Indian forces dragged out youth from their homes to use them as human shield in Kashmir

[waz]

Well why are you bringing in the past actions of someone beings used as a human shield to support some random tweet?? Even I had personally condemned that action, and never support such actions. But let me ask you something, when did I get personal or abuse anyone as some other members do frequently without impunity ??? If you don't wish to discuss with me, that's another thing, and you can say that straight. And if you feel that I'm not a member worth this forum you can very well go ahead and ban me. After all it's your turf.

But with all due respect, let me tell you something, I've time and again read from a lot of senior members as well as moderators that random tweets can't be considered as authentic verifiable sources. But still people like to use them and are allowed just because it allows certain narrative, huh ???

What are you going on about? Your earlier post outlines how these people are pathological liars, I gave you evidence from past events that they have a right to think that these youth are being used as human shields.
With regards the personal stuff, why do you keep bringing up the whole you are a moderator business? What's that got to do with what we are discussing and it's not the first time. I'm also not going to ban you as you haven't done anything wrong.
As for the random tweets, I agree they shouldn't be taken a gospel. However in light of past events where a man was tied to a jeep and used a shield/message of sorts people do have the right to form a solid opinion on it.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Great, you prefer allying with Hindustan over your fellow Muslims. You're the type of guy who would probably call the Mahdi an evil terrorist who doesn't represent Muslims lol.

Was Rasulullah (Peace Be Upon Him) also wrong for bringing up the almighty during his sieges upon the city of Taif, or the fort of Banu Qurayza? Secularism is not a concept that exists in Islam, religion and politics have always been interwoven in our society.

If there is no country, there is no purpose of being Muslim or Hindu. The integrity of the nation is important. India is not an Islamic nation, so the Muslim, Hindu, Christian or any others must obey law of the land. Unlike in Islamic Pakistan where you can make any laws, interestingly, I wonder why Sharia is not implemented in it's true form but sham British common law is practiced. Anyway, none of my business. Also, Pakistan don't represent the Muslim world nor the Muslim in the South Asia, so we don't need your policing on every issue.

Like I said, if you want to start a discussion of Allah SWT and his Rasool, you and your country must adhere to the truth then you can preach to others about ummah.

That person (probably) isn't a Muslim (unless he recognises he is sinning and still offers namaz), Islam is more than just a Shahadah. I'm sure you are also aware of the punishments for each crime you have listed.

Yeah exactly such a person isn't Muslim, but a kafir.

 

[Hamza913]

If there is no country, there is no purpose of being Muslim or Hindu. The integrity of the nation is important. India is not an Islamic nation, so the Muslim, Hindu, Christian or any others must obey law of the land. Unlike in Islamic Pakistan where you can make any laws, interestingly, I wonder why Sharia is not implemented in it's true form but sham British common law is practiced. Anyway, none of my business. Also, Pakistan don't represent the Muslim world nor the Muslim in the South Asia, so we don't need your policing on every issue.

Like I said, if you want to start a discussion of Allah SWT and his Rasool, you and your country must adhere to the truth then you can preach to others about ummah.

Yeah exactly such a person isn't Muslim, but a kafir.

No, Islam comes before your country, Hindustan's integrity is not important to Islam and it certainly shouldn't be important to Muslims after what they've done to us.

Again, why do you keep assuming that I think Pakistan is so Islamic? You're just deflecting the subject and not answering my question.

This discussion is about why do you as a so called Muslim ally with Hindustan despite the fact that it fights against Muslims in Kashmir, Pakistan or Bangladesh. Try to answer this question WITHOUT bringing up Pakistan, and give Islamic reasons as to why such views are correct.

 

[Chhatrapati]

No, Islam comes before your country, Hindustan's integrity is not important to Islam and it certainly shouldn't be important to Muslims after what they've done to us.

Again, why do you keep assuming that I think Pakistan is so Islamic? You're just deflecting the subject and not answering my question.

This discussion is about why do you as a so called Muslim ally with Hindustan despite the fact that it fights against Muslims in Kashmir, Pakistan or Bangladesh. Try to answer this question WITHOUT bringing up Pakistan, and give Islamic reasons as to why such views are correct.

Nor does Pakistans integrity or wishes is important to Islam. My point is not the integrity of nation important to Islam rather, the integrity of the nation is important to its own citizens. Including Muslims.
The answer to your question is here ^^. If we start giving people what they wish for then there will not be a unified nation. If Muslims in Kashmir cannot follow Indian laws, they can move out. The land belongs to India.

