Indian military's officer crisis- RESEARCH

[Dillinger]

@hinduguy Anyway seems like its a slow day here- didn't come across a single thread worth commenting upon, ttyl. Go natter Mambi, Rampage or Hype from my side, I'll be skipping.

Just wanted to see you might know something which i dont.. secret of your positive attitude

There is no secret, nor any attitude positive or negative. If a person is not aware of the technical particulars and modality of an issue then they can be negative or positive. If you are cognizant of the issues and do not base your opinions on them on regurgitated hyperbole and gestimations then you get a clear picture of what's going on. The pros and the cons, the good stuff and the bad stuff- after which you look at it objectively and venture an educated guess wrt what will happen- there is no room for anxiety in the process.

 

[Slav Defence]

I have also read and heard of such news,especially of Indian soldiers committing suicide.Before I continue my suggestion,I want to make one point very clear,that my analysis is neutral and not to offense or bash Indians,if anyone agrees/disagrees..he/she is welcome..however immature response will not be tolerated.

Now coming to my point there are various psychological factors upon which I would like to shed some light,but one aspect is which I want to highlight is the deployment of Indian soldiers on borders,mainly Kashmir border.
I have seen various news which describes of Indian army men's suicide in Kashmir border the most,because of following psychological reasons:

-They are away from their families for days.
-Some analysts accuse and give reasons of their 'guilt' for murdering innocent civilians..this is not my analysis,so kindly do not bash me.

-Another reason which we may assume is of some internal crimes,like wife swapping cases etc,this may have dishearten to those army officers who were sincere and when become eye witness of such issues,have decided to leave due to image rupture of dignified image of Indian army just because of few black sheep.

So as a solution I suggest:

-Time duration of deployment of soldiers must be reduced,and replaced...ie if soldier is deployed for 6 months then his duration must be reduced to 2 months and must be replaced by soldier B..this will give you fresh minds not only but also frustration and desperation will be eased.

-A special task committee must be established and deployed in Kashmir borders whose key responsibly is to check if Indian soldiers have murdered civilians etc,if any soldier approached with such complain of his group,then it must be listened and investigated.

-The same strategy must be applied for resolving cases mentioned above,but the only difference that above mentioned committee will be deployed in Kashmir borders while this committee is settled for resolving internal crimes and provided safeguards to eye witnesses of Indian soldiers.





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Stress-prone Indian soldiers
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I have represented my neutral analysis,kindly do not respond back in JAHILANA tone.I meant no offence on anyone once again.

 

[neehar]

I can't seem to upload images please refer to the article for them.

@Abingdonboy the article is of 2010, I checked around the web, there seems to be no concrete policy as of now perhaps post elections?

@Capt.Popeye @Pak-one @haviZsultan

officer posts are filled with entrances and phisical examinations already vacancies are being notified and filled accordingly..4http://joinindianarmy.nic.in/

 

[OrionHunter]

Totally alarmist and sensationalist writing!

So then, I think this is the right time for Pakistan to attack and capture Kashmir as the IA has become defunct and a rag tag circus of bimbos! A classical 'Hindu Banya' Army. So what is the PA waiting for?

 

[Indo-guy]

Oh man the competetion for for posts like engineering and doctors in the armed forces is even higher.
Last feb there were about 125000 applicants for about 200 engineering vacancies in airforce
and for AFMC(Armed Forces Medical College) examination every year over a lakh people apply for a mere 130 seats

Only the cream 0.001% of the applicants get into these jobs man.Surely I think we can expect atleast 200 excellent good candidates from 1,00,000

In a country of 1.2 billion people with average age of 24 i.e more than 60% population being under 30 ( young working population ) ....this is going to happen !

Question is despite such huge demand....why we are short of officers , engineers , doctors, scientists....

Reason is our mismanagement of man power !

India still has great potential to develop and transform into a progressive nation ....if we can utilize our potential rightly ....

Unfortunately we have wherewithal to reach there ...but no will which can take us there !!!

 

[rockstarIN]

I have also read and heard of such news,especially of Indian soldiers committing suicide.Before I continue my suggestion,I want to make one point very clear,that my analysis is neutral and not to offense or bash Indians,if anyone agrees/disagrees..he/she is welcome..however iimmature response will not be tolerated.

Now coming to my point there are various psychological factors upon which I would like to shed some light,but one aspect is which I want to highlight is the deployment of Indian soldiers on borders,mainly Kashmir border.
I have seen various news which describes of Indian army men's suicide in Kashmir border the most,because of following psychological reasons:

-They are away from their families for days.
-Some analysts accuse and give reasons of their 'guilt' for murdering innocent civilians..this is not my analysis,so kindly do not bash me.

-Another reason which we may assume is of some internal crimes,like wife swapping cases etc,this may have dishearten to those army officers who were sincere and when become eye witness of such issues,have decided to leave due to image rupture of dignified image of Indian army just because of few black sheep.

