India's liberal heart: Citizenship for Hindu refugees quadruples under Modi

[Jackdaws]

You can take them in UK Your country.Bharat is for Dharmics. Shias have Iran,Kurdistan and other islamic countries similarly Ahmedis and rohingyas have more than 55+ islamic countries to chose from,where they want to migrate to.

Umm. No. India should be the homeland for all persecuted Indic people who are part of the Indic civilization; irrespective of their religion. And the Indic civilization extends from the Pak-Iran border right up to Cambodia.

 

[Bitter Melon]

We have given citizenship to thousands of rohingya Muslims complete with voters id, aadhar and all

Not a good thing at all. These guys are trouble. You may as well given citizenship to Somali warlords.

Also can you imagine how the 2 nation theory would be buried even further when Shia Muslims from Pakistan start applying to the Indian High Commission for refuge?

Yeah right, we need 40 million more Muslims in India considering Shias are 25% of Pakistan's population. We should also import all Muslim warlords from every war torn country in the world to satiate you need of self-glorification and secularism.

Shias can be given transit. From here to Iran perhaps. But no permanent residency.
Jinnah saab was Shia too.

It was Shias and Ahemadiyya's who were the most vociferous supporters of Partition. To date they are extremely bigoted communities in India too.

The secular assholes will cry their heart out if a Sadhvi asks Hindus to have more children. They will cry out in alarm oh we do not have resources to support such population explosion and then right there they turn and make a case for how Bangaldeshies should be allowed to work in India and how India should open up its door for all the Muslims of the subcontinent.

 

[wolfschanzze]

Umm. No. India should be the homeland for all persecuted Indic people who are part of the Indic civilization; irrespective of their religion. And the Indic civilization extends from the Pak-Iran border right up to Cambodia.

Nope.Bharat is the homeland of Sanatana Dharmics,Non-dharmics fought with us because they couldnt live with us so we gave them Pakistan and Bangladesh.They chose to be that way, why should we give them asylum?They have more than 55+islamic countries to migrate to.Dharmics only have Bharat.Why do they want to come here again?they wanted to live in the land of pure.
They are not part of the Indic Civilization anymore, they chose to depart from that path long time ago only people like you believe they are still Indic related.
Sorry Non-Dharmics have no place in Bharat.You can cry as much as you want.The BJP Manifesto is clear it says they will provide Asylum to persecuted (Dharmic groups) Not Non-Dharmics.
BJP doesnt suffer your Minority appeasement agenda.Don't like it here,go to any country in the world.

 

[coffee_cup]

LMAO @ the heading!


India giving refuge to terrorists such as LTTE is now something to be proud of, WOW!

 

[Jackdaws]

Nope.Bharat is the homeland of Sanatana Dharmics,Non-dharmics fought with us because they couldnt live with us so we gave them Pakistan and Bangladesh.They chose to be that way, why should we give them asylum?They have more than 55+islamic countries to migrate to.Dharmics only have Bharat.Why do they want to come here again?they wanted to live in the land of pure.
They are not part of the Indic Civilization anymore, they chose to depart from that path long time ago only people like you believe they are still Indic related.
Sorry Non-Dharmics have no place in Bharat.You can cry as much as you want.The BJP Manifesto is clear it says they will provide Asylum to persecuted (Dharmic groups) Not Non-Dharmics.
BJP doesnt suffer your Minority appeasement agenda.Don't like it here,go to any country in the world.

Yawn. Thanks for the tirade. Even if you want, you can't change anthropology. Of course they are a part of the Indic civilization - get an education. And who are you to even suggest I should go to another country? If you can't live with the Indian tradition of pluralism and dialogue - you are the one who should leave. You are so daft, you can't even distinguish between minority appeasement and international conventions related to granting of refugee status. And please point me to the section in the manifesto where the BJP says it will provide asylum ONLY to Dharmic Groups and Specifically NOT to Non-Dharmics.

