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India's nuclear arsenal failed by 'dud' missiles

EzioAltaïr;3374407 said:
As far as I remember, other members have been throught this with you guys. Point 5353, is on the LOC. India had no intention to take it.

We all know what happens when India truly wants the Points as seen with Points 5140, 5100, 4700, 4750, 4850, Junction Peak, and Three Pimples. And let's assume, that Point 5353 is actually as important as media says it is, was it actually worth 800-4000 lives? One point for all the efforts?

So if its on the LOC still why we should allow pak to occupy?

Have you read the frontline article which i posted? Its having more info and saying that it wasnt "On" the loc, in fact it was inside Indian side of LOC
 
So if its on the LOC still why we should allow pak to occupy?

Have you read the frontline article which i posted? Its having more info and saying that it wasnt "On" the loc, in fact it was inside Indian side of LOC

*Facepalm*

Thanks to Pakistan's actions, we were widely seen as the defender. Turning around and counter-attacking a peak that had not been in our control for over 50 years, would mean violating the LoC. What we did actually played a part in preventing international support for Pakistan, otherwise, Pakistan could portray us as the aggressor, and gain support.

And about the article, another poster elaborated this issue a year or 2 ago. Thanks to glacial movements, the LoC moves, so sometimes, the peak is on our side of the LoC, but most of the time it's on the LoC, and occasionally in the Pakistani side. Pakistan would have got another way to portray us as the aggressor in the issue, so it's good we didn't take it.
 
Not at all surprising from a country filled with xenophobic hindutva extremist who can not even count 1 to 100 while claiming that they "invented" 0. At least we should applaud them as they managed paint missile with saffron colors.
 
Not at all surprising from a country filled with xenophobic hindutva extremist who can not even count 1 to 100 while claiming that they "invented" 0. At least we should applaud them as they managed paint missile with saffron colors.

Are you a moron, taking your foul mouthed dumps on all threads. What a hateful product of indoctrination.
 
Not at all surprising from a country filled with xenophobic hindutva extremist who can not even count 1 to 100 while claiming that they "invented" 0. At least we should applaud them as they managed paint missile with saffron colors.
I can see that ur madarsa education hasn't done much good for u!!It's not we who claim we invented zero but the World claims that zero was invented in India!!BTW when this claim was made BD was a part of India!!:lol:

However this goes on to show that the Eastern and western neighbors are pretty insecure about India's rise.I bet that most people who are commenting on the Kargil incident here haven't ever been to the place.Cause had they seen how difficult it was or the IA to recapture those features at such low temperatures and hostile geography their fear of India would have known no bound's and crapping pants would have been a public phenomenon in BD!!!
 
I can see that ur madarsa education hasn't done much good for u!!It's not we who claim we invented zero but the World claims that zero was invented in India!!BTW when this claim was made BD was a part of India!!:lol:

Just a correction !

Indians didn't invent "0" , the concept zero existed in other civilizations like Mayan and Chinese, Greek.

However Mathematical properties of 0 i.e 0+0 = 0, 0*0 = 0 etc were defined by an ancient Indian Mathematician, which allowed proper usage of 0 in Maths.

Of course, the Jamati poont cannot be expected to comprehend all of this.
 
Not at all surprising from a country filled with xenophobic hindutva extremist who can not even count 1 to 100 while claiming that they "invented" 0. At least we should applaud them as they managed paint missile with saffron colors.


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Not at all surprising from a country filled with xenophobic hindutva extremist who can not even count 1 to 100 while claiming that they "invented" 0. At least we should applaud them as they managed paint missile with saffron colors.


Yes we invented '0' and we are proud of it.

You and your county shameless bunch of looser with '0' contribution to humanity :rofl::rofl:

Even your national anthem was written by an Indian. :lol:
 
Are you a moron, taking your foul mouthed dumps on all threads. What a hateful product of indoctrination.


He was denied visa to vist indian dental clinic due flooding of consulate with skunk level smell.....ever since he is been like this .......now dreams of hopping over to india by being a rubberman.....thats why he has put a japanese manga character as avatar..........
 
Indian nukes and missiles are no more indigenous than Pak nukes and missiles missiles.

APJ Abul Kalam is credited with designing India's first satellite launcher SLV3. Its design is virtually identical to the American Scout rocket used in the 1960s. According to the details published in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, Abul Kalam spent four months in training in the United States in 1963-1964. He visited NASA's Langley Research Center in Virginia, where the U.S. Scout rocket was conceived, and the Wallops Island Flight Center on the Virginia coast, where the Scout was being flown. Soon after Abul Kalam's visit, India requested and received detailed technical reports on the Scout's design, which was unclassified.

