India's Missile Defenses Can Now Take On Decoys. That's a Really Big Deal

[LeGenD]

yeah and what happened afterwards? THIS...

nikki haley and trump's buk buk was just face saving in front of the nation dude...come on. I live here and I've seen how even americans rolled eyes at how they would "destroy" north korea, even americans didn't buy that load a horse manure.

Where you choose to live, doesn't prove anything. I live in Pakistan, and I have greater knowledge of this stuff than you for instance. Exposure and research is important.

Yes, that happened because Kim Jong-Un wrote a letter to Donald Trump and expressed his willingness to negotiate. Trump accepted, and this was a mature decision on his part. Why not negotiate your way out of a crisis if you have the choice? Millions of lives were a stake in the Korean peninsula otherwise.

Another revelation for you:

When the mysterious SBX-1 was deployed very close to North Korea in 2016, scores of North Korean ballistic missiles somehow failed to work. This wasn't a coincidence. Smart observers got the memo. An American researcher tracks this device and exploits across the Pacific, and believes that it is a weapon of mass destruction.

and making ballistic missiles change trajectories isn't rocket science...it's been done to as a measure to defeat interception, not rocket science (no pun intended).

This argument sound good in theory but reality is more complex.

A ballistic missile will release an RV during the midcourse phase of its flight, and the RV is [always] programmed to strike a particular target in advance. In order to fulfill this mission with a high level of accuracy, the RV might feature 'course-correction' capabilities (maneuvering part). The RV will steer towards its intended target which could be point X and not point Y (MaRV). However, an RV doesn't know whether an EKV is in its path or not.

The sensor architecture of an advanced BMDS is able to calculate several points of intercept for the incoming RV and release a highly maneuverable EKV before it is too late. The EKV rely on its fantastic speed and homing guidance to achieve a lock on the incoming EKV and steer in its direction. GMD EKV can accelerate to MACH 26 in this role.

 

[GumNaam]

Where you choose to live, doesn't prove anything. I live in Pakistan, and I have greater knowledge of this stuff than you for instance. Exposure and research is important.

Yes, that happened because Kim Jong-Un wrote a letter to Donald Trump and expressed his willingness to negotiate. Trump accepted, and this

Where you choose to live, doesn't prove anything. I live in Pakistan, and I have greater knowledge of this stuff than you for instance. Exposure and research is important.

Yes, that happened because Kim Jong-Un wrote a letter to Donald Trump and expressed his willingness to negotiate. Trump accepted, and this was a mature decision on his part. Why not negotiate your way out of a crisis if you have the choice? Millions of lives were a stake in the Korean peninsula otherwise.

Another revelation for you:

When the mysterious SBX-1 was deployed very close to North Korea in 2016, scores of North Korean ballistic missiles somehow failed to work. This wasn't a coincidence. Smart observers got the memo. An American researcher tracks this device and exploits across the Pacific, and believes that it is a weapon of mass destruction.


This argument sound good in theory but reality is more complex.

A ballistic missile will release an RV during the midcourse phase of its flight, and the RV is [always] programmed to strike a particular target in advance. In order to fulfill this mission with a high level of accuracy, the RV might feature 'course-correction' capabilities (maneuvering part). The RV will steer towards its intended target which could be point X and not point Y (MaRV). However, an RV doesn't know whether an EKV is in its path or not.

The sensor architecture of an advanced BMDS is able to calculate several points of intercept for the incoming RV and release a highly maneuverable EKV before it is too late. The EKV rely on its fantastic speed and homing guidance to achieve a lock on the incoming EKV and steer in its direction. GMD EKV can accelerate to MACH 26 in this role.

oh raynday yar, you know as well as I do that the only REAL against nuclear missiles is ANOTHER nuclear missile. yeh sab thaad shaad vaad, they're primarily there to sell a false sense of security at a very expensive price.

 

[LeGenD]

oh raynday yar, you know as well as I do that the only REAL against nuclear missiles is ANOTHER nuclear missile. yeh sab thaad shaad vaad, they're primarily there to sell a false sense of security at a very expensive price.

Bro,

An analogy for you. Have a look at the defenses against hostile aircraft.

Anti-Aircraft gun:-

Flak gun:-

MANPADS:-

Missiles:-

Aforementioned products vary in sophistication, range, engagement logic and effectiveness but the desired outcome is same (i.e. to shoot down a hostile aircraft). However, these defenses were not conceived at the same time; they evolved over time with relevant scientific research, to defeat increasingly sophisticated combat aircraft.

