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No, there was a confrontation and people were being heckled and taunted

Yes the confrontation was about those kar sevak pilgrims in the train having misbehaved with some Muslims at the Godhra railway station, especially with some Muslim women. And so a Muslim mob set out after the train but they did not burn it. From this article :
Some passengers, listed as witnesses in the chargesheet, spoke about the rowdy behaviour of the karsevaks. "We were forced to sleep on the passages despite having valid reservations," stated a passenger.

The evidence provided by Sajjanlal Mohanlal Raniwal, the ticket examiner on Sabarmati Express, mentions how he was stopped from entering the coaches by activists of Vishwa Hindu Parishad and Bajrang Dal, who had forcibly occupied the reserved seats. Raniwal was forced to spend the night in the guard's coach.

Raniwal witnessed an altercation between karsevaks from coach S6 and some others on the Godhra platform before the train left the station. But none of the statements mentions what exactly happened on platform no. 1 during the train's five-minute halt, widely reported as an altercation between karsevaks and Muslim vendors from Signal Falia. Nor do the documents throw any light on what took place after the chain pulling and how long the train was detained before it finally left platform no. 1.

The assistant driver reported to the engine driver that the alarm chain had been pulled in four coaches but he did not know who had done it.

Advocate Yusuf Charkha, who is representing Bilal and Kalota, says the chargesheet is silent on important events preceding the actual burning of coach S6. There are no details on the altercation between the karsevaks and Muslim vendors on the platform. The karsevaks refused to pay for the tea and abused the vendors. A few minutes after the train moved, the alarm chain was pulled, and a few hundred Muslims gathered at the station and started pelting stones at the karsevaks, who also retaliated. Timely intervention by the railway police prevented further untoward incidents and the train left after a few minutes.
These kar sevaks were not some innocent people but as aggressive and criminal-minded as kanwariya pilgrims who every year misbehave with people they pass by on the road.

And please read the below.

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About the train burning.

From this article :
The inquiry commission's findings contradicted an earlier probe by retired Supreme Court judge Umesh Chandra Banerjee, who found that the coach fire was not deliberately started.

He concluded in 2005 that the fire began by accident.

He said there was evidence to suggest the blaze began inside the train and that it was not fire-bombed.


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Dr Dahiya, who, along with scientific officer M.N. Joshi, re-enacted the incident with a railway coach at the spot of the crime, however, concludes that no inflammable liquid was thrown from outside into coach S6. Nor was there any possibility of it being splashed inside from the doors.

The height of the coach windows from ground level at the crime spot was found to be seven feet, which made throwing of inflammable liquid using a bucket or jerrycan next to impossible. The experts tried this from a three-feet elevation, some 14 feet away from where the coach was burnt. Hardly 10-15 per cent of the water used for the purpose got inside the coach, the rest spilling over to the tracks.

"Under such circumstances, coach S6 should have caught fire from outside, the fire engulfing it from below, with the inflammable liquid pooled around the tracks. But the inspection of the tracks and burning pattern on the exterior of coach S6—which had no burn marks below the window level—confirm that the inflammable liquid did not come from outside."

The experts also poured nearly 60 litres of water inside the coach and found none of it spilling over from the open door or reaching the toilets. The report finally concludes that to bum the coach, in the February 27 pattern, 60 litres of inflammable liquid had to be splattered inside the coach using a big container from the passage adjoining seat no. 72. Whodunit? Only further investigations will tell.

The inspection report confirms heavy stone pelting on the burnt coach from the southern side of the tracks. Stones were also found scattered inside the coach. The window panes on one side had been shattered by stones while those on the northern side had melted in the fire.

Three doors of the coach were open at the time of the incident. This again is at variance with the initial statement that all doors had been bolted from inside. All windows were closed. There was no attempt to break the window grills from outside. They had been broken from inside or had melted in the fire. The burning pattern inside the coach, its spread, intensity and effect on the floor, described as 'alligatoring' pattern, indicate that the fire spread rapidly, burning 80 per cent of the coach. There was no evidence of
acid-like, quick burning liquid being used, according to the report.


