Indian deal on key Iranian port a potential check on China’s regional ambitions

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Well it is not hard to understand, India is a growing economy and when Pakistan was blocking Indian access to CAR region and AFG. India has a right to find alternate ways. INDIA also have a right to adopt counter strategy, if she feels to adopt to secure her trading and strategic routes.

Nobody is crying, India has a right to do what ever it want but just don't cry on our right on CPEC.

 

[Tom M]

Another idiot.


This is the claim:

INSTC is not through Afghanistan.​

My response:

NSTC routes transit through Afghanistan​

Futhermore,

If you still don't get it. Refer to the Trilateral Transit Agreement (TTA) and stop wasting my time.​

Here is the press release for TTA:

The three Ministers held discussions on Trilateral Agreement on Establishment of International Transport and Transit Corridor i.e. Chabahar Agreement which was signed by them on 23rd May, 2016 in Tehran in the presence of Prime Minister of India and Presidents of Iran and Afghanistan.

Source: Trilateral Meet between India, Afghanistan and Iran to Take Chabahar Agreement Further
(Press Information Bureau)​

TTA links NSTC routes via Chabahar to Zaranj in Afghanistan and then onward to Delaram and Garland highway. This provides India access to the four key cities in Afghanistan i.e. Herat, Kandahar, Kabul and Mazar-e-Sharif.

India needs routes to CARs via Afghanistan. This is an issue because Uzbekistan recently refused passage to Afghan goods on their way to China. Uzbekistan fears that Afghan routes will be used for drug trafficking — a key export of Afghanistan, emboldening the criminals-drugs-terrorists nexus and adversely impacting the security of the region.

Source: Afghanistan Struggles to Access China’s New Silk Road (Wall Street Journal, 2017)

I thought even the worst of the Idiots understood the difference between "to" and "through".

The Trilateral Agreement that you are referring to says about an access "to" various cities in Afghanistan, it's not about INSTC passing "through" Afghanistan and elsewhere.

Bandar Abbas not Chabahar is the key transit port in INSTC. Sorry, but you have serious comprehension issues I guess. LOL

 

[Beast]

India has taken over a strategically important port in Iran, giving it a potential bulwark against China’s growing influence in the region and access to Afghanistan and Europe that bypasses Pakistan.

India signed the lease on Saturday for Chabahar port in eastern Iran about 90km west of the Pakistani port of Gwadar, which is being developed by China.

Gwadar is the centrepiece of a massive Chinese infrastructure programme in Pakistan and is expected to be the site of China’s second overseas military base, according to a US Department of Defence report last year.

India and Iran signed the 18-month agreement for the first phase of the Chabahar port building after talks between Iranian President Hassan Rowhani and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in New Delhi.

Once completed, the port will open up a new sea-rail transport route between India, Iran and Afghanistan, bypassing rival and neighbour Pakistan.

Indian officials said they hoped the route would boost annual trade with Afghanistan from US$700 million to US$1 billion in three years.

New Delhi sent shipments of wheat aid to Afghanistan through Chabahar last year.

The route will run roughly parallel with the US$62 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor that links Xinjiang in China to Gwadar, which China has leased for 40 years.

The announcement from New Delhi comes as ties between India and China have been strained by territorial disputes and India’s suspicions that China is encircling India through investment in its neighbours under the “Belt and Road Initiative”.

Zhao Gancheng, a South Asia specialist at the Shanghai Institute for International Studies, said the Iranian port was part of India’s backup plan, given the lack of trust between China and India.

“If China turns Gwadar into a military port, I believe India will by all means do everything it can in the region to contain China, including using Chabahar,” Zhao said

“But now that China is not doing anything in that direction, it is too early to judge what India will do.”

New Delhi-based political commentator Madhav Nalapat said India needed a port in Iran where it was “free to trade” because Pakistan refused to allow India access to the corridor or Gwadar.

India has stressed repeatedly that the corridor passes through areas contested by both New Delhi and Islamabad. It also sees China’s port-building activities in South Asia as an attempt to create “a string of pearls” to contain India’s regional power.

India and Iran have been in talks to develop Chabahar since 2003 but they were stalled by tensions between Iran and the United States.

London-based South Asia expert Rahul Roy-Chaudhury, from the International Institute for Strategic Studies, said the new agreement was in line with the White House’s regional strategy, which sees India playing a key role in Afghanistan’s stability and security.

“This deal has more to do with Pakistan-Afghanistan rather than China, but strategically, it helps counter China’s expanding influence in the Indian Ocean,” Roy-Chaudhury said.

Tridivesh Singh Maini, assistant professor with the Jindal School of International Affairs, said the real importance of the Indian trade route through Chabahar port was to “develop an alternative narrative to the [Belt and Road Initiative]”.