Incredibly powerful and sophisticated products are emerging in this era to shoot down increasingly sophisticated hostile aircraft at extreme altitudes and from vast distances. For example:-

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EMPHASIS MINE. The story of defenses against external threats such as ballistic missiles and cruise missiles is similar.

It is better to establish defenses against ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, and not worry about 100% probability of intercept. Something is better than nothing.

Pakistan should look forward to procure Chinese HQ-9 systems to defend high value assets/locations in the light of advances in Indian BMD programs. This move will give India second thoughts too.

 

[GumNaam]

Bro,

An analogy for you. Have a look at the defenses against hostile aircraft.

Anti-Aircraft gun:-

Flak gun:-

MANPADS:-

Missiles:-

Aforementioned products vary in sophistication, range, engagement logic and effectiveness but the desired outcome is same (i.e. to shoot down a hostile aircraft). However, these defenses were not conceived at the same time; they evolved over time with relevant scientific research, to defeat increasingly sophisticated combat aircraft.

Incredibly powerful and sophisticated products are emerging in this era to shoot down increasingly sophisticated hostile aircraft at extreme altitudes and from vast distances. For example:-

---

EMPHASIS MINE. The story of defenses against external threats such as ballistic missiles and cruise missiles is similar.

It is better to establish defenses against ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, and not worry about 100% probability of intercept. Something is better than nothing.

Pakistan should look forward to procure Chinese HQ-9 systems to defend high value assets/locations in the light of advances in Indian BMD programs. This move will give India second thoughts too.

yar all these are effective against aircrafts...not a 4ft tall warhead.

 

[LeGenD]

yar all these are effective against aircrafts...not a 4ft tall warhead.

Mery bhai, aap mera point miss karr gae.

"The story of defenses against external threats such as ballistic missiles and cruise missiles is similar.

It is better to establish defenses against ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, and not worry about 100% probability of intercept. Something is better than nothing."

Baat ko samjho.

 

[GumNaam]

Mery bhai, aap mera point miss karr gae.

"The story of defenses against external threats such as ballistic missiles and cruise missiles is similar.

It is better to establish defenses against ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, and not worry about 100% probability of intercept. Something is better than nothing."

Baat ko samjho.

well yeah, something is better than nothing, definitely. Agree there, it's like having a last ditch effort, hoping something would stop. But to think that they are protected from ballistic missiles is fatally flawed. With 10 incoming warheads, 8 or 9 are still sure to hit if an interception is successful while 8 or 8 interceptor missiles are sure miss with 1 or 2 being successful.

 

[LeGenD]

well yeah, something is better than nothing, definitely. Agree there, it's like having a last ditch effort, hoping something would stop. But to think that they are protected from ballistic missiles is fatally flawed. With 10 incoming warheads, 8 or 9 are still sure to hit if an interception is successful while 8 or 8 interceptor missiles are sure miss with 1 or 2 being successful.

This is your assumption, and not grounded in reality.

Those who are developing countermeasures against ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, are not idiots. They understand these threats very well and have figured out ways to defeat them. Although nothing is infallible, defenses against ballistic and cruise missiles will only improve over time.

 

[Mrc]

Ok guys... ballistic missiles defence can work against an incredibly incompetent enemy who preferably does not have nukes ...

Against a remotely competent nuclear power ... u introduce uncertainty... which means that your cities which were supposed to be hit by one nuclear missile will now have 5 may be 10 coming at them ... even you are intercepting like half of them ... u are still 5 times worst off than u were without a defence ...

Meaning other side will keep going up on numbers and if you would have 30 percent of your population killed in an exchange before ... now you will be looking at a wipeout...

That's how USA and USSR went into 1000s of nukes... and that's what India and pk will get by pursuing these defences


I personally am against waisting money on these defences unless u can have tech with 100 percent success rate .... which does not exist at moment ... may be in future...

 

[GumNaam]

This is your assumption, and not grounded in reality.

Those who are developing countermeasures against ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, are not idiots. They understand these threats very well and have figured out ways to defeat them. Although nothing is infallible, defenses against ballistic and cruise missiles will only improve over time.

Yeah then how come the S400 has failed to intercept a single missile over Syria? Three same question for thaad and aegis over the Korean peninsula. They ALL say that it was on purpose but let's face the ground reality, they would NOT take the risk based on even calculated assumptions. They just won't. The fact is that they couldn't. The ones designing these interceptors may know what they are doing, well so do the ones who are designing the ballistic missiles and warheads. The only success story is the patriot and that too, against the late 50s scud design, not the 21st century ballistic missile designs.