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New Delhi, Jan 17 (PTI) The high-level inquiry into the blaze in a train in Godhra in which 59 persons were burnt to death that led to subsequent violence in Gujarat in 2002 has found that it was an "accidental fire".

"With the elimination of the 'petrol theory', 'miscreant activity theory' as well as the ruling out of any possibility of 'electrical fire', the fire in S-6 coach of Sabarmati Express can at this stage be ascribed as an 'accidental fire'," Justice U C Banerjee committee, appointed by Railway Minister Lalu Prasad, said in its report.

The report was submitted to Railway Board Chairman R K Singh here today.

Noting that there has been a preponderence of evidence that the fire originated in the coach itself without any external input, the committee "completely ruled out" possibility of an inflammable liquid having been used as there was first a smell of burning, followed by dense smoke and flames thereafter.

"This sequence is not possible in case the fire is caused by inflammable liquid thrown on the floor of the coach or an inflammable object thrown from outside the coach", the two-part interim report said.

The Committee headed by a former Supreme Court judge U C Banerjee was constituted on September 4 last year following a Union Cabinet decision to inquire into certain aspects of the incident of fire on the Ahmedabad-bound Sabarmati Express at Godhra on February 27, 2002.

The initial term of the committee was for a period of three months and was subsequently extended by another three months.

The Committee said that the 'inflammable liquid theory' also was negated by the statement of some of the passengers who suffered injuries on the upper portion of the body and not the lower body and who crawled towards the door on elbows and could get out without much injury.

Observing that the report could be "unpalatable for the railways whose entire approach seemed to be casual", Banerjee told reporters that there had been a failure on the part of the Railways and the Commissioner of Railway Safety to conduct a statutory inquiry into the accident.

"This was in breach of the Railway Act as well as the Accident Manual of the Zonal Railway", it said.

The report said that the Railway administration had also not made any concerted effort to preserve clues of the incident.

In particular, the Committee criticised the onward travel to Ahmedabad of S-7 coach despite some damage to it and despite it being a crucial piece of evidence. "In fact, the damaged portion of S-7 has been disposed of as scrap", it said.

The entire hierarchy of Western Railway came in for severe criticism for pre-judging the issue by describing the fire incident as a "miscreant activty without conducting even a preliminary inquiry".

The Committee noted that neither the then Railway Minister nor Members of the Board visited the site of the accident or the injured passengers.

The Committee said that on the basis of available evidence it was "unbelievable that 'Kar Sevaks' (to the extent of 90 per cent of total occupants) armed with 'Trishuls', would allow to get themselves burnt without a murmur by miscreant activity like a person entering S-6 coach from outside and setting the coach on fire".

It noted the forensic laboratory's experiment and verified its conclusion that it was "impossible to set fire to the train from outside".

The Committee has received evidence of cooking inside the coach by Kar Sevaks.

The Committee in its report said that "on the basis of evidence available on record it was found that the train left the platform at around 07.48 a.M. And stopped on account of vacuum failure in some coaches and the train started again at about 08.00 a.m.

"Relying on the Survey of India Mapping of Distances and given the speed of the train at that time, the Committee noted that the engine ought to take about five minutes time to be near the post at 468/19 and the Guard's coach at 468/45. It is at this juncture that the smoke was not only noticed but had been reported to GRP, RPF and Vadodara Control".

"There was thus no scope for any miscreant activity from any external agency during this period", it report said.

The Committee observed that the response of the Godhra Fire Brigade was "most unsatisfactory" not only in terms of delayed arrival but also in terms of high percentage of "ineffective fire engines and non-functioning of the motor pumps" of the fire tenders which were rushed to the accident site.

"A fire which could have been doused in four to six minutes time, took very much longer resulting in heavy loss of lives", the Committee noted.

