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[anathema]

Does anyone know what is the most distinguished/respected/decorated infantry regiment in the IA? The Gurkha,Sikh LI, Rajput, Guards, Naga,Punjab etc etc??

Has to be Sikh regment hands down (unless things have changed drastically)..Infact at one point it was the highest decorated unit in British Empire...

Second highest decorated unit might be a better question...

 

[Abingdonboy]

Has to be Sikh regment hands down (unless things have changed drastically)..Infact at one point it was the highest decorated unit in British Empire...

Second highest decorated unit might be a better question...

Sikh regiment rocks!

I just found out (thanks wiki) that the Sihk regiment and Sikh LI are TWO separate entities? What are their repstctive purposes (esp LI)?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Can anyone tell me what this means:

1st Battalion
2nd Battalion
3rd Battalion
4th Battalion
5th Battalion
6th Battalion
7th Battalion
8th Battalion
9th Battalion (Marine Commando Force)
10th Battalion
11th Battalion
12th Battalion
13th Battalion
14th Battalion
15th Battalion
16th Battalion
103 Inf Bn (TA) Sikh LI
158 Inf Bn (TA) (H&H) Sikh LI
163 Inf Bn (TA) (H&H) Sikh LI

Sikh Light Infantry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Does the Sikh LI have a separate Marine force or what? detachment to MARCOs?

 

[jha]

Can anyone tell me what this means:


Sikh Light Infantry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Does the Sikh LI have a separate Marine force or what? detachment to MARCOs?

In addition to MARCOS there was a plan to raise a new Marine force ala Marine corps by taking personnel from Army and Navy..
4 LPDs are being procured for the same purpose..I guess this 9th battalion is for that purpose only..

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Can anyone tell me what this means:


Sikh Light Infantry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Does the Sikh LI have a separate Marine force or what? detachment to MARCOs?

First of all the MARCOS are exclusively a Naval force under command of the IN. It is a Special Force staffed by Naval Officers and Ratings.
What is written above is an Army battalion earmarked as part of an Amphibious Force (i.e. to used for amphibious landings). There are some other battalions also (one being a Kumaon battalion among others, AFAIK). And may be a few others. They are battalions trained for Amphib. Ops. At present, they are being built up to Brigade strength. And there is a distinct possibility that units may be rotated through this force. Essentially they are infantrymen trained to embark to/disembark from Landing Ships/LSTs/LCMs etc. and carry some specialised equipment. But they are not a Special Force like the MARCOs who happen to be trained Frogmen/CCDT divers among other things.

 

[jamesbaldwin]

First of all the MARCOS are exclusively a Naval force under command of the IN. It is a Special Force staffed by Naval Officers and Ratings.
What is written above is an Army battalion earmarked as part of an Amphibious Force (i.e. to used for amphibious landings). There are some other battalions also (one being a Kumaon battalion among others, AFAIK). And may be a few others. They are battalions trained for Amphib. Ops. At present, they are being built up to Brigade strength. And there is a distinct possibility that units may be rotated through this force. Essentially they are infantrymen trained to embark to/disembark from Landing Ships/LSTs/LCMs etc. and carry some specialised equipment. But they are not a Special Force like the MARCOs who happen to be trained Frogmen/CCDT divers among other things.

Any idea how far along the Indian "Marine Corps" is in actual implementation? wasn't there talk of such a force stationed permantly at ANC?

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Any idea how far along the Indian "Marine Corps" is in actual implementation? wasn't there talk of such a force stationed permantly at ANC?

I'm not very clear about this so-called "Marine Corps". I do not think that it will be an independent force on the lines of the USMC. If at all, it will turn out to be Amphibious Forces of the IA (probably fixed at 1/2 brigades) that will work jointly with MARCOs who will lead the beach assaults (clearing the beaches and acting as beach-masters), that kind of thing.

ANC is a combined forces command, where the tri-services (independently) function under a joint command. And that has turned out to work successfully. So it is more of "joint-manship" than mixing up of forces.

