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The bright side of the delayed frigate delivery to India

India has announced that Russia delayed its delivery of three frigates to the Indian Navy by over a year. Given the circumstances under which the contract was made and executed, the delay could have been even longer.




Past-due frigates



The timetable for manufacturing the three frigates for India (the Tag, Tarkash and Trikand) has been pushed back significantly, says the Indian military. The Tag should have been delivered in April. However, the date has been postponed for 12 months, according to a statement by the Indian Defense Minister A. K. Antony. The Tarkash, which was expected to join the Indian Navy in October 2011, will be 11 months late, and the Trikand, scheduled for April 2012, will be 14 months overdue.



Antony said the delays were caused by "a shortage of skilled labor capable of building several ships simultaneously," and he also noted flaws in the production chain resulting in delays of equipment deliveries from Russian subcontractors.



The three Project 1135.6 frigates are being built at the Yantar shipyard in Kaliningrad. All of them have been set afloat and are close to completion.



Second series for India



The three frigates under construction at Yantar constitute India' second order for ships of this type. They were actually created specially for the Indian Navy as extensive upgrades of Soviet-era Project 1135.1 frigates. The contract to build the first three frigates - the Talwar, Trishul and Tabar - was signed in November 1997, and was valued at about $1 billion.



St. Petersburg's Baltic Shipyard (Baltiisky Zavod) was chosen as the manufacturer. A number of innovations were incorporated into the modified ships. For example, the ship is equipped with Club-N anti-ship missiles - the export version of the Caliber missile system - which is only now finding its way into the Russian fleet.



The Baltic Shipyard missed the delivery deadlines for the first border of frigates. The last of the three ships reached India only in April 2004; 2003 was stipulated in the contract. There was nothing surprising about this, and it did not cause a scandal. The export-oriented Russian defense industry has only recently become capable of major industrial production, and New Delhi has reacted to the delays with understanding.



In 2006, having gained operating experience with the first three frigates, Delhi ordered three more ships from Russian shipbuilders. Initially, India wanted six such frigates at the same time, but at the last minute the decision was made to order just three. The new contract was valued at $ 1.6 billion.



Political order



The Baltic Shipyard did not receive the contract for the second consignment of three frigates. After extended talks, it was given to Kaliningrad shipbuilders.



"The Yantar plant was given the second series of ships for political reasons," said Konstantin Makiyenko, deputy director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies. "This was done not so much to support the specific plant as the economy of the entire Kaliningrad exclave."



The Yantar plant was in a terrible state in terms of both finances and personnel. But India, which agreed on the executor of the contract, has no real cause to complain. If New Delhi had firmly insisted on its terms and demanded that the contract for these ships be given to the familiar Baltic Shipyard, Moscow would have most likely met them halfway, so as not to miss out on these lucrative contracts.



However, despite the noticeable delay cited by the Indian side, the Kaliningrad plant is filling the orders. The problems faced at Yantar are similar to those faced by the Baltic plant in the case of the first batch of frigates. Having no stable income, the Yantar plant took its time to restore production capacity and the skill level of its workforce, as well as to arrange production with subcontractors



The plant just barely eked it out, but the job was completed, despite the terrible conditions at the outset. Konstantin Makiyenko said that initially the problems were such that one could have expected a much larger delay than the one currently cited by the Indian side.



"By all appearances, the plant is all warmed up from filling the order and will work more smoothly in the future," he said.



In addition, it should be noted that the Russian Navy itself has placed orders with the Yantar plant after evaluating the Project 1135.6 platform based on the Indian contracts. The plant laid the keels for the flagship frigate Admiral Grigorovich in December 2010 and the Admiral Essen in July 2011. It is also expected to lay the keel for third frigate, which according to a number of sources will be named the Admiral Makarov.
 
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Indian navy's P8I + IN320!

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P.S. As I expected, no refuelling probe, which means IAF needs new tankers for sure, because the IL 78 is not compatible and the same should be the case for C17s!
 
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Indian navy's P8I + IN320!

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P.S. As I expected, no refuelling probe, which means IAF needs new tankers for sure, because the IL 78 is not compatible and the same should be the case for C17s!

Holy SH!T!! Great find!! I didn't expect to see pics of fully painted IN P-8I for a while- handed to US they sure are masters of efficiency. Yeah regarding the refuelling probe no one ever said it would come with a probe but we can see the markings are there for boom refuelling and I expect the same for C-17. I believe it is very likely (unless MoD are feeling very foolish on day) that requirement for next gen refeulong tanker will be to have both types of refuelling capability so they can service the entire Indian armed forces aviation fleet like FrAF tankers.


