Indian Navy Threat to Gwadar 2017

[Khan_patriot]

Pakistan Armed forces has screwed a lot , we should have a small but more advance Navy by now, we lack modern Frigates and Destroyers .. we lack a Naval Air Arm with Flankers , we will have a good Submarine fleet but that wont be enough .

And who is going to pay for these toys, you???

 

[Hamza913]

IAF serviceability is at par with USAF.

Also as for 4th gen jets, India has a fleet of 392 & Pakistan 165, so obviously numbers would be higher.

It's not to do with numbers, flight hours are what count. The PAF has more flight hours on average, yet it has a lower crash rate. The PAF also boasts a higher pilot to cockpit ratio than the IAF (2.5:1 compared to 0.83:1), and as I've said before, higher serviceability.

The PAF has crashed 11 4th gen fighters throughout it's history. How does the IAF compare?

 

[Hamza913]

Nope IAF pilot flies far more than PAF pilot.
Also IAF pilot ratio is 1:1.
Where as PAF has severe excess of pilots leading to low quality & training.
Even U.S. admitted IAF is superior in training & tactics.

Hindustan won't get 126 F-18's, at best you will get 36 just like with Rafale, and just like with Rafale you will get ripped off and the jets will take an eternity to come.

The IAF doesn't fly more than the PAF lol, that's nonsense. Even during 90's when we were sanctioned like crazy, our average pilot logged in 43% more flying hours anually. Just imagine how bad it is now that we aren't sanctioned like crazy and are actively involved in anti terrorism campaigns in Waziristan.

1:1 is a round up, and even if it is true, doesn't change the fact that we still have a significantly higher ratio. It doesn't lead to poor training either, how many MM Alam's, Saiful Azam's have you produced? Zilch.

What the hell are those last few lines lol? It's clearly just PR if someone uttered it, because the PAF operates 400-450 fighter jets and the IAF operates 800-900 fighter jets. JF-17's are easy to get too, no affordability struggles there like the idiot who wrote/said this suggests. They're also capable of defending Pakistan from any of Hindustan's current fighters, being on the defence grants us significant advantages. Don't forget they also carry the C-400AKG, which can strike down your carriers at mach 5 speed with a 1,600km strike range.

Please, I urge you to utilise this forum so you gain the knowledge you clearly lack. Good day.

 

[MULUBJA]

Interesting video for-sure a mighty force , I have a lot of respect for the IN given the fact that most of my family back round is from the PN a mutual respect is always set between sailors as my father has always told me.

Yes, That should be the spirit.

 

[MULUBJA]

Hindustan won't get 126 F-18's, at best you will get 36 just like with Rafale, and just like with Rafale you will get ripped off and the jets will take an eternity to come.

The IAF doesn't fly more than the PAF lol, that's nonsense. Even during 90's when we were sanctioned like crazy, our average pilot logged in 43% more flying hours anually. Just imagine how bad it is now that we aren't sanctioned like crazy and are actively involved in anti terrorism campaigns in Waziristan.

1:1 is a round up, and even if it is true, doesn't change the fact that we still have a significantly higher ratio. It doesn't lead to poor training either, how many MM Alam's, Saiful Azam's have you produced? Zilch.

What the hell are those last few lines lol? It's clearly just PR if someone uttered it, because the PAF operates 400-450 fighter jets and the IAF operates 800-900 fighter jets. JF-17's are easy to get too, no affordability struggles there like the idiot who wrote/said this suggests. They're also capable of defending Pakistan from any of Hindustan's current fighters, being on the defence grants us significant advantages. Don't forget they also carry the C-400AKG, which can strike down your carriers at mach 5 speed with a 1,600km strike range.

Please, I urge you to utilise this forum so you gain the knowledge you clearly lack. Good day.

IN guys focus a lot on indiginization and cost saving which unfortunately not the focus of Indian airforce. They always demand for imported costly fighters which is a big impediment in development of desi technology. We hope high on Tejas and we believe that once it is fully ready, it will meet many criterion of MMRCA and shall be able to perform many roles of medium weight fighters.

 

[Hamza913]

IN guys focus a lot on indiginization and cost saving which unfortunately not the focus of Indian airforce. They always demand for imported costly fighters which is a big impediment in development of desi technology. We hope high on Tejas and we believe that once it is fully ready, it will meet many criterion of MMRCA and shall be able to perform many rolls.

Tejas will do pretty well.

 

[MULUBJA]

Tejas will do pretty well.

We hope so. Aerodynamic deficiencies are identified and it shall be corrected by this year end. It will improve Tejas' trans sonic acceleration by 20% and highest speed by 2%. Weight reduction shall add a lot to agility , speed, fuel efficiency and weight carrying ability. We hope that MK2 shall be a top class fighter. However, if we are able to put some engine like EJ 230, tejas shall become a super plane with unmatched T/W ratio.

 

[assassin123]

Some members here always find a reason to enjoy like IN mig 29k fleet has serviceability issues( 3-4 year old problem reported by CAG and has been solved).
IN fleet will not be fully deployed as some vessels will be in repair.somehow this does not apply to PN fleet.
Even though PN is pretty much operating an antiquated fleet they some how feel that IN with a huge quantitative and qualitative will have no chance.
The sole purpose of IN western fleet is to blockade Pakistan in case of any eventuality while a similarly equipped Eastern fleet takes care of the rest of the coastline.
The western fleet itself is an overkill for PN even the 3 Kolkata class destroyers have more firepower than the entire PN fleet.
Even though China has some potent vessels like type 054a with a pretty decent medium range Sam. PN seems to be interested in point defence Sam's only which puts your fleet in serious disadvantage to IN.

