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Looks like he is going to investigate all ur secret military asserts and locations with gps measurements .
@Stephen Cohen and other Indian military enthusiast
Also @Stephen Cohen - would you be so kind as to tag other Indian members? I don't really know the names of many of them
As part of the initiative set forth by @Manticore - I'm trying to provide some more in-depth military information. Stephen Cohen requested a analysis and ratio outlook for a typical artillery regiment, so I took his request one step further.
If anything is wrong here, please let me know, some of the info may be a bit outdated, but it should still present a clear outlook. Try not to get too upset is something is wrong.
Thanks
SvenSvensonov
Artillery Divisions in Indian Army
Therefore, as against the general perception, Indian Army has three instead of two artillery division. And each of them it seems has been assigned to army’s three Strike Corps. A synopsis of the same is as follows:
- 40 Artillery Division – This was the first artillery division to be raised; was raised towards end of 90s decade. The division is part of 2 Corps and I think has its headquarters in Ambala.
- 41 Artillery Division – It was raised in 2002 in Pune. This comes under the aegis of Southern Command and is supposed to be under the control of 21 Corps.
- 42 Artillery Division – Raised somewhere towards end of last decade. The division is currently based out of Alwar (in Rajasthan) and falls under the aegis of Jaipur headquartered South-Western Command. It is supposed to be under the control of 1 Corps. However, as per media reports the division is moving to a location close to Jaipur.
Excerpt –
In a major strategic decision the Indian Army has decided to shift its 42 Artillery Division of the Jaipur-based South Western (SW) Command to Bassi, 25 km from the Rajasthan capital. The new location is much closer to Jaipur as compared to its present location in Alwar, about 160 km from the Pink City.
(Source:Army's SW Command to move closer to Jaipur : West, News - India Today)
Equipment Profile
The fiasco around the Field Artillery Rationalization Plan (FARP) is too well known to warrant any repeat here. Therefore, the first question that comes to mind about these artillery divisions is the equipment they are holding – given the state of affair with Indian artillery procurement saga, what is the effectiveness of these divisions and can they fulfill their mandate.
Tube Artillery - My take on the situation is that a gun is a gun is a gun – yes, there are modern guns out there with heavier caliber and computer assisted operations to increase efficiency and accuracy but, that does not mean that 130 mm M-46 cannot do its task(s). Shell fired from M-46 guns will travel lesser and weigh less but it will visit destruction on the enemy nonetheless. And concentration of medium guns has increased in the army.
Earlier, an Infantry Division had 1 x Medium regiment + 3 x Field Regiments + 1 x Light Regiment – where Field Regiments fielded the 105 mm IFG and Medium Regiment had the 130 mm M-46 or 155 mm Bofors. The Light Regiments were (are) equipped with 120 mm Mortars. The above would mean that Field Regiments to Medium Regiments ratio in IA is ~3:1 and at one point in time, that might well have been the case.
But from what I’ve read, India had imported anywhere between 400-1,000 M-46 in early 90s on break-up of USSR – and at throwaway prices (again, there was once a lively discussion on BRF on this). This allowed IA to phase out older M-46 as well as convert Field Regiments to Medium Regiments. So, in my opinion, today the ratio between Field and Medium Regiments is something like 1.5:1. This in itself represents a quantum leap in offensive firepower.
Also, we need to appreciate the fact that with advent of Artillery Combat Command and Control System (ACCCS) – Project Shakti – IA is in a far better position to extract maximum bang for the buck. Kargil showed what concentrated firepower can do to the adversary – and that is what exactly ACCCS will allow IA to do – concentrate the firepower of all available guns in a given sector on an objective.
So, as far as the Tube Artillery is considered, these divisions are likely to be equipped with Medium Regiments with M-46 and some Bofors Regiments.
Rocket Artillery -
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This is one aspect of artillery where the army had not shown too much enthusiasm – till the advent of Smerch System, IA had grand total of 5 x Rocket Regiments equipped with BM-21 GRAD MBRL system. One school of thought says that IA was not exactly pleased with the ‘spray and pray’ kind of accuracy offered by BM-21 type of systems. Other thought says that we did not have the finances to procure and sustain the stock for massive volume of usage (of rockets) associated with these systems. Howsoever the case may be, IA did not see induction of this system beyond the initial 5 x Regiments.
Today, IA has options and resources to address both the areas of concern – systems like Smerch and Pinaka come with rockets with very high accuracy level and IA is not exactly short of funds. The induction of systems like Smerch and Pinaka (and planned longer range versions of Pinaka) indicates that IA looks at these weapon systems as tools to hit deep behind the forward line of enemy troops. This sits quite well with the concept of ‘maneuver by fire’ – where long range firepower delivered by the modern Rocket Artillery can produce advantageous position for own troops.