Neither do you know anything about the BJP, nor do you know anything about India. And you certainly have zero knowledge about international conventions on refugees. So if you do go out of India - just do us all a favor and don't identify yourself as an Indian - you will embarrass all of us. Unless you are accompanied by an adult who can vouch for your mentally challenged state.

Not a good thing at all. These guys are trouble. You may as well given citizenship to Somali warlords.



Yeah right, we need 40 million more Muslims in India considering Shias are 25% of Pakistan's population. We should also import all Muslim warlords from every war torn country in the world to satiate you need of self-glorification and secularism.



It was Shias and Ahemadiyya's who were the most vociferous supporters of Partition. To date they are extremely bigoted communities in India too.

The secular assholes will cry their heart out if a Sadhvi asks Hindus to have more children. They will cry out in alarm oh we do not have resources to support such population explosion and then right there they turn and make a case for how Bangaldeshies should be allowed to work in India and how India should open up its door for all the Muslims of the subcontinent.

Nope - Of course don't give ALL of them refuge. No one does. Let them apply for refuge as persecuted minorities. There is a massive difference between the two. India should cap refugees at a reasonable number on a yearly basis - but give it to ALL persecuted minorities in the subcontinent. Also make sure, those really are persecuted minorities - not economic migrants.

 

[wolfschanzze]

Yawn. Thanks for the tirade. Even if you want, you can't change anthropology. Of course they are a part of the Indic civilization - get an education. And who are you to even suggest I should go to another country? If you can't live with the Indian tradition of pluralism and dialogue - you are the one who should leave. You are so daft, you can't even distinguish between minority appeasement and international conventions related to granting of refugee status. And please point me to the section in the manifesto where the BJP says it will provide asylum ONLY to Dharmic Groups and Specifically NOT to Non-Dharmics.

Neither do you know anything about the BJP, nor do you know anything about India. And you certainly have zero knowledge about international conventions on refugees. So if you do go out of India - just do us all a favor and don't identify yourself as an Indian - you will embarrass all of us. Unless you are accompanied by an adult who can vouch for your mentally challenged state.

LoL, we are giving asylum only to hindus not every foreigner in Asia.
No refugee status for non-dharmics that was made clear in BJP manifesto and they have the power to grant asylum or citizenship now.Sri Lanka,Australia,Malaysia and other nations refuse to grant refugee status to illegal immigrants.Infact australia sends those boats back to Their homelands or temporary stay in Islands near East Timor etc. Many boats sink and many die on the way back.Does Australia care no it does not.
Do read the BJP manifesto released before the 2014 ELECTIONS. It says give asylum and citizenship to Persecuted hindus.
i have travelled all across the globe only fools like you vouch for Multiculturalism,Pluralism and what not, when all over the world especially the so called Liberal EU countries it is failing and they are pushing back Immigrants they want only whites and Christians in their nation.
Like i said cry as much as you want,BJP will grant asylum to Hindus, not Ahmediyya,sufis etc.They fought and supported vociferously for the creation of Pakistan, now let them deal with it.As for Dharmics our policy is clear.
http://bjpelectionmanifesto.com/pdf/manifesto2014.pdf
Read page 40 bottom of BJP manifesto
where it says
India shall remain a natural home for persecuted Hindus and they shall be welcome to seek refuge
Of Hindus and Indians: Modi's refugee stumble on Times Now - Firstpost
A moderate BJP? - Livemint

 

[Bitter Melon]

Nope - Of course don't give ALL of them refuge. No one does. Let them apply for refuge as persecuted minorities. There is a massive difference between the two. India should cap refugees at a reasonable number on a yearly basis - but give it to ALL persecuted minorities in the subcontinent. Also make sure, those really are persecuted minorities - not economic migrants.

Aren't all Shias and Ahmadiya persecuted in Pakistan? Is it not a fact that only Shia and Ahmadiya mosques are being bombed? How will you differentiate between persecuted and economic migrants?

You are so daft, you can't even distinguish between minority appeasement and international conventions related to granting of refugee status.