 

[Hamza913]

Some members here always find a reason to enjoy like IN mig 29k fleet has serviceability issues( 3-4 year old problem reported by CAG and has been solved).
IN fleet will not be fully deployed as some vessels will be in repair.somehow this does not apply to PN fleet.
Even though PN is pretty much operating an antiquated fleet they some how feel that IN with a huge quantitative and qualitative will have no chance.
The sole purpose of IN western fleet is to blockade Pakistan in case of any eventuality while a similarly equipped Eastern fleet takes care of the rest of the coastline.
The western fleet itself is an overkill for PN even the 3 Kolkata class destroyers have more firepower than the entire PN fleet.
Even though China has some potent vessels like type 054a with a pretty decent medium range Sam. PN seems to be interested in point defence Sam's only which puts your fleet in serious disadvantage to IN.

We are capable of preventing a blockade, make no mistake. Our submarines can practice anti area access denial, and our JF-17's come equipped with C-400AKG, believe me we pack enough of a punch.

 

[PakShaheen79]

Pakistan Navy is far from having any credible deterrence against IN's guided missile destroyers. These ships must be a serious source of concern for PN leadership. To make the matters more challenging, IN has found its way to US tech in the shape of P8Is. PN does not possess a single ship more than 5,000 tons class. Kolkata Class destroyers are more than 6000 tons and are equipped with latest sensor suits and strike weapons. We must not forget that once a submarine launches a hit against any of the IN ship, it will reveal its own location for which P8I will be in the sky. IMO, this is a dangerous scenario and must be mitigated ASAP and this can be achieved in multiple ways but the most essential ingredient would be political will. Political will to transform a coastline defense navy to a force which lies somewhere in between a brown and blue water navy and this will take considerable time and resources. But if we start, one day we will achieve it. Apart from Indian threat, CPEC and Gawader's role in it also demands extra muscle in PN so that we can achieve power projection in Arabian Sea to safeguard our geopolitical interests apart from deterring any IN design of a blockade.

 

[el nino]

Some Times Words CANT explain some thing LIKE a picture

 

[assassin123]

We are capable of preventing a blockade, make no mistake. Our submarines can practice anti area access denial, and our JF-17's come equipped with C-400AKG, believe me we pack enough of a punch.

See you are talking about best case scenario's.
You have just 5 submarines out of which 2 are really old.
they are going against at least 11 IN subs + 12+ P8-I's

And CM-400AKG is no wonder weapon it follows a top down approach in it's terminal phase ie, one of the easiest types of missiles to shoot down.
And even if everything falls in place you expect just 5 subs and jf 17 will be enough?
Considering the size of IN.
There are a million things that can go wrong here.
unless PN decides to get some potent destroyer or Frigate your chances are really slim.

 

[Panzerkampf]

And CM-400AKG is no wonder weapon it follows a top down approach in it's terminal phase ie, one of the easiest types of missiles to shoot down.
And even if everything falls in place you expect just 5 subs and jf 17 will be enough?

More importantly Pakistan is yet to purchase CM-400AKG.

 

[Hamza913]

See you are talking about best case scenario's.
You have just 5 submarines out of which 2 are really old.
they are going against at least 11 IN subs + 12+ P8-I's

And CM-400AKG is no wonder weapon it follows a top down approach in it's terminal phase ie, one of the easiest types of missiles to shoot down.
And even if everything falls in place you expect just 5 subs and jf 17 will be enough?
Considering the size of IN.
There are a million things that can go wrong here.
unless PN decides to get some potent destroyer or Frigate your chances are really slim.

Not quite.

This scenario isn't all that improbable, remember the Hindustani navy cannot send it's entire or even most of its fleet, the coastline is far too big in comparison to ours.

Our surface fleet is pretty good. They could do a fair amount of damage especially with support from southern air command (they don't just have JF-17's, they also have Mirages and F-16's in ample numbers, more than enough to counter whatever the Hindustani navy's air arm brings and then some). However, if the war dragged they might not last, but our submarines could still prevent a blockade. They are very capable, and don't forget how they forced a Hindustani submarine to retreat in November. If they were so weak, I'm sure the Hindustani navy would have had no trouble destroying it, right?

Not to mention the complaints your own country has about the Hindustani navy's submarines:

http://www.oneindia.com/2013/08/20/...stans-powerful-submarines-report-1287237.html

The CM-400AKG is potent enough for the US to consider it a threat to their carriers, do you really think the Hindustani navy's carriers are better (or even comparable)? Several JF-17's can fire a bunch of them, and only one of them will have to hit to do some damage. It wouldn't be easy, but it's possible and probably enough to scare away your carriers or prevent a blockade, and this is just for carriers. Surface ships would have less of a chance, and could also be dealt with Babur or Raad (not sure how effective those would be against carriers, but I'm sure they could work on them too).

Performing a blockade is what we aim to prevent and can prevent, through the use of submarines and our powerful southern air command. It's not impossible or unlikely at all.

More importantly Pakistan is yet to purchase CM-400AKG.

Might want to check again:

http://www.asian-defence.net/2012/1...ersonic-Carrier-Killer-Missile-For-JF-17.html

 

[Panzerkampf]

Might want to check again:

http://www.asian-defence.net/2012/1...ersonic-Carrier-Killer-Missile-For-

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