Though the matter had not been concluded, the Committee felt it necessary to submit an interim report to the Central Government concerning the principal issues as to the causes of fire on the basis of the materials available as of date, the report said.
This mentions the cooking part.

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@IMARV @Capt. Karnage
 
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So we have kids around here threatening with mom insults !!

Isn't this thread more related to beheading than Godhra kid?
I replied to earlier argument. And this thread is about..... Forget it..
 
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Yes the confrontation was about those kar sevak pilgrims in the train having misbehaved with some Muslims at the Godhra railway station, especially with some Muslim women. And so a Muslim mob set out after the train but they did not burn it. From this article :

These kar sevaks were not some innocent people but as aggressive and criminal-minded as kanwariya pilgrims who every year misbehave with people they pass by on the road.

And please read the below.

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About the train burning.

From this article :



From this article :



From this article :

This mentions the cooking part.

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@IMARV @Capt. Karnage
Jamahir, neither you nor me was present there.

No point getting caught up in the minutia of any particular incident, we'll keep going around in circles forever.

Back on topic, yes, religious fanaticism is bad, already agreed on that one, and India should support France in it's fight against radical Islam and their pathetic smear campaign.

Now go and buy some French wine, cheese and meats to support them. Get some pâté if you don't want to go full haram (I'm not islamophobic)
 
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Jamahir, neither you nor me was present there.

No point getting caught up in the minutia of any particular incident, we'll keep going around in circles forever.

You and me will not be present during other crimes / incidents too, so should that prevent us from getting to sensibly know the truth ?

I have only posted from multiple sources what has been found scientifically.

Back on topic, yes, religious fanaticism is bad, already agreed on that one

Agreed.

and India should support France in it's fight against radical Islam and their pathetic smear campaign.

1. "Radical Islam" is not True Islam. "Radical Islamists" are misinformed about True Islam which in turn is not so much or only about praying and fasting in a certain fashion but more to do with enabling a welfare state society.

2. India should support France in eliminating terrorists in Syria who were landed there 2011 onward by France itself.

3. India should eliminate religious extremism in India itself and begin on the path to "Socialist" and "Secular" that are part of the Constitution.
 
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You and me will not be present during other crimes / incidents too, so should that prevent us from getting to sensibly know the truth ?

I have only posted from multiple sources what has been found scientifically.
No, but this will then lead into an endless debate where we keep going around in circles posting "credible" and "scientific" sources from our preferred perspective lol

leave it, ugly episode and should never happen again.

:)

1. "Radical Islam" is not True Islam. "Radical Islamists" are misinformed about True Islam which in turn is not so much or only about praying and fasting in a certain fashion but more to do with enabling a welfare state society.
down with the both of them then :P

but you know what is implied when we say 'radical islam' ... the ultra religious beards/burka types.

they cut themselves off from society when they adopt those ways, with SIkhs and other minority groups like xtians, parsis.. not so much, in fact.. not at all.

2. India should support France in eliminating terrorists in Syria who were landed there 2011 onward by France itself.
agree, Bashar is the legitimate leader of Syria, help him win the war and help fix that country.

3. India should eliminate religious extremism in India itself and begin on the path to "Socialist" and "Secular" that are part of the Constitution.
yes

no.
 
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Would the Indian government also "deplore" the decpicable attack on Turkish president by same French so called magazine which now has got French government support.
 
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Would the Indian government also "deplore" the decpicable attack on Turkish president by same French so called magazine which now has got French government support.
lol, that pic was hilarious :rofl::rofl::rofl:

everyone go look up what Charlie Hebdo did with Erdogan... ahahahha :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:
 
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Dear muslims, crying Islamophobia is not going to help you, changing your ways will. Although it's deplorable to hurt the religious sentiments of anyone but that doesn't mean they can behead or bomb people for it.
We have changed our way boycotting is enough to hurt who hurts our sentiments
Those groups are full of idiots and retards but they never were involved in rioting or killings. All riots in India were started by muslims. It's only because of them we are now being ruled by a moron like modi.
Yeah all riots were started by Muslims like Malegaon bombings were done by Muslims
This boycott of French products won't even last 2 weeks by these Arab countries.
Says who ?
 
