Indian Army's VSHORADS Contest Nears End

[Chanakya's_Chant]

Army VSHORADS contest nears end​

March 07, 2015: With systems trials of sighting systems and sensors for the VSHORADS programme complete recently in Bengaluru and Dehradun, the path is presumably clear for the commercial phase of the massive acquisition programme. The $6-billion Indian Army very short range air defence system (VSHORADS) competition, which looks to contract nearly 1,000 launcher systems and over 6,000 missiles.

The big-ticket bid is a three-way fight between the French MBDA Mistral, Sweden's Saab RBS 70 NG and Russia's KBM new generation Igla-S. Field evaluation trials of all three VSHORADS platforms were completed in Rajasthan (hot weather trials), Visakhapatnam (coastal environmental trials) and Ladakh (high altitude, cold weather trials) since 2012 and ending early last year.

The Army is looking for a system that can be deployed in multiple configurations including man-portable, fitted on a twin-launcher, based on a high-mobility vehicle, ship-based and submarine based. The weapon systems fielded have so far demonstrated several capabilities during trials, including multiple target detection and tracking by day and night, providing target acquisition to the munition, engagement of aerial targets, etc. The VSHORADS programme is seen as a crucial element of the tactical air defence upgrade effort by the Indian Army.

Source:- Army VSHORADS contest nears end - SP's Land Forces

 

[MimophantSlayer]

MBDA Mistral

Igla-S

Saab RBS 70 NG

 

[GURU DUTT]

Army VSHORADS contest nears end​

March 07, 2015: With systems trials of sighting systems and sensors for the VSHORADS programme complete recently in Bengaluru and Dehradun, the path is presumably clear for the commercial phase of the massive acquisition programme. The $6-billion Indian Army very short range air defence system (VSHORADS) competition, which looks to contract nearly 1,000 launcher systems and over 6,000 missiles.

The big-ticket bid is a three-way fight between the French MBDA Mistral, Sweden's Saab RBS 70 NG and Russia's KBM new generation Igla-S. Field evaluation trials of all three VSHORADS platforms were completed in Rajasthan (hot weather trials), Visakhapatnam (coastal environmental trials) and Ladakh (high altitude, cold weather trials) since 2012 and ending early last year.

The Army is looking for a system that can be deployed in multiple configurations including man-portable, fitted on a twin-launcher, based on a high-mobility vehicle, ship-based and submarine based. The weapon systems fielded have so far demonstrated several capabilities during trials, including multiple target detection and tracking by day and night, providing target acquisition to the munition, engagement of aerial targets, etc. The VSHORADS programme is seen as a crucial element of the tactical air defence upgrade effort by the Indian Army.

Source:- Army VSHORADS contest nears end - SP's Land Forces

so in short 1lakh dollars for 1 launcher & 6 missiles that realli expensive

 

[Tshering22]

so in short 1lakh dollars for 1 launcher & 6 missiles that realli expensive

How come we can't make this here? As in completely Indian designed and developed?

It doesn't seem to be such complex a system.

 

[GURU DUTT]

How come we can't make this here? As in completely Indian designed and developed?

It doesn't seem to be such complex a system.

well i asked the same question to myself maybe IA & IAF have still not learned there lessons

 

[Tshering22]

well i asked the same question to myself maybe IA & IAF have still not learned there lessons

IA and IAF are still dominated by foreign-commission lobbies. As much as I hate to admit it, this is the reality when you assess the Indian Navy with other arms.

 

[Ronin]

How will it work from a submarine
From the torpedo tube ? How will the radar work from underwater?

 

[GURU DUTT]

IA and IAF are still dominated by foreign-commission lobbies. As much as I hate to admit it, this is the reality when you assess the Indian Navy with other arms.

remmeber they killed trishul just for that and tried ervey dirty trik in the book to scuttle LCA & Arjun

 

[Abingdonboy]

How come we can't make this here? As in completely Indian designed and developed?

It doesn't seem to be such complex a system.

well i asked the same question to myself maybe IA & IAF have still not learned there lessons

IA and IAF are still dominated by foreign-commission lobbies. As much as I hate to admit it, this is the reality when you assess the Indian Navy with other arms.

remmeber they killed trishul just for that and tried ervey dirty trik in the book to scuttle LCA & Arjun

Before you guys go all "tin foil hat" and bash the IA and IAF please just look at the HELINA and NAG projects to see how difficult and arduous it can be to devlop these kind of systems that outsiders may claim "aren't too complex". The Indian armed forces aren't in a postion to be able to wait around forever as the DRDO develops, look at the adversories and how rapdily they are modernising, even right now India has to be running just to stand still. And also tell me which of the IN's weapons are indigenious? Yes the Barak-8 and Brahmos are products of JVs but still a lot of the IN's high-end hardware (sensors and electronics) are foreign.