So as a solution I suggest:

-Time duration of deployment of soldiers must be reduced,and replaced...ie if soldier is deployed for 6 months then his duration must be reduced to 2 months and must be replaced by soldier B..this will give you fresh minds not only but also frustration and desperation will be eased.

-A special task committee must be established and deployed in Kashmir borders whose key responsibly is to check if Indian soldiers have murdered civilians etc,if any soldier approached with such complain of his group,then it must be listened and investigated.

-The same strategy must be applied for resolving cases mentioned above,but the only difference that above mentioned committee will be deployed in Kashmir borders while this committee is settled for resolving internal crimes and provided safeguards to eye witnesses of Indian soldiers.





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http://kashmirvoice.org/?p=1245
400 Indian Soldiers Committed Suicide in 3 Years | PKKH.tv
Stress-prone Indian soldiers
http://www.kashmiri-cc.ca/misc/SITHUMAN.htm
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I have represented my neutral analysis,kindly do not respond back in JAHILANA tone.I meant no offence on anyone once again.

---They are away from their families for days.

Most of the army men in the world are away from family, how can that be a reason?

-Some analysts accuse and give reasons of their 'guilt' for murdering innocent civilians..this is not my analysis,so kindly do not bash me.

Met numerous guys of IA who worked in harsh conditions. Nobody were feeling guilty at all. Its a propaganda from across the border only. Nobody is telling anybody to kill there. If you take the list of civilians killed in recent years in violence, you will know. Ppl die more in accidents there.

-Wife swapping etc.

a big lol

Since you are written this saying 'being neutral' it does not look like that mate.

 

[Slav Defence]

---They are away from their families for days.

Most of the army men in the world are away from family, how can that be a reason?

-Some analysts accuse and give reasons of their 'guilt' for murdering innocent civilians..this is not my analysis,so kindly do not bash me.

Met numerous guys of IA who worked in harsh conditions. Nobody were feeling guilty at all. Its a propaganda from across the border only. Nobody is telling anybody to kill there. If you take the list of civilians killed in recent years in violence, you will know. Ppl die more in accidents there.

-Wife swapping etc.

a big lol

Since you are written this saying 'being neutral' it does not look like that mate.

Well if you feel like that then what should I do?my context wasn't to bash anyone

 

[rockstarIN]

Well if you feel like that then what should I do?my context wasn't to bash anyone

Thats just an excuse. Nothing else, but the meaning of neutral is not that for sure.

 

[he-man]

@Umair Nawaz

bhaisaab aap to ban hi ho gaye??

 

[Slav Defence]

Thats just an excuse. Nothing else, but the meaning of neutral is not that for sure.

Look man,if you disagree with above analysis I don't mind,but why are you getting aggressive when I have already mentioned my intentions,if my context would be of offensive/aggressive nature,I will not declare it as neutral analysis.

This may have dishearten to those army officers who were sincere and when become eye witness of such issues,have decided to leave due to image rupture of dignified image of Indian army just because of few black sheep.

If I would be offensive,I will never discuss of IA with respect,now kindly stop deviating us from OP.

 

[jaibi]

@jaibi .. you are right... IA gets average people, and its not first choice among Indian youth... where as probably PA attracts far better candidate from your pool ...

Yes, hinduguy, my interest in the phenomena is because I believe it provides a great case study to study the pressures being faced by the military in a changing environment and technology. My nana, a PAF veteran, used to say that premature retirements were an alien concept to the armed forces and were only even considered in the direst of circumstances. Pakistani or Indian military, now the idea of military life is seen more as a job rather than a way of life and perhaps due to the global culture I believe that this problem is affecting all militaries.

 

[jaibi]

Totally alarmist and sensationalist writing!

So then, I think this is the right time for Pakistan to attack and capture Kashmir as the IA has become defunct and a rag tag circus of bimbos! A classical 'Hindu Banya' Army. So what is the PA waiting for?

Orion you seem to have misunderstood the article is an academic one written by a P.hD student Dinesh Kumar, it's not at authored by Pakistanis, I would suggest that you read the article. My posting of the article was purely academic and not political.

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@Capt.Popeye

I have also read and heard of such news,especially of Indian soldiers committing suicide.Before I continue my suggestion,I want to make one point very clear,that my analysis is neutral and not to offense or bash Indians,if anyone agrees/disagrees..he/she is welcome..however iimmature response will not be tolerated.

Now coming to my point there are various psychological factors upon which I would like to shed some light,but one aspect is which I want to highlight is the deployment of Indian soldiers on borders,mainly Kashmir border.
I have seen various news which describes of Indian army men's suicide in Kashmir border the most,because of following psychological reasons:

-They are away from their families for days.
-Some analysts accuse and give reasons of their 'guilt' for murdering innocent civilians..this is not my analysis,so kindly do not bash me.

-Another reason which we may assume is of some internal crimes,like wife swapping cases etc,this may have dishearten to those army officers who were sincere and when become eye witness of such issues,have decided to leave due to image rupture of dignified image of Indian army just because of few black sheep.