We are not signatory of this convention. Also considering we gave them land based on their own demand for their religion, it would be gross injustice to Indian Hindus to give refuge to Muslims of the subcontinent. I as a Hindu would demand a separate country from a secular India if India was to go far enough in this nonsense.

 

[Jackdaws]

LoL, we are giving asylum only to hindus not every foreigner in Asia.
No refugee status for non-dharmicsthat was made clear in BJP manifesto and they have the power to grant asylum or citizenship now.Sri Lanka,Australia,Malaysia and other nations refuse to grant refugee status to illegal immigrants.Infact australia sends those boats back to Their homelands or temporary stay in Islands near East Timor etc. Many boats sink and many die on the way back.Does Australia care no it does not.
Do read the BJP manifesto released before the 2014 ELECTIONS. It says give asylum and citizenship to Persecuted hindus.
Idiot, i have travelled all across the globe only fools like you vouch for Multiculturalism,Pluralism and what not, when all over the world especially the so called Liberal EU countries it is failing and they are pushing back Immigrants they want only whites and Christians in their nation.
Like i said cry as much as you want,BJP will grant asylum to Hindus, not Ahmediyya,sufis etc.They fought and supported vociferously for the creation of Pakistan, now let them deal with it.As for Dharmics our policy is clear.

As I said, if you can - point me to this so-called "clear" stance of the BJP in its manifesto - where it will NOT give refuge to persecuted minorities of the non-Dharmic faith. You fool - no one is discussing illegal immigrants. Do you know the difference between illegal immigrants and refugees?

You serve just one purpose for the BJP - you are a sure shot voter. A bit like a member of the Ku Klux Klan will vote for the Republican party - so while you serve your purpose - you are just a laughing stock which no one in the BJP will even remotely take seriously. Retard.

Aren't all Shias and Ahmadiya persecuted in Pakistan? Is it not a fact that only Shia and Ahmadiya mosques are being bombed? How will you differentiate between persecuted and economic migrants?



We are not signatory of this convention. Also considering we gave them land based on their own demand for their religion, it would be gross injustice to Indian Hindus to give refuge to Muslims of the subcontinent. I as a Hindu would demand a separate country from a secular India if India was to go far enough in this nonsense.

You are basing your assumption on - a. That every one of them will apply. b. We will grant refuge to every one of them.

If you think about it - it is just great PR and exposes a lot in Pakistan. Perhaps you remember the pictures in NY Times of Indian Muslim soldiers praying for the Pakistani dead soldiers in Kargil?

It is merely a matter of principle - give it to 500 people of the Non-Dharmic fate. What does it matter? That's probably about 100 families / year. No need to advertise this - just say - all religious minorities, if they feel they are persecuted can apply to the closest High Commission or Deputy High Commission for refuge.

LoL, we are giving asylum only to hindus not every foreigner in Asia.
No refugee status for non-dharmics that was made clear in BJP manifesto and they have the power to grant asylum or citizenship now.Sri Lanka,Australia,Malaysia and other nations refuse to grant refugee status to illegal immigrants.Infact australia sends those boats back to Their homelands or temporary stay in Islands near East Timor etc. Many boats sink and many die on the way back.Does Australia care no it does not.
Do read the BJP manifesto released before the 2014 ELECTIONS. It says give asylum and citizenship to Persecuted hindus.
i have travelled all across the globe only fools like you vouch for Multiculturalism,Pluralism and what not, when all over the world especially the so called Liberal EU countries it is failing and they are pushing back Immigrants they want only whites and Christians in their nation.
Like i said cry as much as you want,BJP will grant asylum to Hindus, not Ahmediyya,sufis etc.They fought and supported vociferously for the creation of Pakistan, now let them deal with it.As for Dharmics our policy is clear.
http://bjpelectionmanifesto.com/pdf/manifesto2014.pdf
Read page 40 bottom of BJP manifesto
where it says
India shall remain a natural home for persecuted Hindus and they shall be welcome to seek refuge
Of Hindus and Indians: Modi's refugee stumble on Times Now - Firstpost
A moderate BJP? - Livemint

Retard, perhaps you don't understand English. You specifically said "ONLY" to Dharmic faiths - in your own words before you edit them - "The BJP Manifesto is clear it says they will provide Asylum to persecuted (Dharmic groups) Not Non-Dharmics."