“Chabahar is part of this narrative, yet New Delhi is realistic enough to realise that matching the belt and road project is a Herculean task. Iran [is providing] India with the best opportunity to link with Central Asia and Afghanistan through this port, “ he said.

But Zhao said Iran could try to limit the port’s role in global politics.

“Even if India tries to make it a strategic port of geopolitical value, its plan may not be adopted or backed by Iran, which is not interested in any kind of Sino-Indian dispute and wants economic benefits,” he said.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...-deal-key-iranian-port-potential-check-chinas

Modi doesn’t seems happy after the deal signed. lol... while the mullah of Iran is so delighted.

 

[Chhatrapati]

The International North–South Transport Corridor (INSTC) is a 7,200-km-long multi-mode network of ship, rail, and road route for moving freight between India, Iran, Afghanistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Russia, Central Asia and Europe. (Wikipedia)

Look sunshine, I told gave you facts. Afghanistan is not a member of the grouping. It's just a beneficiary. The original INSTC, it is the proposed route is given in the same wiki you quoted. Rest are the possible routes. Just like your map.

Kid, you're out of your depth. Keep embarrassing yourself.

Someone with serious comprehension issue (no wonder 50%)

 

[Khanate]

Look sunshine, I told gave you facts. Afghanistan is not a member of the grouping. It's just a beneficiary. The original INSTC, it is the proposed route is given in the same wiki you quoted. Rest are the possible routes. Just like your map.


Someone with serious comprehension issue (no wonder 50%)

Sunshin, this is your comment:

INSTC is not through Afghanistan.
​

NSTC routes transit through Afghanistan. Now cry.

Someone with serious comprehension issue (no wonder 50%)

Exhibit A of someone with serious comprehension issue:

INSTC is not through Afghanistan.​

I thought even the worst of the Idiots understood the difference between "to" and "through".

The Trilateral Agreement that you are referring to says about an access "to" various cities in Afghanistan, it's not about INSTC passing "through" Afghanistan and elsewhere.

Bandar Abbas not Chabahar is the key transit port in INSTC. Sorry, but you have serious comprehension issues I guess. LOL

 

[ni8mare]

NSTC routes transit through Afghanistan. Now cry.

No AFG

 

[Chhatrapati]

This is the claim:


INSTC is not through Afghanistan.

Yay!

My response:


NSTC routes transit through Afghanistan

You should check your state. Sunshine, they are both the same. And the original route is not through Afghanistan. They are a beneficiary. And they can still get a transit route to CAR, Iran is enough to reach CAR.

 

[Tom M]

Sunshin, this is your comment:

INSTC is not through Afghanistan.
​

NSTC routes transit through Afghanistan. Now cry.






Exhibit A of someone with serious comprehension issue:

INSTC is not through Afghanistan.​

Well you look gorgeous.

 

[faithfulguy]

Nobody is crying, India has a right to do what ever it want but just don't cry on our right on CPEC.

India should worry about benefit its own people than counter what China is doing. Why so obsessed with a country that does not even notice.

 

[Tom M]

India should worry about benefit its own people than counter what China is doing. Why so obsessed with a country that does not even notice.

ROFL.

 

[Han Patriot]

Yep they got a couple of berths to develop for 18 months because the pace of development was so slow.
The Iranians wouldn't give anything longer than 18 months and now its up to india to plough in the money to develop the bearths or face the consequences

You listen to the indian clowns and its as if iran has handed over the entire port to india as sovereign land so they can dock an indian naval force

This is is what you get when you watch too much bollywood

I think it was only for ONE berth. The main purpose was for logistics, they want to bypass Pakistan to deliver stuff to Afghanistan. The problem is, it might be cheaper jus using the existing port to deliver grain. I see the supa powa complex at play here.

India should worry about benefit its own people than counter what China is doing. Why so obsessed with a country that does not even notice.

It's the supa powa syndrome, monkey see monkey do. They think having a 'base' makes them a supa powa. The point is Iranians do not see this as a base but a commerical port berth paid by India. Only India is jumping and shouting it as a counter to Gwadar, like how they shout about Oman as counter to Gwadar. Oman is slightly more dangerous as they have berthing rights to repair ships but not permanent presence, akin to Singapore arragnement. Omani like to earn money from servicing those ships and provide logistical support. The problem is Oman is not far from India, there is no point having a replenishment point there, China needs one in Pakistan because it's a few thousand kms from China. Sometimes these Indiots do things without thinking, they just wanna show they are a supa powa.

 

[Tom M]

I think it was only for ONE berth. The main purpose was for logistics, they want to bypass Pakistan to deliver stuff to Afghanistan. The problem is, it might be cheaper jus using the existing port to deliver grain. I see the supa powa complex at play here.