Holding of Rocket Artillery
In terms of holding of Rocket Regiments, the excerpt from Parliamentary Standing Committee Report-2009-10 tabled in 15 Lok Sabha gives a good indication:
3.10 When enquired about the authorized and existing number of guns, missiles and rocket systems, the Ministry in a written reply submitted as under:-
“Army is presently authorized 216 regiments which comprise of 180 Field and Medium Regiments, 25 Light Regiments, 10 Rocket Regiments and one Cruise Missile Regiment. All these units are existing except two rocket Regiments which are in the process of raising. Out of these, superior firepower units with enhanced range currently comprise of only three Multiple Rocket Launching Regiments and one Cruise Missile Regiment.”
3.11 On number and type of guns, missiles and rockets produced indigenously and imported during the last three years, the following information was made available to the Committee:
“1. Equipment imported in the last three years :-
(a) Guns. Nil.(b) Missiles. Nil (Being procured through a Joint Venture).(c) Rocket. Three regiments of Multiple Rocket Launching System each having 12 Launchers.
2. Equipment procured indigenously in the last three years :-
(a) Guns. Nil.
(b) Missiles. Through joint venture, a Cruise Missile Regiment comprising of four launchers has been raised.
So, from the above report one can ascertain that IA was authorized 10 x Rocket Regiments.
The breakdown of the same is follows:
- BM-21 GRAD – 5 x Rocket Regiment – DRDO has developed a long range (35 km) rocket for these systems as against their earlier range of 20 kms.
- Smerch – 3 x Rocket Regiments – each Regiment with 12 x Launchers
- Pinaka -2 x Rocket Regiments – these were being raised at the time of the above report but are now operational. I will come to that in a short while.
From what I’ve been able to ascertain, the distribution of Smerch and Pinaka is as follows:
-Each of the Artillery Division has 1 x Smerch Rocket Regiment
-41 AD and 42 AD each have one Pinaka Rocket Regiment
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As per the media reports, IA plan to induct 2 x Pinaka Regiment per year in the 2013-2017 Defense Plan. The above coupled with longer range versions of Pinaka will represents a quantum increase in firepower.
So, apart from Tube Artillery, these Artillery Divisions have a healthy holding of Rocket Regiments.
Missile Regiments – As the PSCD Report 2009-10 states; IA had raised a Cruise Missile Regiment with four launchers. The first Brahmos Regiment is the 861 Missile Regiment and a contingent from this Regiment actually took part in Republic Day Parade. And the formation sign on the launcher says that the Regiment is part of 40 Artillery Division.
Since the raising of this Missile Regiment, IA has raised 2 more regiments with second being numbered as 862 Missile Regiment and third likely to be numbered as 863 Missile Regiment (guess based on continuity). The three Missile Regiments are equipped with Block 1 and Block 2 version of the Brahmos Missile. It is likely that other two artillery divisions also have 1 x Missile Regiment. The Block 3 version of the missile, customized for attacking targets in mountainous areas, is most likely to be part of fourth artillery division to be raised under Eastern Command.
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Surveillance and Target Acquisition (SATA) Assets – In order to fully harness the potential of modern artillery, detection and acquisition of targets is of utmost importance. Equally important is location of enemy artillery assets for Counter Battery Fire (CBF).
Traditionally, artillery brigade of an Infantry Division had organic SATA Battery. However, given the mandate and equipment profile of an artillery division, it is important it has more assets in this domain. This will allow it not only effectively utilize organic artillery assets but control the assets from other formations in the battle area.
India has acquired Weapon Locating Radar (WLR) from USA (AN/TPQ-37) and DRDO has developed an indigenous one based on Rajendra Fire Control Radar of Akash SAM. In addition, IA today operates various UAVs which can assist in real time data gathering and dissemination. When these sensors are plugged into ACCCS/Project Shakti, the ability to respond in real time increases dramatically.
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The Prithvi Missile Question – Ever since the advent of artillery divisions in IA, it has been assumed and written by various authors that Prithvi Missile Group(s) is/are part of these artillery divisions. I have a contrary opinion based on two reasons. The same are as follows:
Role of Prithvi Missile – Ever since its induction, the Prithvi Missile in Indian context has been supposed to have strategic role i.e. carrier of nuclear warhead. The missile itself has gone various iterations in terms of range and guidance but there has been no communication (in public domain) by Government of India or Ministry of Defense on the change in the role of Prithvi Missile. Another indication of the same is that all trials of Prithvi Missiles are carried out by formations from Strategic Forces Command and to date; I don’t think any test has been done by the user in the Thar Desert to test the missile in tactical role.