It's a long path to go but India is on the right track, the picture will be very different in 10 years but let's not resort to defacto IA/IAF bashing because there is simply little utility or truth in such strawman arguments.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Before you guys go all "tin foil hat" and bash the IA and IAF please just look at the HELINA and NAG projects to see how difficult and arduous it can be to devlop these kind of systems that outsiders may claim "aren't too complex". The Indian armed forces aren't in a postion to be able to wait around forever as the DRDO develops, look at the adversories and how rapdily they are modernising, even right now India has to be running just to stand still. And also tell me which of the IN's weapons are indigenious? Yes the Barak-8 and Brahmos are products of JVs but still a lot of the IN's high-end hardware (sensors and electronics) are foreign.

It's a long path to go but India is on the right track, the picture will be very different in 10 years but let's not resort to defacto IA/IAF bashing because there is simply little utility or truth in such strawman arguments.

but please tell me why did they shut down trishul project or why dint they went in for a new version of trishul if the first one was not OK as they are going on and on with nag ATGM which also has halina but nothing is final as of yet seems like there is a valid point to make an enquiry as to why trishul project was not given the deu

 

[kaku1]

Before you guys go all "tin foil hat" and bash the IA and IAF please just look at the HELINA and NAG projects to see how difficult and arduous it can be to devlop these kind of systems that outsiders may claim "aren't too complex". The Indian armed forces aren't in a postion to be able to wait around forever as the DRDO develops, look at the adversories and how rapdily they are modernising, even right now India has to be running just to stand still. And also tell me which of the IN's weapons are indigenious? Yes the Barak-8 and Brahmos are products of JVs but still a lot of the IN's high-end hardware (sensors and electronics) are foreign.

It's a long path to go but India is on the right track, the picture will be very different in 10 years but let's not resort to defacto IA/IAF bashing because there is simply little utility or truth in such strawman arguments.

Isnt Akash and IAF Barak 8 also work as VSHORADS?

 

[Tshering22]

Before you guys go all "tin foil hat" and bash the IA and IAF please just look at the HELINA and NAG projects to see how difficult and arduous it can be to devlop these kind of systems that outsiders may claim "aren't too complex". The Indian armed forces aren't in a postion to be able to wait around forever as the DRDO develops, look at the adversories and how rapdily they are modernising, even right now India has to be running just to stand still. And also tell me which of the IN's weapons are indigenious?

Yes the Barak-8 and Brahmos are products of JVs but still a lot of the IN's high-end hardware (sensors and electronics) are foreign.

It's a long path to go but India is on the right track, the picture will be very different in 10 years but let's not resort to defacto IA/IAF bashing because there is simply little utility or truth in such strawman arguments.

I am not bashing IAF or IA. My argument is that when we can develop these systems in house (this time with a government actually interested in national defence), we should push for these techs to be designed and developed in India.

Open in to private firms. SAAB would love to tie up with an Indian firm and make them here.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Isnt Akash and IAF Barak 8 also work as VSHORADS?

I guess IA is looking for MANPADS specifically.

 

[Abingdonboy]

but please tell me why did they shut down trishul project or why dint they went in for a new version of trishul if the first one was not OK as they are going on and on with nag ATGM which also has halina but nothing is final as of yet seems like there is a valid point to make an enquiry as to why trishul project was not given the deu

The Trishul project was closed almost a decade ago now, time to move on!

Isnt Akash and IAF Barak 8 also work as VSHORADS?

They are hardly comparablw to the man-portable VSHORADS on offer, the Akash and BARAK-8 require TELs and mutliple support vehicles, this requirment for VHSHORADS is in a different catergory entirely.

I am not bashing IAF or IA. My argument is that when we can develop these systems in house (this time with a government actually interested in national defence), we should push for these techs to be designed and developed in India.

Open in to private firms. SAAB would love to tie up with an Indian firm and make them here.

The VSHORADS is an ongoing procurment that is urgently required, there is no sense in cancelling every ongoing deal and reworking it to be complient with the "Made in India" scheme- this would set back the Indian military's modernisation efforts many years. Just like this very move did with the RSH procurment, these helos should have been in service by now but instead the earliest we are going to see a LUH (Indian or foriegn) in IA/IAF hands is going to be 2020 now whilst the 30-40 year old Cheetahs and Cheetaks continue to fly long past their safe operational life spans (oh and have to be canabilized for crtical parts like rotor blades as there is no longer a supply of such ) and in the process are likely to cost the lives of many airmen- does that seem accetpable to you? This is a simply outrageous situation. You can't just reset the clock, work with what you have, make pragmatic suggestions.

 

[GR!FF!N]

about time..Either RBS-70 or Mistral(both are old missiles though) going to win.I think Russia with Igla-S already resigned when they didn't show us for last summer trial.