+ interesting that they've painted the nose cone- wasn't on any of the promos like this- I assume an IN request. And does anyone know what "ARK" on the tail means, it seems to be on the tail of many IN MPAs.
 
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^^Excellent find sancho.
Them yanks are really fast with speeding up things.

NAVY STRONG!!!!!!!
 
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Amphibious Vessels To Strengthen Indian Navy ~ ASIAN DEFENCE NEWS

The Indian government has cleared the Rs 2,176-crore acquisition of eight specialised vessels or LCUs (landing craft utility), capable of "hard beaching" on enemy shores, to boost the country's amphibious warfare and island protection capabilities.

This comes even as the defence ministry is finalizing another project to acquire four huge amphibious warfare ships, called Landing Platform Docks (LPDs) for "stand-off beaching", for around Rs 16,000 crore.

The LCUs and LPDs will help in swiftly transporting thousands of troops, heavy weapon systems and infantry combat vehicles over long distances to take the battle right to the enemy mainland.

The Cabinet Committee on Security cleared the LCU project for the eight amphibious assault vessels, to be built by the Kolkata-based defence PSU Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers Ltd, a couple of days ago. "The first LCU will be delivered in three years," said an official.

The LCUs are likely to be based at India's first and only regional 'theatre command', the strategically-located Andaman and Nicobar Command (ANC), which will complete 10 years of existence next month.

With additional airstrips, OTR (operational turn around) bases and jetties, ANC is slowly being transformed into a major amphibious warfare hub. A strong military presence in the 572-island archipelago is considered imperative to counter China's strategic moves in the Indian Ocean as well as ensure security of the sea lanes converging towards Malacca Strait.

The armed forces have been sharpening their amphibious warfare skills with a series of exercises over the last few years to practice blitzkrieg assaults on enemy territory from the sea.

All this gained momentum after the induction of the 16,900-tonne INS Jalashwa, known as USS Trenton earlier, and its six UH-3H Sea King troop-carrying helicopters for around $88 million from the US in 2007.

The second-hand Jalashwa, currently undergoing a refit, has given the Navy "strategic sealift capabilities" since it is capable of transporting four landing craft, six helicopters and a battalion of 1,000 fully-armed soldiers or a squadron of tanks over large distances.

The Army, on its part, has three specifically-earmarked amphibious brigades, with almost 10,000 soldiers, one based in South India, another in West India and the third at ANC.

The Navy in recent years has also inducted other large amphibious warships like INS Airavat, which can carry 10 main-battle tanks, 11 combat trucks and 500 soldiers.

Incidentally, the four new LPDs, which will be built by Hindustan Shipyard (HSL) as well as private shipyards in collaboration with a foreign manufacturer, will be similar to Jalashwa in terms of size and sea-lift capabilities.
 
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Indian navy's P8I + IN320!

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P.S. As I expected, no refuelling probe, which means IAF needs new tankers for sure, because the IL 78 is not compatible and the same should be the case for C17s!

The Americans can teach our Russian Brother-ens a thing or two about speed and efficiency ,
from what i know , we had only signed this deal in 2009 ,
At this rate we can get First P8I by mid 2012 instead of Jan 2013


As far as Mid Air refueling is concerned , well India has a tender for Next gen Mid Air Refuelers which are meant to complement our IL78 Tankers
From what I know RFI was issued to Airbus A400 and Russian IL476
This tender will however be taken up once MOD clears the backlog of current tenders for IAF ie the MMRCA contract , LUH TENDER , Attack and Heavy lift Helicopter tenders
These 4 Deals will be signed in the next 6 months
and there after MOD aka Saint Antony will take up Mid Air refueller contract as well as ASW Heli and LUH Heli tender for Indian Navy
 
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Lets see if Finance Ministry lets the Refueller tender go through...
 
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As far as Mid Air refueling is concerned , well India has a tender for Next gen Mid Air Refuelers which are meant to complement our IL78 Tankers
From what I know RFI was issued to Airbus A400 and Russian IL476

IAF had a tender in which the IL 78 and the A330 MRTT competed and the latter won, but like Jha said, the Finance Ministry was the problem here. However, my point was, that since the P8Is and most likely the C17s will not come with refuelling probes, the Russian tankers are not compatible, which leaves us with the A330 MRTT and if the Boeing would rejoin the competition, the KC 767 as the only real choices. Which is why I can't understand why MoD waste time and money on a competition and trials, with not useful Russian tankers? Also if they knew the A330 MRTT is the only choice, why didn't they started with a propper budget and cleared that with Finance Ministry, before going into a competition.
Btw, the A400 will come as a tanker, but only with drough refuelling system, just like the Russian tankers and the IL 476 tanker is just a modernised and stretched version of the IL 78.
 