Going around in circles....you are saying that they can while I'm saying it's being marketed as a false sense of security to the rich and insecure...the american tax payer included.

 

[aman_rai0007]

Indian tejas has been taking down stealth planes for 5 decades.... no big deal

Have a look at 1st comment on the thread by a senior member only to derail the thread....
And there are 15 a$$holes who are thanking it... Typical example of Pakistani mentality

Naah mate, you have to check again..India had vedic spaceships travelling in the interstellar space, internet, mobile phones around 10000 BC. So definitely they had stealth airplanes for at least a 1000 years..

Yes, shooting your roohani takat 1400 years old junk fighter... Go and troll somewhere else...

Stick to topic TROLL !
I know you Indians come here to troll only .. garbage toiletless nation !

Look at above and tell me who started the trolling

no of course not. they will all take off their dhotties and bend over pointing there bungholes towards the missile hoping to get the horns of the incoming gow-mata's blessings in them first!

Just like you do seeing a goat

unfortunately (for them), they can't shoot down a small mirv coming in at 10 times the speed of sound.

You yourself mentioned the speed as 18 Mach in previous posts and now you are changing it to 10 Mach...
Clearly you are here just to troll

 

[LeGenD]

Yeah then how come the S400 has failed to intercept a single missile over Syria? Three same question for thaad and aegis over the Korean peninsula. They ALL say that it was on purpose but let's face the ground reality, they would NOT take the risk based on even calculated assumptions. They just won't. The fact is that they couldn't. The ones designing these interceptors may know what they are doing, well so do the ones who are designing the ballistic missiles and warheads. The only success story is the patriot and that too, against the late 50s scud design, not the 21st century ballistic missile designs.

Going around in circles....you are saying that they can while I'm saying it's being marketed as a false sense of security to the rich and insecure...the american tax payer included.

Bro,

Do you think that all countries are at par in terms of economy, investment in R&D*, military capability, education and scientific output?

*FYI: http://uis.unesco.org/apps/visualisations/research-and-development-spending/

Russia, on its own, is like a 3rd world country in relation to the US in all fronts. Russia is powerful because it inherited a significant share of defenses and resources of USSR (defunct); other states were not as lucky.

I have yet to see evidence of S-400 system intercepting a ballistic missile and/or cruise missile in any video I have come across so far.

In sharp contrast, you can actually see THAAD defeating ballistic missiles in complex tests:-

That is how we assess the credibility of a system. American MDS are the best in the world, and work.

B/W China strongly oppose deployment of a THAAD battery in South Korea; China have imposed sanctions on South Korea for this deployment.

 

[GumNaam]

Bro,

Do you think that all countries are at par in terms of economy, investment in R&D*, military capability, education and scientific output?

*FYI: http://uis.unesco.org/apps/visualisations/research-and-development-spending/

Russia, on its own, is like a 3rd world country in relation to the US in all fronts. Russia is powerful because it inherited a significant share of defenses and resources of USSR (defunct); other states were not as lucky.

I have yet to see evidence of S-400 system intercepting a ballistic missile and/or cruise missile in any video I have come across so far.

In sharp contrast, you can actually see THAAD defeating ballistic missiles in complex tests:-

That is how we assess the credibility of a system. American MDS are the best in the world, and work.

B/W China strongly oppose deployment of a THAAD battery in South Korea; China have imposed sanctions on South Korea for this deployment.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/11051426

Bhai meray, it is more a tool of making money by providing a false sense of security than an actual interceptor. I'm sure it can make SOME interceptions if the icbm missile flying from continent to continent but it largely is a tool of making money by providing a false sense of security. Kinda like that drug truvada that promises to prevent hiv infection, it just provides a very expensive false sense of security.

 

[Mrc]

Have a look at 1st comment on the thread by a senior member only to derail the thread....
And there are 15 a$$holes who are thanking it... Typical example of Pakistani mentality

U guys have shittiest record in world for weapons development and claims come out of all holes day and night .... that's what's that comment was about

 

[aman_rai0007]

U guys have shittiest record in world for weapons development and claims come out of all holes day and night .... that's what's that comment was about

Same thing people used to say about ISRO...
Slowly but surely we are achieving the goals and objectives... And you are here just to troll and to derail the thread... That's all you have got

 

[zip]

were right next to you and have 150+ warheads with multiple and varied delivery vehicles

You aint stoppin much, thats a guarantee

But after first missile attack you too will be at receiving end which will drastically reduce your attacking capability if you don't develop BMD .