I wanted to know where is this clause which specifically denies Asylum to Non-Dharmics? Or is it a figment of your retarded mind?

 

[Skull and Bones]

India should extend helping hands to Yazidis too. They're is a precarious situation.

 

[Bitter Melon]

You are basing your assumption on - a. That every one of them will apply. b. We will grant refuge to every one of them.

Every single one of them will apply given the condition of Pakistan. No one in India would grant a refuge to even a single Pakistani. We made clear on who is to be a citizen of this country when we moved from right of birth to claim citizenship to right of blood. It was made clear a citizen of Pakistan and Bangladesh will never be allowed to be a citizen of India and the same goes for refugee status too.

If you think about it - it is just great PR and exposes a lot in Pakistan. Perhaps you remember the pictures in NY Times of Indian Muslim soldiers praying for the Pakistani dead soldiers in Kargil?

Pakistan has been exposed a lot and no more exposes is required IMHO. Our purpose in forming India was not only to keep exposing Pakistan. We have other purposes to fulfill too regardless of your obsession with exposing Pakistan.

It is merely a matter of principle - give it to 500 people of the Non-Dharmic fate. What does it matter? That's probably about 100 families / year. No need to advertise this - just say - all religious minorities, if they feel they are persecuted can apply to the closest High Commission or Deputy High Commission for refuge.

Nope, a stitch in time saves nine. Likewise an opening allowed for Muslims of Pakistan would in no time open the flood gates. We have lived enough by these bogus principles. Let us try to live pragmatically for once.

 

[wolfschanzze]

As I said, if you can - point me to this so-called "clear" stance of the BJP in its manifesto - where it will NOT give refuge to persecuted minorities of the non-Dharmic faith. You fool - no one is discussing illegal immigrants. Do you know the difference between illegal immigrants and refugees?

You serve just one purpose for the BJP - you are a sure shot voter. A bit like a member of the Ku Klux Klan will vote for the Republican party - so while you serve your purpose - you are just a laughing stock which no one in the BJP will even remotely take seriously. Retard.



You are basing your assumption on - a. That every one of them will apply. b. We will grant refuge to every one of them.

If you think about it - it is just great PR and exposes a lot in Pakistan. Perhaps you remember the pictures in NY Times of Indian Muslim soldiers praying for the Pakistani dead soldiers in Kargil?

It is merely a matter of principle - give it to 500 people of the Non-Dharmic fate. What does it matter? That's probably about 100 families / year. No need to advertise this - just say - all religious minorities, if they feel they are persecuted can apply to the closest High Commission or Deputy High Commission for refuge.

Read my post again
India shall remain a natural home for persecuted Hindus and they shall be welcome to seek refuge
page number 40 at the bottom of the page.
http://bjpelectionmanifesto.com/pdf/manifesto2014.pdf
and it ends the page there, its implied we would welcome Hindus only.If you are so clever you can read the lines and what the intention of that manifesto was.When they were addressing persecuted hindus all over the world and talking about illegal bangladeshis in Bharat,it was made clear by Modi during his speeches in Assam and West Bengal.
i know the difference. between refugees and illegal Immigrants. Both move out of their homecountry for better life and protection etc.
If a illegal Immigrant is caught and is sent to refugees camp issued a card then he become a refugee otherwise they are considered as Aliens until we issue them a UN refugee card.Which we are not signatory to that convention.

It is because of Hindutva core which supported BJP through its lows and been with them for past 10 years when they were down,battered and out of power.BJP knows Hindutva core very well,they can bring down BJP anytime if they want.You are just a passing cloud who nobody in BJP takes notice of.
When Vajpayee and Lk Advani started soft Secularism, their workers and party members on the ground refused to campaign and work for them because they were going against the Hindutva idelogy which is the foundation of BJP and Sangh.
You saw what happened to election results in 2004 and 2008.
That is how effective Hindutva is.
Do tell me does a party give more importance to its core and loyal voter base or some riffraff like you who will jump and change sides at every opportunity?You know the answer i think.
Besides we havent taken a thekedari of protecting all persecuted NON DHARMIC religions.For that there are more than 150 christian countries and 55+ islamic countries.
But only one Bharat for Hindus.
Bharat is for persecuted Hindus.Period.