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IAF had a tender in which the IL 78 and the A330 MRTT competed and the latter won, but like Jha said, the Finance Ministry was the problem here. However, my point was, that since the P8Is and most likely the C17s will not come with refuelling probes, the Russian tankers are not compatible, which leaves us with the A330 MRTT and if the Boeing would rejoin the competition, the KC 767 as the only real choices. Which is why I can't understand why MoD waste time and money on a competition and trials, with not useful Russian tankers? Also if they knew the A330 MRTT is the only choice, why didn't they started with a propper budget and cleared that with Finance Ministry, before going into a competition.
Btw, the A400 will come as a tanker, but only with drough refuelling system, just like the Russian tankers and the IL 476 tanker is just a modernised and stretched version of the IL 78.

It's because they're a bunch of paper pushing beuracrats who haven't served in the military a day in their lives. So when confronted with the expensive A330 and th Il-78 they completely overlooked the IAF's recommendations and justification and said "but, but....the Russian one's cheaper!" that's why!!! I bet the A330 will eventually be inducted into IAF but by then it will be hideously late and more expensive. Indian baeuracracy at its best!!
 
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Pipavav seeks Rs 1,200 cr debt for second dry dock
Firm plans to tie up the loan with SBI, PNB, UBI and others
Pipavav Defense and Offshore Engineering Company, earlier Pipavav Shipyard, plans to raise Rs 1,200
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crore ($250 million), as a term loan from the domestic market, largely to fund the development of a second dry dock, which once completed would be the world’s largest such repair yard for ships.

The company plans to tie up the loan from around five nationalised banks, including State Bank of India (SBI), Union Bank of India and Punjab National Bank. “We have already tied up around 80 per cent of the loan and expect the rest to materialise soon,” a senior company official told Financial Chronicle.

The cost of borrowing is expected to be around 13 per cent per annum, but the company hopes to replace these with foreign currency denominated loans raised from global markets at a later date. “We may look at cheaper loans in the form of external commercial borrowings (ECBs) some time later to prepay our costly loans,” the official said.

Pipavav had committed an investment of around $1 billion (Rs 4,739.53 crore) towards its shipyard, where it is now executing around $1.2 billion (Rs 5,697.44 crore) worth of orders. “We have already invested around $750 million, while the rest $250 million that we are raising would make up the balance investment committed,” he said.

The company has also initiated a joint venture with the Mazagon Dock to help the latter execute around Rs 100,000 crore orders to build warships, submarines and offshore naval vessels. “Though we may need some additional investments to meet the forthcoming challenge in the form of orders from Mazagon dock, our current infrastructure is capable of building around 12 warships at any given time if Mazagon Dock needs it. Besides, once the second dry dock is complete, it would add to our capacity further,” the official said.

The first dry dock, which is the second largest in the world, could accommodate ships up to 400,000 dead weight tonnes. This facility can build around 32 Panamax ships a year. For the JV, Pipavav will make available its capabilities in shipbuilding and fabrication and leverage its tie-ups with foreign firms such as Northrop Grumman and Babcock Group UK in areas of defense. The JV will allow Pipavav to extend its capabilities to making large submarines. “The company is also looking at exporting from its shipyard in the near future,” Pipavav chairman Nikhil Gandhi recently said
 
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Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers Ltd to build 8 LCUs for Indian Navy

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Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers Limited (GRSE) will be building eight specialized assault vessels called Landing Craft Utility (LCU) for the Indian Navy. The Cabinet Committee on Security has cleared the proposal for acquisition of eight LCUs for around 23 billion Indian rupees (USD 483.55 million). The first LCU is expected to be delivered in three years.

The government is also understood to be finalizing the acquisition of four amphibious warfare ships called Landing Platform Docks (LPDs) for around 168.91 billion Indian rupees (USD 3.55 billion). These will be built by Hindustan Shipyard and private shipyards in collaboration with a foreign manufacturer.The LCUs will enable easier transportation of troops and heavy weapon systems over long distances. The new LCUs will replace the existing fleet of six amphibious boats already in service.

Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers Ltd to build 8 LCUs for Indian Navy | idrw.org

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So, Pipavav will not work on LPDs ...In that case L&T should be the obvious choice..
 
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Jha, can you tell me why IN wants LCUs instead of air cushioned vehicles like most other modern navies?
 
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Jha, can you tell me why IN wants LCUs instead of air cushioned vehicles like most other modern navies?

Most probably because of the range..Range of hovercrafts is very less when compared to LCUs..Also normally the hovercrafts are used mainly for shallow water regions...IN is also buying some of these imo for Rann of Kutch...
 
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