It's the supa powa syndrome, monkey see monkey do. They think having a 'base' makes them a supa powa. The point is Iranians do not see this as a base but a commerical port berth paid by India. Only India is jumping and shouting it as a counter to Gwadar, like how they shout about Oman as counter to Gwadar. Oman is slightly more dangerous as they have berthing rights to repair ships but not permanent presence, akin to Singapore arragnement. Omani like to earn money from servicing those ships and provide logistical support. The problem is Oman is not far from India, there is no point having a replenishment point there, China needs one in Pakistan because it's a few thousand kms from China. Sometimes these Indiots do things without thinking, they just wanna show they are a supa powa.

Chabahar is not just a counter for Gawadar, sunny boy. India just deprived Pakistan from their 2nd biggest export destination, and Karachi ports revenue has already started to drop YOY. But Indeed, Indian's do everything without thinking.

For more details, read the article from your own Chinese source. LOL
http://www.atimes.com/article/afghan-port-shift-adds-pakistans-economic-woes/
Chabahar Port lures Afghan traffic away from Karachi

 

[nang2]

Chabahar is not just a counter for Gawadar, sunny boy. India just deprived Pakistan from their 2nd biggest export destination, and Karachi ports revenue has already started to drop YOY. But Indeed, Indian's do everything without thinking.

For more details, read the article from your own Chinese source. LOL
Chabahar Port lures Afghan traffic away from Karachi

The quoted news piece is a very interesting one. It starts with a statement: Afghanistan has shifted 80% of its cargo traffic from Pakistan’s Karachi seaport to Iran’s Bandar Abbas and Chabahar ports. But throughout the whole article, it doesn't mention how much the total cargo traffic is.

 

[MimophantSlayer]

I think it was only for ONE berth. The main purpose was for logistics, they want to bypass Pakistan to deliver stuff to Afghanistan. The problem is, it might be cheaper jus using the existing port to deliver grain. I see the supa powa complex at play here.

Nope.
Apart from our grains being cheaper than pakistani grains there are other factors as well.

India seeks transit facility for wheat export to Afghanistan

There's more to Afghanistan-pak trade than just geography and logistics, I know at a cursory glance it looks otherwise but the route through Chahbahar isn't cheaper.
There's geopolitics and pakistani bureaucracy at play that hinders trade between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Here.

Why do you suppose Afghanistan is vying for trade with India to begin with?
Don't blindly go for the obvious, "because Afghans are troublemaking traitors" pakistani rhetoric.

The point is Iranians do not see this as a base but a commerical port berth paid by India.

Yet.

The problem is Oman is not far from India, there is no point having a replenishment point there,

Says you.
I'm sure the Indian policy makers who are privy to classified info and are well versed in International relations know better than some random poster on pdf who gets his fill from Google or whatever the chinese equivalent for Google is.

Do open a map and calculate the distance between India and Oman, its not a stone's throw away either.

 

[Han Patriot]

Chabahar is not just a counter for Gawadar, sunny boy. India just deprived Pakistan from their 2nd biggest export destination, and Karachi ports revenue has already started to drop YOY. But Indeed, Indian's do everything without thinking.

For more details, read the article from your own Chinese source. LOL
Chabahar Port lures Afghan traffic away from Karachi

Yah, war torn poor Afghanistan is Pakistan's second biggest export destination? Use google next time, not indiot-pedia.

Well, if Pakistan increased tariffs, of course the trade will shift to Iran, and it is not specifically Chabahar. It's a market economy, if Gwadar can provide cheaper alternatives, then it will go back to Gwadar. Just business bhai.

The main point is Indians are harping this as a 'strategic' bulwark against Gwadar not Pakistan specifically. They think with this port they can contain China. So you invest hundreds of millions for a 1.5 years lease to send grain and fruits to an impoverished country? Just to prove you are a 'player' in Afgahnistan, that you are a supa powa?


This is indiot strategy, emotion driven, face driven, not brain driven. Iran is a close Chinese ally, they depend on Chinese assistance for nukes and military equipment. They are a node in our OBOR, Chabahar is planned to be linked to Gwadar. You seem to think Iran is your vassal state? Are you delusional of something? Do you think Iran will allow you to use the port against China? They are basically milking the Indian cow while stroking your supa powa ego as usual. Just use your brain. Iranian nuclear talks involved China, not India OK.

Nope.
Apart from our grains being cheaper than pakistani grains there are other factors as well.


Yet.



Says you.
I'm sure the Indian policy makers who are privy to classified info and are well versed in International relations know better than some random poster on pdf who gets his fill from Google or whatever the chinese equivalent for Google is.

Do open a map and calculate the distance between India and Oman, its not a stone's throw away either.

Hey I have no problem if you wanna spend hundreds of millions for 1.5 years selling subsidized grain to an impoverished nation while your population starves man.. Only an indiot is oblivious to the Iranians stroking Indian supa powa ego and milking the holy gaumata.

If the GOI is so competent, it would have known how to store grain and distribute it properly ok. Stop equating yourselves like some sort of determined, efficient supa powa. China is that country not slumdog India ok.