 

[Hamza913]

Nor does Pakistans integrity or wishes is important to Islam. My point is not the integrity of nation important to Islam rather, the integrity of the nation is important to its own citizens. Including Muslims.
The answer to your question is here ^^. If we start giving people what they wish for then there will not be a unified nation. If Muslims in Kashmir cannot follow Indian laws, they can move out. The land belongs to India.

So you value your own country more than you do your fellow Muslims? Good to know, now please stop calling yourself Muslim, since clearly the title isn't appropriate for you.

 

[Robinhood Pandey]

So you value your own country more than you do your fellow Muslims? Good to know, now please stop calling yourself Muslim, since clearly the title isn't appropriate for you.

@SOUTHie congratulation !

You have been receiving fatwas left right and center.

Kaise kar lete hain aap ?

 

[Chhatrapati]

So you value your own country more than you do your fellow Muslims? Good to know, now please stop calling yourself Muslim, since clearly the title isn't appropriate for you.

Let's put it this way. If you or your ilk threaten my country with war and if I was in the army, I wouldn't hesitate to kill you irrespective if it's a Sunni, Shia or Ahmedi. Simple as that. If the enemy is within the state, neither will I show any hesitation. So, did a lot of Muslims and so will the thousands who have joined. And I don't need your certificate of piousness. You are an F'ing nobody. So, kindly refrain from arriving at conclusions based on your skewed logic.

I don't know why you lot advocate ummah at these times. Isn't it a lost concept? As seen, you calling out Iranian members and all, yet they showed you the door.

 

[graphican]

Pile of garbage! Such are India's National Defenders!

 

[Hamza913]

Let's put it this way. If you or your ilk threaten my country with war and if I was in the army, I wouldn't hesitate to kill you irrespective if it's a Sunni, Shia or Ahmedi. Simple as that. If the enemy is within the state, neither will I show any hesitation. So, did a lot of Muslims and so will the thousands who have joined. And I don't need your certificate of piousness. You are an F'ing nobody. So, kindly refrain from arriving at conclusions based on your skewed logic.

I don't know why you lot advocate ummah at these times. Isn't it a lost concept? As seen, you calling out Iranian members and all, yet they showed you the door.

Which is why I said you aren't Muslim, you don't seem to know the kind of comments Rasulullah (Peace Be Upon Him) made about people like you (I'll give you a hint, they weren't nice).

Not a single real Muslim has joined the Hindustani army. They would be as Muslim as the guys Abu Bakr (May Allah Be Pleased With Him) killed during the Ridda Wars.

I called out Iranians who support the Iranian government because they think it's Islamic, because it's not. Likewise, I'll call out Pakistanis who support the Pakistani government because they think it's Islamic, because it's not.

Ummah is the key to the success of my people, which is why we've been doing so poorly in recent history (we've rejected it).

 

[Chhatrapati]

Not a single real Muslim has joined the Hindustani army. They would be as Muslim as the guys Abu Bakr (May Allah Be Pleased With Him) killed during the Ridda Wars.

What an ignorant fool. I'll start with my grandfather. Naib Subedar Alikoya Marakkar in AOC, he served proudly in 65 war. Look at my dp. He's a Kashmiri and his name is Rifleman (Shaheed) Aurangazeb.
Lieutenant General Syed ata hasnain. I'm pretty sure all of them do not need the certificate from a clown like you. So enough with your preaching.

I called out Iranians who support the Iranian government because they think it's Islamic, because it's not. Likewise, I'll call out Pakistanis who support the Pakistani government because they think it's Islamic, because it's not.

You called out Iranians to take a potshot at them and to remind them of Ummah, which failed miserably.

Ummah is the key to the success of my people, which is why we've been doing so poorly in recent history (we've rejected it).

Without Ummah how Saudia and other ME's are doing good? Let me say why you are so low, because of your love to take shortcuts, false bravado, ego, inefficiency, and sectarian crap. To top it all off, your support for terrorists which is not giving you a nice image internationally. Not because you rejected ummah. Because you believed the Rabb would grand everything.

 

[Hamza913]

What an ignorant fool. I'll start with my grandfather. Naib Subedar Alikoya Marakkar in AOC, he served proudly in 65 war. Look at my dp. He's a Kashmiri and his name is Rifleman (Shaheed) Aurangazeb.
Lieutenant General Syed ata hasnain. I'm pretty sure all of them do not need the certificate from a clown like you. So enough with your preaching.

You called out Iranians to take a potshot at them and to remind them of Ummah, which failed miserably.