 

[IndianArmy]

Any idea how far along the Indian "Marine Corps" is in actual implementation? wasn't there talk of such a force stationed permantly at ANC?

If I am not wrong INS Shardul, was affiliated to the 5 Armoured Regiment of the Indian Army a few years back, India army always had the Amphibious Capability but taking it to brigade Level is certainly a Confident move and an Achievement by itself, Only a Handful Of Countries have Amphibious War fare capabilities Which now Includes India... An Amphibious Operation or a tri service joint operation is nothing but a Nightmare for the enemy , Although Dedicated Ships and Aircrafts would be required to Enhance this Capability further...

Having MARCOS by our side, The Army can take its own time to professionalize itself

 

[Abingdonboy]

Any Idea whats going on with India and the JLTV? Is India planning on getting it anytime soon and in what numbers??:

In a surprise announcement, Joint Light Tactical Vehicle officials said India has signed a letter of intent to participate in the next phase of the program.

Kevin Fahey, program executive officer for ground combat systems, told reporters about the Indian agreement Tuesday at the annual conference of the Association of the US Army.

That means India joins Australia as a basic partner in the program, giving them lower costs in the EMD portion of the program if they stick with it. Canada, Israel and Britain had all expressed interest in the program and are receiving data about its performance but they have committed so far to their own national programs.


In addition to India signing up with JLTV, the U.S. is sending 17 Stryker vehicles and related forces to India later this month for two weeks of exercises, Lt. Gen. Benjamin Mixon, Army Pacific Commander told reporters here at AUSA. These truly joint operations will see Indian troops fighting from Strykers and enable to two sides to refine tactics, techniques and procedures, Mixon said.

Meanwhile, Marine Lt. Col. Ben Garza, the Marines program manager for JLTV, said the program has weight under control, regardless of other reports to the contrary. He said the smallest version, Category A, weighs in at an average of 10,600 pounds; Category B comes in 15,000 pounds; Category C weighs in at an average of 14,500 pounds.

“That’s meeting the Marine Corps requirement for transportability,” said Bill Taylor, the Marines PEO for land systems.

I asked the three JLTV officials if the fractious debate about the future of Army modernization was imperiling their program, especially given the Marines earlier concerns about weight and their warm reception for M-ATVs in Afghanistan.

“I think there is room for both programs. In fact, I think there is a need for both programs,” Taylor said. M-ATV and JLTV share 320 requirements, he noted, but JLTV has an additional 580 requirements above and beyond M-ATV for such things as internal and external power sources and ISR plug and play capabilities.

DoD Buzz | India Signs Up For JLTV

 

[Abingdonboy]

Does anyone know what is the most distinguished/respected/decorated infantry regiment in the IA? The Gurkha,Sikh LI, Rajput, Guards, Naga,Punjab etc etc??

enough said

 

[angeldemon_007]

@ Abingdonboy
I don't know what is happening in JLTV but we did signed something....according to me we should not buy JLTV....instead we should opt for domestic option...out automobile companies are capable enough to build something for our need....

We also have a couple of option right now also....my favorite is...
Shri Laksmi defense solution : VIPER & Dhruv executive

I heard we had a requirement for 800 light tactical vehicles....

 

[Abingdonboy]

@ Abingdonboy
I don't know what is happening in JLTV but we did signed something....according to me we should not buy JLTV....instead we should opt for domestic option...out automobile companies are capable enough to build something for our need....

We also have a couple of option right now also....my favorite is...
Shri Laksmi defense solution : VIPER & Dhruv executive

I heard we had a requirement for 800 light tactical vehicles....

Yes but what is the chances IA go for these^^^ (although that would be awesome !) and what would be the role of the light tactical vechiles? Because 800 is way too small to replace the 10,000s of Gypsies in IA service and anyway isn't that the Mahindra Axe's purpose (whatever the status of that is!)? Are they for SF? Are the IA even looking at above trucks seriously? so damn frustrating, such small (relatively) accusations take literally decades! Who knows what stage these processes are at, so little info is provided, they could be sitting, in a file cabinet marked 'to do' in the MoD.