 

[Jackdaws]

Read my post again
India shall remain a natural home for persecuted Hindus and they shall be welcome to seek refuge
page number 40 at the bottom of the page.
http://bjpelectionmanifesto.com/pdf/manifesto2014.pdf
and it ends the page there, its implied we would welcome Hindus only.If you are so clever you can read the lines and what the intention of that manifesto was.When they were addressing persecuted hindus all over the world and talking about illegal bangladeshis in Bharat,it was made clear by Modi during his speeches in Assam and West Bengal.
i know the difference. between refugees and illegal Immigrants. Both move out of their homecountry for better life and protection etc.
If a illegal Immigrant is caught and is sent to refugees camp issued a card then he become a refugee otherwise they are considered as Aliens until we issue them a UN refugee card.Which we are not signatory to that convention.

It is because of Hindutva core which supported BJP through its lows and been with them for past 10 years when they were down,battered and out of power.BJP knows Hindutva core very well,they can bring down BJP anytime if they want.You are just a passing cloud who nobody in BJP takes notice of.
When Vajpayee and Lk Advani started soft Secularism, their workers and party members on the ground refused to campaign and work for them because they were going against the Hindutva idelogy which is the foundation of BJP and Sangh.
You saw what happened to election results in 2004 and 2008.
That is how effective Hindutva is.
Do tell me does a party give more importance to its core and loyal voter base or some riffraff like you who will jump and change sides at every opportunity?You know the answer i think.

I am still waiting for the clause which as you said denies refuge to Non-Dharmics. It is really a yes or no question - Do you have a manifesto (outside of your mind) where this clause exists?

Clearly, you don't even understand electoral politics. (I can't say I am surprised). You Bajrang Dal types will create impediments rather than solve them. A la Togadia. A national election is decided by the swing voter - not by Trident wielding buffoons. But you have your uses - always nice to have someone shout the loudest at the rally. A bit like a court jester.

Every single one of them will apply given the condition of Pakistan. No one in India would grant a refuge to even a single Pakistani. We made clear on who is to be a citizen of this country when we moved from right of birth to claim citizenship to right of blood. It was made clear a citizen of Pakistan and Bangladesh will never be allowed to be a citizen of India and the same goes for refugee status too.


Pakistan has been exposed a lot and no more exposes is required IMHO. Our purpose in forming India was not only to keep exposing Pakistan. We have other purposes to fulfill too regardless of your obsession with exposing Pakistan.



Nope, a stitch in time saves nine. Likewise an opening allowed for Muslims of Pakistan would in no time open the flood gates. We have lived enough by these bogus principles. Let us try to live pragmatically for once.

You make valid points. I still feel pragmatism dictates that you expose and exploit the fault lines in the enemy camp. We did in '71 as well. The Pakistanis did in the 80's in Khalistan and 90's in Kashmir. Heck, the LTTE tried it after the IPFK fiasco. But let's just agree to disagree.

 

[wolfschanzze]

It is merely a matter of principle - give it to 500 people of the Non-Dharmic fate. What does it matter? That's probably about 100 families / year. No need to advertise this - just say - all religious minorities, if they feel they are persecuted can apply to the closest High Commission or Deputy High Commission for refuge.



Retard, perhaps you don't understand English. You specifically said "ONLY" to Dharmic faiths - in your own words before you edit them - "The BJP Manifesto is clear it says they will provide Asylum to persecuted (Dharmic groups) Not Non-Dharmics."

I wanted to know where is this clause which specifically denies Asylum to Non-Dharmics? Or is it a figment of your retarded mind?