US Scout and India's SLV3 are both 23 meters long, use four similar solid-fuel stages and "open loop" guidance, and lift a 40-kilogram payload into low earth orbit. The SLV's 30-foot first stage later became the first stage of the Agni.

The United States was followed by others. Between 1963 and 1975, more than 350 U.S., French, Soviet, and British sounding rockets were launched from India's Thumba Range, which the United States helped design. Thumba's first group of Indian engineers had learned rocket launching and range operation in the United States.

India's other missile, the "Prithvi" (earth), which uses a liquid-propelled motor to carry a one-ton payload 150 miles, resembles the widely sold Soviet Scud-B. Indian sources say that the Agni's second stage is a shortened version of the Prithvi, according to Gary Milhollin of the Wisconsin Project.

India's nuclear program would not have advanced without a lot of help from Canadians that resulted in Indian copies of Canadian reactors to produce plutonium for its nuclear bombs.

India conducted its first atomic bomb test in 1974. Indians used 40 MW Canadian Cirus reactor and U.S. heavy water both imported under guarantees of peaceful use and used them openly to make plutonium for its 1974 nuclear blast.

In 1972, Canadian-built 100 MWe Rajasthan-1 nuclear power reactor became operational, serving as the model for later unsafeguarded reactors. Another Rajasthan unit started operating in 1980 and two units in 2000. In 1983, India's 170 MW Madras-1, a copy of Canadian Rajhastan-1 reactor, became operational. A second Madras unit followed in 1985. According to the Risk Report Volume 11 Number 6 (November-December 2005), the heavy water and other advanced materials and equipment for these plants were smuggled to India from a number of countries, including the USSR, China and Norway, according to The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists. Some of the firms, such as West German firm Degussa, were caught and fined by the United States for re-exporting to India 95 kg of U.S.-origin beryllium, usable as a neutron reflector in fission bombs.

Haq's Musings: India's "Indigenous" Copies of Foreign Nukes, Missiles

The ritualitic Haq Musings of posting garbage from Wisconsin project again. :rofl:

The same website which claimed Iraq had Weapons of mass destrution :lol:
 
Why India declares its Missile test in Advance??

Reason: Tere Keh k lege.....

just couldnt resist :P
 
The ritualitic Haq Musings of posting garbage from Wisconsin project again. :rofl:

The same website which claimed Iraq had Weapons of mass destrution :lol:


Haq's musing is fountain of great knowledge that flowout only when hak's moosings occur..............But since thay all happened loon loong time ago....present reviews will be based old data........please cooperate :flame:




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APJ Abul Kalam is credited with designing India's first satellite launcher SLV3. Its design is virtually identical to the American Scout rocket used in the 1960s. According to the details published in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, Abul Kalam spent four months in training in the United States in 1963-1964. He visited NASA's Langley Research Center in Virginia, where the U.S. Scout rocket was conceived, and the Wallops Island Flight Center on the Virginia coast, where the Scout was being flown. Soon after Abul Kalam's visit, India requested and received detailed technical reports on the Scout's design, which was unclassified.
mr engineer,
techical reports =! blue prints.... they have been transfered to many european countries......why havent they developed any SLVs???


US Scout and India's SLV3 are both 23 meters long, use four similar solid-fuel stages and "open loop" guidance, and lift a 40-kilogram payload into low earth orbit. The SLV's 30-foot first stage later became the first stage of the Agni.

To allege that India's SLV-3 is "an exact copy of the Scout,"(2) implies that every system was merely assembled and integrated from a detailed design of the Scout. We must recall that the design specifications for any rockets runs into thousands of pages. There is no evidence that any such blueprints were transferred, or copied by Indian engineers. Unclassified technical reports on the Scout are acknowledged to be transferred, but not actual blueprints(1). The designs of the Scout, and the rocket itself has been transferred to other European nations, which have not gone on to develop the launch capability that India has developed.

Is it even honest to assert that the SLV-3 was derived from the Scout? India's Space Research Organization's (ISRO) SLV-3 was designed to fulfill the same role as the Scout (i.e., put small satellites in Low Earth Orbit). It is therefore not surprising that there is superficial similarity in their shapes. However, it requires significant evidence to jump from this superficial similarity to the claim that "its design is virtually identical to the Scout's." It is necessary to re-emphasize that rockets are highly complex systems, and to compare two rockets by their external appearance is highly dubious.