Without Ummah how Saudia and other ME's are doing good? Let me say why you are so low, because of your love to take shortcuts, false bravado, ego, inefficiency, and sectarian crap. To top it all off, your support for terrorists which is not giving you a nice image internationally. Not because you rejected ummah. Because you believed the Rabb would grand everything.

I don't care if you come from a lineage of murtads or if your DP is also a murtad.

How ironic that a guy named Aurangzeb died a murtad, fighting the Mujahideen. The real Aurangzeb would be cringing in his grave if he could. This monkey of yours is no shaheed.

They don't need my certificate, but they need Allah's (The Most Gracious and The Most Merciful) and they won't get it unless they were too stupid to know any better (which I highly doubt).

No, I called out the Iranian government.

They do good because that's what Allah (The Most Gracious and The Most Merciful) wills. Tyrants have been successful before as a trial or punishment for the rest of us, and they all eventually fell.

We are doing bad because we are not Islamic, the Ummah has been a cripple since we ceased to follow Islam properly, only a few of us are still well off and even then in a completely humiliated and degraded state, relying on others just to stay afloat. If you think you will get success by rejecting that which you know is the truth, you will find out how wrong you were one way or another.

 

[Chhatrapati]

I don't care if you come from a lineage of murtads or if your DP is also a murtad.

How ironic that a guy named Aurangzeb died a murtad, fighting the Mujahideen. The real Aurangzeb would be cringing in his grave if he could. This monkey of yours is no shaheed.

He was killed by a bunch of pigs. Don't corrupt the holy word Mujahideen for a bunch of looney terrorists. Who acts on the political interest of a nation who is not even a Caliphate.

They don't need my certificate, but they need Allah's (The Most Gracious and The Most Merciful) and they won't get it unless they were too stupid to know any better (which I highly doubt).

You don't speak for him either. How can know the will of Allah SWT? He can even let one through the sirat or make him fall. No need you to extrapolate what will be his will. So save your rants.

No, I called out the Iranian government.

They don't give a jack to even your government. pfft!

They do good because that's what Allah (The Most Gracious and The Most Merciful) wills. Tyrants have been successful before as a trial or punishment for the rest of us, and they all eventually fell.

You sound like a wannabe mullah. Please understand a mere human cannot predict Allah's SWT will. We can only assume.

We are doing bad because we are not Islamic, the Ummah has been a cripple since we ceased to follow Islam properly, only a few of us are still well off and even then in a completely humiliated and degraded state, relying on others just to stay afloat. If you think you will get success by rejecting that which you know is the truth, you will find out how wrong you were one way or another.

You ever been to Dubai/UAE? I guess you haven't, you're living in a bubble. Before it's too late, go there. See the Islamic nation.

 

[Hamza913]

He was killed by a bunch of pigs. Don't corrupt the holy word Mujahideen for a bunch of looney terrorists. Who acts on the political interest of a nation who is not even a Caliphate.


You don't speak for him either. How can know the will of Allah SWT? He can even let one through the sirat or make him fall. No need you to extrapolate what will be his will. So save your rants.

They don't give a jack to even your government. pfft!

You sound like a wannabe mullah. Please understand a mere human cannot predict Allah's SWT will. We can only assume.


You ever been to Dubai/UAE? I guess you haven't, you're living in a bubble. Before it's too late, go there. See the Islamic nation.

Ironic you mention interests of a nation, who's siding against Muslims based on national allegiances again?

I can't know the will of Allah (The Most Gracious and The Most Merciful) but I can make a fairly reasonable guess based upon the Quran and sahih hadees. Read them sometime.

Good, that makes two of us. I hate the Pakistani government far more than the Iranian one.

I lived in Qatar for four years.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Ironic you mention interests of a nation, who's siding against Muslims based on national allegiances again?

I can't know the will of Allah (The Most Gracious and The Most Merciful) but I can make a fairly reasonable guess based upon the Quran and sahih hadees. Read them sometime.

Good, that makes two of us. I hate the Pakistani government far more than the Iranian one.

I lived in Qatar for four years.

Only Ironic thing is you crying foul on the death of Muslims when your nation had done it casually. Now you are preaching to others. And I'm not siding against Muslims from Kashmir. I'm siding against the terrorists in Kashmir.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Just because few don't like us ? **** them.

Few ?

OK, but do you think God has completely abandoned others??? Whatever I know, God rewards good intentions and actions. That's more than enough for our conviction.

which God ? Elephant ? Monkey ? Cow or Snake ?