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Every One Is Going Nuts over the Surgical Strikes occurred in Pakistan with artillery shells.
Now I have question for our delighted Indian members
But first let's keep its civil no B.S. and no name calling its a defence forum
Indian story is they used helicopters deployed 70 soldiers at 5 to 6 locations they went in Pakistani side Killed terrorists destroyed launch pads
And came back and 2 Pakistani soldiers died
Pakistani story
India just used artillery and 2 soldiers died now and Pakistan responded back and destroyed 3 Indian posts
Now I have few points
1 Pakistan and Indian border in Punjab and Kashmir area is one of the most secured and armed border and Both side try to keep close lid on its side ( leave terrorist stories a side for minute India member )by Indian news Indian have many times captured or killed terrorist coming from Pakistani Side
2 what kind of helps Did India use
Because 5 to 6 helos flying and coming to Pakistani border at the same time or with a small interval to different locations what kinds of helps were used because none of them were detected by Pakistani radars ( now don't bring they were flying low to ground story in it why because than its not just plain area or barren land where is no tree buildings or natures beauty in the way or why would someone develop stealth it's good cover but it's not 100 stealth and than the sound of helicopters in hilly areas it echoes more )
As for small interval because else Indian forces would have lost the element of surprise
So what seems strange is Pakistani air force with all there Awacs and radar installations wasn't able to detect 5 to 6 helos even if the comes were off none of these locations and movement was detected by Pakistani side so much for the most fortified border in world
It would have made more sense if atleast one of the posts got attacked or rangers got attacked directly by intruders
2
according to Pakistani and Indian side artillery was being used on 3 spots and let's assume Indian forces used this as cover which seems huge risk because enemy who's already on alert you try to cross border and go inside and to missions it would have made more sense if Pakistani and Indian forces were working together and Indian forces sliped inside
3
2 Pakistani soldiers in the area ,in Azad Kashmir and Punjabi small villages are really close to border and I mean really close
Now where these 2 soldiers that's the important point
(A) where these soldiers died at the post they were protecting
(B) where they at the launch pads with so called terrorists
(C) where the patrolling the border and how they died
If it's case a than than officers would have informed higher ups would been informed and reinforcements would have came and Indian soldiers would have been flanked
In case b than how Indian forces new they were soldiers they did the search all the locations
If that was the case what seems strange there was no talks about because it would have proven India's point Pakistan army sponsoring terrorism
But no talk about that
In case c as I said earlier Pakistani army would have known about the intruders and I would have ended really bad for the soldiers and India
4
Launch pads and weapons used by Indian and terrorists operation lasted 3 hours this needs more explaining because
Indian forces had 5 to 6 locations to cover go into enemy territory when they are already on high alert go deep inside fight different enemies and come back this time frame just doesn't made any sense 1 go inside enemy territory meant using covert approach 2 unknown terrain 3 fight unknown numbers of enemies 5 come back to own area using covert approach just too much
6 this kind of covert operations take weeks to prepare while India didn't had that much time
Now important point launch pad they way Indians are putting it we destroyed it seem they are trying hard not to say they were tunnels which was destroyed
And weapons since did all the parties including Indian special forces and terrorists used silencers because there was no sound in the surrounding area because villages close to these heard nothing they destroyed launching pads , how come there is no evidence of all the bodies, bullet shells this even the might Pakistani Army wouldn't be able to hide all that
5
when Indian forces went into Burma they just declined but none likes to brag about
Covert operations than they won't be covert deeply compromise assessts on the ground
Now why would they do that when they are going into a nuclear capably armed which is hostile to you went both nations wanting blood And say we killed in your territory and we also killed your soldiers
It seems just too much to me it's more like a face saving
Since Indian forces did brag about and gave a official statment
And they told 25 countries diplomats hey we did this not one single one said a word about it why didn't they invite Pakistani diplomat and presented proofs to all these countries that Pakistani is doing this this and we did this not even the countries hostile to Pakistan not a single statement from the the pro indian diplomats from states
All this is more like a facing save because of the Indian public pressure by saying hey we did this while no one in the past was able to pull this off
And seems by Pakistani response I m thinking just a lollipop for public
As for Current Pakistani statement its For the 2 soldiers who died not for the imaginary surgical strike
What Pakistan options does have