Even a slightly deeper analysis will indicate that the SLV-3 rocket stages have a different diameters, and different L/D ratios. The various Scout stages were culled together from an inventory of military rocket motors and consequently used a variety of solid fuels including polyurethane. The SLV-3 used hydroxyl terminated poly butadiene (HTPB) in all its stages (4). The second stage of the Scout used the Castor stage. The Castor motor used HTPB as the solid fuel. Significantly, the Castor used a different oxidiser with the Castor stage using acrylic acid (5), whereas the SLV-3 used red fuming nitric acid (RFNA) (4). It is unsurprising then, that propellant weights were also different. The information about the fuels is key, given the relatively short spectrum of solid fuel chemicals. The thrusts and burn times of the different stages are all different. Moreover, the SLV-3's payload is considerably lighter and its fairing is shaped differently. Additionally, the SLV-3 was the first rocket to use proportional control for its first stage control systems with a sharing logic software (6). Given the extent and depth of difference, it is clear that the SLV-3 is neither a "copy" nor "derivative" of the Scout. It is worth recalling the words of a far more technically astute person, Werner Von Braun: "If you want to do anything in rocketry, do it by yourself. SLV is a genuine Indian design." (4)

The United States was followed by others. Between 1963 and 1975, more than 350 U.S., French, Soviet, and British sounding rockets were launched from India's Thumba Range, which the United States helped design. Thumba's first group of Indian engineers had learned rocket launching and range operation in the United States.

So???
Where did Abdus salam did his research???
at london...
so UK have the entire credit:wave:
 
The most authoritative non-governmental assessment of world nuclear forces has revealed that India's nuclear capabilities are seriously lagging behind those of its putative adversaries, Pakistan and China.
The evaluation by Hans M. Kristensen and Robert S. Norris in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists called 'Indian nuclear forces, 2012', reveals that for New Delhi, the principal means of weapons delivery remains fixed-wing aircraft like the Mirage-2000 and the Jaguar.
Unlike Pakistan and China which have substantial deployed missile arsenals, India's missile force is lagging, despite the test-launch of the Agni V in 2012.


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According to him, 'The Agni I is operational and tested, and Agni II and III are almost there and all three can be used if necessary.' According to him, the lack of authoritative information on India's capability 'is part of our posture of ambiguity' on matters nuclear. But Admiral Arun Prakash, former navy chief and chairman Chiefs of Staff Committee, has another view.
'We have to rely on the word of our DRDO/DAE scientists as far as performance, reliability, accuracy and yield of missiles and nuclear warheads are concerned. Unfortunately, hyperbolic claims coupled with dissonance within the ranks of our scientists have eroded their credibility,' he said.
As of now, according to the Bulletin, 'we estimate that India has produced 80-100 nuclear warheads'. In the case of Pakistan, whose evaluation was done in 2011, the Bulletin analysis has said that 'it has the world's fastest-growing nuclear stockpile', estimating that Pakistan 'has 90-110 nuclear weapons'.
The Pakistani arsenal, too, consists of mainly aircraft-dropped bombs, but with its Chinese-supplied missiles, it has a deployed arsenal of missiles like the Ghaznavi, Shaheen I and Ghauri and is developing longer-range missiles. Significantly, Pakistan's India specific arsenal comprises of the Nasr short-range (70 km) ballistic missile, which can use nuclear weapons to take out troop formations and Pakistan is in the advanced stage of developing two cruise missiles - the Babur and the Raad.


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If this is dismaying for New Delhi, the comparison with China is positively alarming. Beijing has an arsenal of 240 or so warheads and it is adding to this number, though not at the pace Pakistan is.
Its nuclear weapons are primarily delivered through a mature missile arsenal with ranges from 2,000-11,000 km. A large number of Chinese missiles, including their cruise missiles, are primarily for use in nonnuclear conventional battle role. Raghavan acknowledges that 'China is a different kettle of fish', but he says even so, with the Agni V test, 'India's progress has been commendable'.
But the really big difference between India and China arises from the fact that India's thermonuclear weapon capability is suspect.
A Mail Today report (August 27, 2009) had cited K. Santhanam, the DRDO scientist who ran the country's nuclear programme at the time of the Pokhran tests, to say that the single thermonuclear test carried out at the time was a 'fizzle'. Responsibility for this state of affairs rests with the government.
According to Admiral Prakash, 'India's National Command Authority (NCA) not only meets infrequently, but is loath to take decisions when it does. This has an adverse impact on decision-making, financial approvals and production-rate of missiles/warheads'.
He says that the management of our deterrent 'by a sub-optimal troika consisting of scientists (in the driving seat), bureaucrats and soldiers' is also a debilitating factor.



India's nuclear arsenal failed by 'dud' missiles | Mail Online
It's okay because india has the most advanced missile defense shield in the world (PAD) and hypersonic missiles (brahmos 2) too according to DRDO. :lol:
 
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