So as a solution I suggest:

-Time duration of deployment of soldiers must be reduced,and replaced...ie if soldier is deployed for 6 months then his duration must be reduced to 2 months and must be replaced by soldier B..this will give you fresh minds not only but also frustration and desperation will be eased.

-A special task committee must be established and deployed in Kashmir borders whose key responsibly is to check if Indian soldiers have murdered civilians etc,if any soldier approached with such complain of his group,then it must be listened and investigated.

-The same strategy must be applied for resolving cases mentioned above,but the only difference that above mentioned committee will be deployed in Kashmir borders while this committee is settled for resolving internal crimes and provided safeguards to eye witnesses of Indian soldiers.





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http://kashmirvoice.org/?p=1245
400 Indian Soldiers Committed Suicide in 3 Years | PKKH.tv
Stress-prone Indian soldiers
http://www.kashmiri-cc.ca/misc/SITHUMAN.htm
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I have represented my neutral analysis,kindly do not respond back in JAHILANA tone.I meant no offence on anyone once again.

I agree that a much more politically aware training especially for the soldiers posted in the insurgency areas is needed. Secondly, like the US military both Pakistan and India need to make professional mental health accessible for not only the military personnel but their families as well.

 

[jaibi]

officer posts are filled with entrances and phisical examinations already vacancies are being notified and filled accordingly..4http://joinindianarmy.nic.in/

Neehar, the focus is not just the turnout it is also the quality of training they receive so it's also about the output.

 

[Slav Defence]

Orion you seem to have misunderstood the article is an academic one written by a P.hD student Dinesh Kumar, it's not at authored by Pakistanis, I would suggest that you read the article. My posting of the article was purely academic and not political.

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@Capt.Popeye



I agree that a much more politically aware training especially for the soldiers posted in the insurgency areas is needed. Secondly, like the US military both Pakistan and India need to make professional mental health accessible for not only the military personnel but their families as well.

Totally agreed my friend,we must work on advanced approach to ease the frustration and accept our mistakes to avoid such incidents in future.

 

[jaibi]

The dependence on Officers, even Junior Officers is again a Colonial Vestige. When in fact the institution of both the NCOs and the JCOs (which is peculiarly South Asian, btw) can be well utilised instead in Junior Leadership. There is an over-dependence on Officers in our systems, which I consider to be flawed. In the technical branches of the IA for instance,e.g. in the EME and Signals; I'v seen exceptional men at JCO level and to a lesser extent at NCO level who could carry out any task of Junior Leadership. Mind you; I'm speaking of about 30 years ago. But the existing system does not allow for that at all. Atleast the one that I know of, from earlier.

As for the links; I've had no luck with them so far, so I'll see later.

There is a great deal of grousing about falling standards etc. Partly valid and partly not so. The raw materials are themselves changing, hence the production methods also should be adapted accordingly. As well as tinkering with the product-mix.

But notwithstanding purported shortages; the Military Estts. in the neighborhood are simply bloated. Some judicious paring-down is required.



The dependence on Officers, even Junior Officers is again a Colonial Vestige. When in fact the institution of both the NCOs and the JCOs (which is peculiarly South Asian, btw) can be well utilised instead in Junior Leadership. There is an over-dependence on Officers in our systems, which I consider to be flawed. In the technical branches of the IA for instance,e.g. in the EME and Signals; I'v seen exceptional men at JCO level and to a lesser extent at NCO level who could carry out any task of Junior Leadership. Mind you; I'm speaking of about 30 years ago. But the existing system does not allow for that at all. Atleast the one that I know of, from earlier.

As for the links; I've had no luck with them so far, so I'll see later.

There is a great deal of grousing about falling standards etc. Partly valid and partly not so. The raw materials are themselves changing, hence the production methods also should be adapted accordingly. As well as tinkering with the product-mix.

But notwithstanding purported shortages; the Military Estts. in the neighborhood are simply bloated. Some judicious paring-down is required.

Capt. I agree that the JCO and NCO is a colonial inheritance that our respective militaries have have had to work upon; however, whether that is truly a bad or good thing it debatable. It's not a necessary evil as you argue, in my view. The military institution is innately autocratic and by its nature it cannot change drastically, it evolves. The raw materials are changing, exactly, they are in the process of changing and so is the military: it's a process and will take time.

This time is what causes the problem in the first place, if you've been in the military Capt. you know that it's not at all easy to change or allow for ideas to transverse upward in the military. Thus, the officer attrition is not just a problem for now, it's a problem that will effect the military onwards much like bad oil in the machinery it takes time to run out of the system.

Regarding you point on technology, see, India does not have static defence needs like most of Europe and the US mainland so technology itself might supplement the military, no doubt, but it will not address the officer problem. Why? Simply because of the nature of India's defence needs. India needs a great human element to address the insurgency and a potentially sympathetic population to anti-national interest (Maoists, Kashmiris etc) on that plane technology will not help, the officer will help and much research on the post-9/11 military affairs shows that over and over again. Our military has also had to learn this lesson the hard way.