 

[Abingdonboy]

+ the same company that makes the VIPER has the following customer lost on their site, any idea what they have provided to them?:

Customers
Our eminent customers are:
Indian army
Indian navy
Indian air force
Ordnance equipments factories
Ordnance parachutes factories
Ordnance clothing factories
All central paramilitary forces (BSF, CRPF, ITBP, NSG, SSB)
State police force
Indian railways

 

[Abingdonboy]

Read this, some interesting future procurements for IA, don't know if they came through but I don't think any of is has been reported on:

Partnerships
Rheinmetall Air Defence, Switzerland.
Shri Lakshmi Defence Solutions Ltd (SLDSL) has entered into an agreement with Rheinmetall Air Defence, Switzerland in February 2010, for development and production of SkyRanger Air Defence Gun Missile Weapon System, to be supplied to the Indian Army. Letter of Cooperation is attached.
Rheinmetall letter for Ministry of Defence India
Rheinmetall cover letter
Ukrinmash, Ukraine.
Shri Lakshmi Defence Solutions Ltd (SLDSL) has signed a MOU with Ukrinmash, Ukraine, for supply of 100 number of APC BTR –IV, to the Indian Army, for deployment in UN Peace Keeping Operations. Copy of MOU is attached.
MOU between Shri Lakshmi Defence Solutions Ltd (SLDSL) & Ukrinmash
GlowTrade (M) SDN BHD, Malaysia.
Shri Lakshmi Defence Solutions Ltd (SLDSL) has signed a MOU with GlowTrade, Malaysia in Dec 2009, for development and production of Multi Spectra Camouflage Nets (MSCN), for supply to the Indian Armed Forces. Copy of MOU is attached.
MOU between Shri Lakshmi Defence Solutions Ltd (SLDSL) & GlowTrade (Page 1, Page 2, Page 3, Page 4)
ITC Sporting Division HandelsgmbH, Austria.
Shri Lakshmi Defence Solutions Ltd (SLDSL) has entered into an Agreement with ITC Sporting, Austria, for supply of special clothing / items to the Indian Army, for super high altitude terrain (above 11000 feet).
Adcom Military Establishment, UAE.
Shri Lakshmi Defence Solutions Ltd (SLDSL) has entered into an agreement with Adcom for sale of 300 to 600 armored vehicles in the Middle East and South African countries. Adcom will also provide assistance SLDSL in developing LAM vehicle (Hunter) for the Indian market.
KrAZ Jsc, Ukraine.
Negotiations with KrAZ Jsc, Ukraine are in the final stages towards signing a MOU for providing KrAZ vehicle chassis (4x4, 6x6) to Shri Lakshmi Defence Solutions Ltd (SLDSL), for manufacture of bullet proof / mine protection vehicles for Indian Armed Forces, Para Military and Police Forces and UN Forces

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http://www.shrilakshmidefence.com/About-us/partnerships.html
The UN missions are particularly interesting as IA is procuring solely for UN ops? This seems odd. And the SWISS anti aircraft gun:

 

[angeldemon_007]

Yes but what is the chances IA go for these^^^ (although that would be awesome !) and what would be the role of the light tactical vechiles?

The chances IA go for these awesome vehicles is negligible.....they are meant to replace Gypsies in high threat areas.....

Because 800 is way too small to replace the 10,000s of Gypsies in IA service and anyway isn't that the Mahindra Axe's purpose (whatever the status of that is!)?

I heard this number once, so if anybody can correct or corroborate me it would be nice.....Also i didn't knew IA had 10000 gypsies, can you confirm it with something ?? I would really like IA to replace all the gypsies with these beauties...

Are they for SF?

There was a separate procurement for SF of around 100-200 vehicles and for that order tests were conducted last years between Mahindra AXE, TATA LSV, Vectra' (Ashok Leyland) & the 'Flyer' (OFB). But i don't know about the result...

Are the IA even looking at above trucks seriously? so damn frustrating, such small (relatively) accusations take literally decades!

I doubt IA would have even heard of this if trade fairs like defexpo are not organised.....