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NEW DELHI: India on Wednesday came out in strong support of French President Emmanuel slammed by Turkey and Pakistan for his comments following the beheading of a French schoolteacher days after he had shown caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed to his students in France earlier this month.
In a strong statement, the Indian foreign ministry said that India “strongly" deplored “the personal attacks in unacceptable language on President Emmanuel Macron in violation of the most basic standards of international discourse."
“We also condemn the brutal terrorist attack that took the life of a French teacher in a gruesome manner that has shocked the world. We offer our condolences to his family and the people of France," it said.
“There is no justification for terrorism for any reason or under any circumstance," it added.

Macron has been slammed by Pakistan and Turkey in recent days for his comments defending the school teacher Samuel Paty. “We will continue… We will defend the freedom that you taught so well and we will bring secularism," Macron is reported to have said after the beheading of the teacher by his Chechen student on 16 October. Macron added that France would “not give up cartoons, drawings, even if others back down."

Just a few days prior to Paty’s killing, Macron had reportedly said “Islam is a religion that is in crisis today all over the world," “plagued by radical temptations and by a yearning for a reinvented jihad which is the destruction of the other."

The remarks together drew the ire of Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan.


“What problem does this person called Macron have with Muslims and Islam? Macron needs treatment on a mental level," Erdogan was reported as saying in response to Macron’s remarks.
Khan, who sees Turkey as a close ally, on his part in a Twitter post said:"This is a time when President Macron could have put a healing touch and denied space to extremists rather than creating further polarization and marginalization that inevitably leads to radicalization." The comment was in response to Macron’s comments following Paty’s death.
India views France as a strategic partner with India’s prime minister Narendra Modi seen as sharing warm ties with Macron. Last year, Macron had invited Modi to participate in the G-7 session in Biarritz. The two countries together are seen as the founder members of the International Solar Alliance. It was France that had moved a resolution in the UN Security Council following the Pulwama attack in Kashmir last year that eventually led to the designation of Pakistan based Maulana Masood Azhar as a terrorist under UN norms. France is also a key source of defence hardware for India including submarines and fighter aircraft. Next month, India is to receive another batch for four Rafale multi-role aircraft from Dassault Aviation, part of 36 aircraft ordered by India. New Delhi has already received a first batch of five Rafale in the month of July.

The strong Indian reaction in support of Macron came on a day New Delhi said foreign secretary Harsh Vardhan Shringla would be travelling to France, Germany and the United Kingdom from 29 October-04 November.
“France, Germany and UK are strategic partners of India and are nations with which India has close and well-established relations. Bilateral ties are multi-dimensional and have grown rapidly, “ a separate statement from the foreign ministry said.
“During his visit, Foreign Secretary will review bilateral relations and discuss matters of mutual interest and share Indian perspectives with his counterparts and with other key interlocutors. He will also interact with businesspersons, academics, intellectuals and media persons in these three countries. The Foreign Secretary will discuss international cooperation in dealing with the ongoing pandemic and its consequences," it said.

India's ties with France, Germany and the UK “are built on a foundation of shared democratic values and are informed by a commonality of interest in issues such as sustainable development and climate change. India has very substantial trade and commercial ties and large investment flows with these countries. India also works closely with these countries in multilateral and plurilateral platforms on various issues," the statement said.
“Indian priorities such as robust and reformed multilateralism, its expanded multilateral and plurilateral engagements including its forthcoming non-permanent tenure in the United Nations Security Council, and its commitment to a free, open and inclusive Indo-Pacific will be discussed" at each of the stops during the foreign secretary’s visit, the statement said.
Shringla’s visit to these countries “is part of India’s continuing international engagement and diplomatic outreach in spite of the limitations posed by the pandemic," it added.



LOL! :lol:
 
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