Because if they follow Indian media Pakistan should have already started the nuclear war
What you guys think about it
Now I have question for our delighted Indian members
But first let's keep its civil no B.S. and no name calling its a defence forum
Indian story is they used helicopters deployed 70 soldiers at 5 to 6 locations they went in Pakistani side Killed terrorists destroyed launch pads
And came back and 2 Pakistani soldiers died
Pakistani story
India just used artillery and 2 soldiers died now and Pakistan responded back and destroyed 3 Indian posts
Now I have few points
1 Pakistan and Indian border in Punjab and Kashmir area is one of the most secured and armed border and Both side try to keep close lid on its side ( leave terrorist stories a side for minute India member )by Indian news Indian have many times captured or killed terrorist coming from Pakistani Side
2 what kind of helps Did India use
Because 5 to 6 helos flying and coming to Pakistani border at the same time or with a small interval to different locations what kinds of helps were used because none of them were detected by Pakistani radars ( now don't bring they were flying low to ground story in it why because than its not just plain area or barren land where is no tree buildings or natures beauty in the way or why would someone develop stealth it's good cover but it's not 100 stealth and than the sound of helicopters in hilly areas it echoes more )
As for small interval because else Indian forces would have lost the element of surprise
So what seems strange is Pakistani air force with all there Awacs and radar installations wasn't able to detect 5 to 6 helos even if the comes were off none of these locations and movement was detected by Pakistani side so much for the most fortified border in world
It would have made more sense if atleast one of the posts got attacked or rangers got attacked directly by intruders
2
according to Pakistani and Indian side artillery was being used on 3 spots and let's assume Indian forces used this as cover which seems huge risk because enemy who's already on alert you try to cross border and go inside and to missions it would have made more sense if Pakistani and Indian forces were working together and Indian forces sliped inside
3
2 Pakistani soldiers in the area ,in Azad Kashmir and Punjabi small villages are really close to border and I mean really close
Now where these 2 soldiers that's the important point
(A) where these soldiers died at the post they were protecting
(B) where they at the launch pads with so called terrorists
(C) where the patrolling the border and how they died
If it's case a than than officers would have informed higher ups would been informed and reinforcements would have came and Indian soldiers would have been flanked
In case b than how Indian forces new they were soldiers they did the search all the locations
If that was the case what seems strange there was no talks about because it would have proven India's point Pakistan army sponsoring terrorism
But no talk about that
In case c as I said earlier Pakistani army would have known about the intruders and I would have ended really bad for the soldiers and India
4
Launch pads and weapons used by Indian and terrorists operation lasted 3 hours this needs more explaining because
Indian forces had 5 to 6 locations to cover go into enemy territory when they are already on high alert go deep inside fight different enemies and come back this time frame just doesn't made any sense 1 go inside enemy territory meant using covert approach 2 unknown terrain 3 fight unknown numbers of enemies 5 come back to own area using covert approach just too much
6 this kind of covert operations take weeks to prepare while India didn't had that much time
Now important point launch pad they way Indians are putting it we destroyed it seem they are trying hard not to say they were tunnels which was destroyed
And weapons since did all the parties including Indian special forces and terrorists used silencers because there was no sound in the surrounding area because villages close to these heard nothing they destroyed launching pads , how come there is no evidence of all the bodies, bullet shells this even the might Pakistani Army wouldn't be able to hide all that
5
when Indian forces went into Burma they just declined but none likes to brag about
Covert operations than they won't be covert deeply compromise assessts on the ground
Now why would they do that when they are going into a nuclear capably armed which is hostile to you went both nations wanting blood And say we killed in your territory and we also killed your soldiers
It seems just too much to me it's more like a face saving
Since Indian forces did brag about and gave a official statment
And they told 25 countries diplomats hey we did this not one single one said a word about it why didn't they invite Pakistani diplomat and presented proofs to all these countries that Pakistani is doing this this and we did this not even the countries hostile to Pakistan not a single statement from the the pro indian diplomats from states
All this is more like a facing save because of the Indian public pressure by saying hey we did this while no one in the past was able to pull this off
And seems by Pakistani response I m thinking just a lollipop for public
As for Current Pakistani statement its For the 2 soldiers who died not for the imaginary surgical strike
What Pakistan options does have
Because if they follow Indian media Pakistan should have already started the nuclear war
What you guys think about it
