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[IndoCarib]

What is BJP position towards Gorkhaland (northern Bengal)?

Not clear. I think they support gorkhaland on the sly. But officially they are against it.

 

[padamchen]

Not clear. I think they support gorkhaland on the sly.

Gorkhaland has literally been going on since I was in school and we used to go to Darjeeling in the summer holidays.

That's like over 30 years.

Its an idea whose time has definitely come.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Soumitra]

Bolo Amit Shah Maharaj ki Jai

https://twitter.com/x/status/891983770529574912

I have a feeling that in 2024 it could be Yogi Vs Amit Shah to become the PM. And I am not sure whom I would support

 

[Bibo]

Can't access youtube now.
But you can search. There was a 3vs3 debate with Swamy on one team and Ram Jethmalani on other on how to remove article 370.

It is a nice debate & the bottom line is that any decision on this will eventually reach SC constitution bench for interpretation.

But let us say BJP removes 370 through presidential order. Would Congress take the risk of going to SC to fight against it? It would be a political suicide - one of the many they are doing these days.

We would need a friendly SC to make this happen.

There is no doubt it will be challenged in the SC. The SC will have to rubber stamp it.

 

[Fireurimagination]

Bolo Amit Shah Maharaj ki Jai

https://twitter.com/x/status/891983770529574912

I have a feeling that in 2024 it could be Yogi Vs Amit Shah to become the PM. And I am not sure whom I would support

What happened to Rajni? Kamal Hassan is most probably going to join DMK. Either Rajnikant will join BJP or start his outfit and get in alliance with BJP. if AIADMK really joins NDA then Rajni should join BJP instead of starting his own outfit.

 

[Bibo]

Bolo Amit Shah Maharaj ki Jai

https://twitter.com/x/status/891983770529574912

I have a feeling that in 2024 it could be Yogi Vs Amit Shah to become the PM. And I am not sure whom I would support

Both does not have the EQ to become PM. They would make excellent anything except the PM.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Article 370 repeal would need 2/3rds majority in upper and lower house I think to amend constitution. Might take a while for upper house to get there.

But this is good groundwork set by Modi admin recently. Hope there is sustained follow-up.

Hope uniform civil code is also accomplished down the road by this govt.

I too thought that 2/3 is needed to remove it.
Swamy had an interesting take on how to remove 370. he reckons it does not need to go through parliament at all and he is usually right in these matters.

A willing Sanghi as current president - who knows what BJP has in store for 370.

As much as I want it to be gone, abolishing Article 370 is simply not possible right now. Not only do you need 2/3 of both houses in parliament, you also need 2/3 (or was it just simple majority?) in J&K Assembly as well.

As things stand, BJP can't even get simple majority on their own in J&K. The result that they got last time was the best they can get for some time.

In stead, I think India should work on a long term demographic engineering and keep pushing non-Kashmiris to settle in Kashmir - a la Han settlement in East Turkestan (or Chinese Occupied Xinjiang) but more covertly. Even before that, they should make it conducive for the legitimate Kashmiri Pandits to go back.

But alas, we can't even prevent Rohingyas, who are illegal immigrants even to mainland India, settling in J&K. That is one hell of a ticking time bomb and I have no doubt in my mind that it (settling of Rohingyas in J&K) is being done as part of somebody's larger game plan.

 

[salimpheku]

you also need 2/3 (or was it just simple majority?) in J&K Assembly as well.

That's not what the law says & there is no constituent assembly for J&K anymore
That's why I said Swamy has a nice interesting take on this matter.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Hindus don't have the guts to do what it takes to change the status quo in Kashmir. Drink it up and deal with it.

 

[Bibo]

Hindus don't have the guts to do what it takes to change the status quo in Kashmir. Drink it up and deal with it.

Never say Never.

I would still keep my finger crossed. That is more important that UCC.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

That's not what the law says & there is no constituent assembly for J&K anymore
That's why I said Swamy has a nice interesting take on this matter.

Although I like it to be true, I will take Swamy's claims with a pinch of salt.

In any case, like @SarthakGanguly said, ultimately it all boils down to the guts. Pakistan, despite being the aggressor from day one, changed the demography of the region beyond recognition. They did that not only in the region that they occupy, but also in India's Kashmir by hounding the Pandits out like you do with rabid dogs.

I think this is the price you pay for electing the d!ckless wonders like Gujral, VP Singh, Deve Gowda and MMS.

Hindus don't have the guts to do what it takes to change the status quo in Kashmir. Drink it up and deal with it.

Reluctantly, I will have to agree with you, sir!

Nobody cares who the Kashmir should belong to, legitimately. All that matters is, how badly you want it. That is where Pakistanis come on top.