You can argue all you want about the fine PRINT line and Semantics about that manifesto till eternity or the deeper meaning of what Modi said what he said unless you are telepathic and somehow know he doesnt meant what he said,it is generally implied and understood by voters as favouring hindus only.
We already gave a lot of asylum to many Persecuted religions which later came to bite on our ***.No more asylum for non-Dharmics.We haven't taken a contract of protecting all Non-dharmic people and their religions.

Want to ask you one thing,Did you vote for BJP in elections YES OR NO?

 

[Jackdaws]

Read my post again
India shall remain a natural home for persecuted Hindus and they shall be welcome to seek refuge
page number 40 at the bottom of the page.
http://bjpelectionmanifesto.com/pdf/manifesto2014.pdf
and it ends the page there, its implied we would welcome Hindus only.If you are so clever you can read the lines and what the intention of that manifesto was.When they were addressing persecuted hindus all over the world and talking about illegal bangladeshis in Bharat,it was made clear by Modi during his speeches in Assam and West Bengal.
i know the difference. between refugees and illegal Immigrants. Both move out of their homecountry for better life and protection etc.
If a illegal Immigrant is caught and is sent to refugees camp issued a card then he become a refugee otherwise they are considered as Aliens until we issue them a UN refugee card.Which we are not signatory to that convention.

It is because of Hindutva core which supported BJP through its lows and been with them for past 10 years when they were down,battered and out of power.BJP knows Hindutva core very well,they can bring down BJP anytime if they want.You are just a passing cloud who nobody in BJP takes notice of.
When Vajpayee and Lk Advani started soft Secularism, their workers and party members on the ground refused to campaign and work for them because they were going against the Hindutva idelogy which is the foundation of BJP and Sangh.
You saw what happened to election results in 2004 and 2008.
That is how effective Hindutva is.
Do tell me does a party give more importance to its core and loyal voter base or some riffraff like you who will jump and change sides at every opportunity?You know the answer i think.
Besides we havent taken a thekedari of protecting all persecuted NON DHARMIC religions.For that there are more than 150 christian countries and 55+ islamic countries.
But only one Bharat for Hindus.
Bharat is for persecuted Hindus.Period.

LOL - I love bursting you bubble, retard. You know India has been giving refuge since 1959 to non-Hindus? The Tibetans are Buddhists. Do much for your "Bharat is for persecuted Hindus.Period" retarded comment. A lot of Lankan Tamils who were given refuge in India were Christian. There are still Roman Catholic Goans in Karachi who might want refuge. As I said, get an education.

 

[wolfschanzze]

I am still waiting for the clause which as you said denies refuge to Non-Dharmics. It is really a yes or no question - Do you have a manifesto (outside of your mind) where this clause exists?

Clearly, you don't even understand electoral politics. (I can't say I am surprised). You Bajrang Dal types will create impediments rather than solve them. A la Togadia. A national election is decided by the swing voter - not by Trident wielding buffoons. But you have your uses - always nice to have someone shout the loudest at the rally. A bit like a court jester.



You make valid points. I still feel pragmatism dictates that you expose and exploit the fault lines in the enemy camp. We did in '71 as well. The Pakistanis did in the 80's in Khalistan and 90's in Kashmir. Heck, the LTTE tried it after the IPFK fiasco. But let's just agree to disagree.

The BJP core hindutva base is the reason Modi got the Majority he got.Besides from some new fence sitters who happen to be Minority in voting bases.The last two times BJP core base refused to work for Elections and you know the results.This time they worked because it was MODI who represented Hindutva.(You can say Development blah blah blah doesn't matter) Even he knows and we know what the reality is.
The Bajrang Dal,VHP people are the ones who rescue and protect Hindus on the ground unlike you #AdarshLIberals who in a riot, will be the first to run and hide,seeking protection inside the homes of these Trident wielding buffons as you said.We know you are scaredy cats all yap yap on Internet and Media.But on the ground these Trident wielding Hindutvas stop Bharat from becoming another Islamic nation or a Christian nation and keep the mullah,padres and extremists in check.