Artillery Division has a conventional role and is accordingly equipped. For example, at no point in time has India claimed that it will arm Brahmos with nuclear warhead – even if ability to fabricate tactical nuclear weapon may well exist with Indian nuclear establishment.
Moving Prithvi Missile from strategic to conventional role without explicit statement to the effect can create serious consequences in times of crisis.
For example, in case of another Operation Parakram, artillery divisions along with Prithvi Missile (if the same is part of artillery division) will need to mobilize. Given the range of this missile, it will need to move quite a bit forward so as to be employed in opening sequence of any war – for example, taking on airfields and POL depots. Now, Pakistan (and USA with ubiquitous eyes in sky) may well construe this as preparation for nuclear war-fighting by India and react accordingly. Pakistan will not know if the incoming missile is tactical or nuclear armed.
Such kind of ambiguity goes against the grain of Confidence Building Measure (CBM) – if India moves Prithvi Missiles into Tactical Battlefield Missile (TBM) role, I think it needs to inform Pakistan in advance and remove any ambiguity on the role front.
Prithvi Missile formation sign – We again return tothe formation sign route; if one observes the formation sign on Prithvi Missiles in RD Parade or otherwise, one sees them with formation sign of Strategic Forces Command (SFC).
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Conclusion –
Based on the data points captured above, we can reach the following conclusion about the artillery divisions in the Indian Army –
(1) The raising of these artillery divisions represents a shift in the war-fighting philosophy of the IA. Artillery, in all its manifestation, is seen as a Combat Arm with the ability to shape battlefield and decide on the outcome.
(2) ‘Maneuver by Fire’ is going to be one of the tenets of war-fighting where IA will look to apply disproportionate firepower to both degrade and destroy the combat capability of the enemy – and artillery divisions are central to this philosophy.
(3) The ability to concentrate firepower becomes still more critical if the IA wants to execute the Cold Start Doctrine (CSD) – Integrated Battle Groups will have to be supported by high volume of fire to help them achieve their objective in shortest time possible.
(4) As the new Tube Artillery starts to come in (no smirks here, please - a man can dream), these artillery divisions will achieve yet higher ability to destroy the enemy even before contact is established with own troops.
(5) Rocket artillery has gained traction and Pinaka is a great success. IA is looking forward to enhanced range version of current system along with weapon system in Smerch category. Given the various arrays of warheads on these systems, IA has great flexibility in terms of target choice and decimation. My guess-estimate is that after the artillery division, infantry divisions may well see induction of at least 1 x MBRL battery in their artillery bde.
(6) Brahmos equipped Missile Regiments are already a part of artillery divisions. This is a high performance and expensive system and is likely to be limited to 1 x Missile Regiment per Division. Brahmos is like a 290 km sniper which will be used to take out C&C nodes and other such targets of critical importance.
(7) India has recently tested the Prahaar TBM – this Mach 2+ missile with declared range of 150 km is one of the most exciting systems to come out of DRDO stable. In my opinion, this missile will be the mainstay of Tactical Missile Regiments of IA and will fill the role between 290 km expensive Brahmos Missile and 90 km range Smerch (and planned derivation of Pinaka).
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(8) Going ahead, an artillery division is likely to see a Composite Missile Brigade with 1 x Brahmos Missile Regiment +1/2 x Prahaar Missile Regiments.
(9) All the weapon systems taken together allow an artillery division commander to target objectives from 30 km to 300 km – the sheer flexibility of options available are mind-boggling and allow a Strike Corps to achieve much more.
Artillery guns is the one area where we suck but the situation will improve in coming years
Tube artillery is the area that let's the Arty corps of the IA down badly but, as you have said, this is being addressed now (finally) the story will be very different in 5 years time and the one silver lining to this will be that in one foul swoop the IA's Arty corps will be state of the art almost overnight as the MGS, Towed Arty, ULH etc will all be bought around the same time so the Arty corps will effectively be brand new in 5 years time.Artillery guns is the one area where we suck but the situation will improve in coming years
We are really good we have lot of good towed and self propelled artillery and also MRLS and there are reports we are getting lot of new ones and getting older ones upgraded@SvenSvensonov - Now do one on us !
I want to know where does our Artillery stand viz a vie the Indians !
Nice Thread. Really good effort.
Now do one on Pakistan as well
Left to right: a combined cluster of anti-armor and incendiary bomblets, a warhead loaded with incendiary cluster, a load of penetrating darts and prefragmented, unitary blast-fragmentation charge.
Tube artillery is the area that let's the Arty corps of the IA down badly but, as you have said, this is being addressed now (finally) the story will be very different in 5 years time and the one silver lining to this will be that in one foul swoop the IA's Arty corps will be state of the art almost overnight as the MGS, Towed Arty, ULH etc will all be bought around the same time so the Arty corps will effectively be brand new in 5 years time.