Unfortunately, most Indians are so disconnected and so clueless about the situation in Kashmir that it is rarely an agenda for the elections.

 

[salimpheku]

https://twitter.com/x/status/891686309156147201

https://twitter.com/x/status/891832101250764800

I am scared for this little boy now. For Seculars this little boy is not human since he is a Hindu and will justify harming this little kid in the name of preserving secularism.
Their perversion knows no bounds.

 

[JanjaWeed]

Bolo Amit Shah Maharaj ki Jai

https://twitter.com/x/status/891983770529574912

I have a feeling that in 2024 it could be Yogi Vs Amit Shah to become the PM. And I am not sure whom I would support

There must be a reason why AS is coming to RS! Maybe he will take over MOH in coming cabinet reshuffle & fix those who are yet to be fixed.. what say?

 

[Nilgiri]

Not clear. I think they support gorkhaland on the sly. But officially they are against it.

I think some overt support is required (just to stick it to mamata and her henchpeople by carving out new state from their reach), or will BJP base in lower Bengal be affected somehow? Maybe wait and see approach is needed after all (esp if support driven away from growing BJP popularity), but darjeeling area is suffering economically, I think referendum should be done, Gorkhaland does not even have say a capital city like Telengana does....so it can be done quite quickly.

Although I like it to be true, I will take Swamy's claims with a pinch of salt.

In any case, like @SarthakGanguly said, ultimately it all boils down to the guts. Pakistan, despite being the aggressor from day one, changed the demography of the region beyond recognition. They did that not only in the region that they occupy, but also in India's Kashmir by hounding the Pandits out like you do with rabid dogs.

I think this is the price you pay for electing the d!ckless wonders like Gujral, VP Singh, Deve Gowda and MMS.



Reluctantly, I will have to agree with you, sir!

Nobody cares who the Kashmir should belong to, legitimately. All that matters is, how badly you want it. That is where Pakistanis come on top.

Unfortunately, most Indians are so disconnected and so clueless about the situation in Kashmir that it is rarely an agenda for the elections.

Problem is reclaiming the "heartland" of bharat is still ongoing....to make it strong before real power projected to "fringes". But NIA action and results is promising trend in setting up further chanakya-lite fight back...if Modi can leave us in good shape with an ascendant policy on that over say 2 terms, I will be very happy.

As for 2/3rds needed in JK assembly too, I think repealing 370 would take care of that, given that is where that basis for that is found in first place (i.e provision of local autonomy ....but a constituent cannot supercede a federal structure it is part of). At worst a new amendment to specifically deal with that can both be voted on if needed and SC can rule on the legality if its challenged by JK govt....I have a feeling S. Swamy is on to something here.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

I think some overt support is required (just to stick it to mamata and her henchpeople by carving out new state from their reach), or will BJP base in lower Bengal be affected somehow? Maybe wait and see approach is needed after all (esp if support driven away from growing BJP popularity), but darjeeling area is suffering economically, I think referendum should be done, Gorkhaland does not even have say a capital city like Telengana does....so it can be done quite quickly.

Beyond politics, I think Gorkhaland has very strategic implications for the security of NE since it abuts the all-important Siliguri corridor in the north (if my understanding of the geography of that area is correct).

Last time I read, Siliguri already has a huge presence of Bangladeshi illegals and as such, a communally sensitive area. I can't believe we haven't done anything to secure such a strategic piece of land.

Hence it becomes imperative to liberate Gorkhaland from the clutches of minority appeasing Bengali politicians that will go to any extent just for vote bank politics. That is hoping Gorkhaland politicians wouldn't be as bad.

As for 2/3rds needed in JK assembly too, I think repealing 370 would take care of that, given that is where that basis for that is found in first place (i.e provision of local autonomy ....but a constituent cannot supercede a federal structure it is part of). At worst a new amendment to specifically deal with that can both be voted on if needed and SC can rule on the legality if its challenged by JK govt....I have a feeling S. Swamy is on to something here.

Even if Swamy is onto something, it will take nerves of steel to radically change the status quo in J&K since it will make or break Kashmir's union with India. Last time, the Kashmiri islamists, propped up by their masters from other side of LoC, objected even for a permanent resting stop for Amarnath Yatris.

The Kashmiris have been dealt with kid-gloves for so long, so much that any attempt to change the status quo will invite trouble at a scale never seen before since partition. And it doesn't help that the country itself is full of JNU-type politicians that will resist every such attempt and make it impossible for any political party to sustan.

That's why I think we need to bide our time, firm up our internal defenses, make our economy stronger and work towards covert means to tire out and degenerate the Kashmiri opposition in a gradual but sustained manner.