Indian Army movement plans leaked to ISI in 2014

[Jango]

If true, rather stupid move by the PA. More intelligent adversaries such as the British to the Germans would have not responded exactly and done so as if by chance. When the British cracked ENIGMA, they purposely sacrificed troops and resources along with chances for advantage to the Germans to ensure that the Germans did not figure out that their code had been cracked. That way when the time to actually use the full potential of the crack came in the Allies were able to oursmart the Germans.. the same way a more intelligent PA leadership would have moved some units and kept others back, as if acting on field recon rather than a leak; this would have kept the mole inside the Indian DGMO safe and not lost a valuable asset who would have been useful later. Still, what better to expect from part time property dealers.

I think that without properly knowing the exact size and scale of the movements from Indian and Pakistani sides, the alleged purpose of the Indian movements, the exact time frame, and the consequences of the Indian movements and the composition of the units which were moved, it is harsh to conclude that the PA did a stupid move and backed out on the mole or whatever.

Comparing it with the Enigma case is comparing apples and oranges. Enigma was being used throughout the European theater, with far reaching consequences. If the British didn't act on one piece of broken code, they could have acted on 5 more as they were sure more intercepts would come their way since all comms were coded with Enigma.

Can't really say that same was the case here. Maybe the PA had to move quickly instance, maybe there was something else going on. Again as I said previously, hard to draw conclusions without knowing the specifics.

 

[Zarvan]

Ministry of Defence uncovered snooping in South Block in 2014: Reports
Last Updated: Monday, March 2, 2015 - 16:15
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New Delhi: In what raises serious questions on the security of sensitive information in the corridors of power in Delhi, a report claimed on Monday that the Ministry of Defence had uncovered snooping in South Block in February 2014.



Sources said that a conversation between the then defence minister AK Antony and then Army chief Bikram Singh on deployment of forces along Jammu and Kashmir and Rajasthan borders got leaked.

Shockingly, the military intelligence later discovered that Pakistan’s ISI knew some part of the decisions arrived at the meeting between Antony and Singh.

Reports said that the expose had led to a debugging operation in South Block and CCTVs installed.

Besides the Ministry of Defence, the South Block also houses the Prime Minister's Office and the External Affairs Ministry.




First Published: Monday, March 2, 2015 - 13:39
Ministry of Defence uncovered snooping in South Block in 2014: Reports | Zee News

 

[acid rain]

This is actually all bullshit! It was a normal army exercise in Rajasthan and J&K which is a yearly phenomenon. Not a redeployment of troops to invade Pakistan!!!! Nothing to write home about, but the media went all berserk as usual.

Revealed after a year. .I would presume it was of a serious nature...they revealed it after destroying the mole and plugging the possible gaps.

 

[Major Shaitan Singh]

Hahha what a joke media has played and people got carried away......

The meeting was for hike in defense budget, Strategic redeployment of troops, China Pak joint threat, Parliament election etc....

Anthony was briefing General about budget and last minute changes.

There was no forward deployment to counter Pak, no drums of war etc. as election was approaching India cannot go to war at that moment.

 

[fatman17]

Could be a ploy to spread dis information. Happens all the time.

 

[Sine Nomine]

If true, rather stupid move by the PA. More intelligent adversaries such as the British to the Germans would have not responded exactly and done so as if by chance. When the British cracked ENIGMA, they purposely sacrificed troops and resources along with chances for advantage to the Germans to ensure that the Germans did not figure out that their code had been cracked. That way when the time to actually use the full potential of the crack came in the Allies were able to oursmart the Germans.. the same way a more intelligent PA leadership would have moved some units and kept others back, as if acting on field recon rather than a leak; this would have kept the mole inside the Indian DGMO safe and not lost a valuable asset who would have been useful later. Still, what better to expect from part time property dealers.

I agree with you but it happens all the time,analysts(tukeybaz) are busy 24/7 on both sides to analyze any movement of enemy but i agree with you we seriously lack,espionage masters in high ranks because civilian who serve for life are not promoted on higher ranks while officers from army are always on deputation only guys from SSG working for CAD are superb...

 

[Ronin]

If true, rather stupid move by the PA. More intelligent adversaries such as the British to the Germans would have not responded exactly and done so as if by chance. When the British cracked ENIGMA, they purposely sacrificed troops and resources along with chances for advantage to the Germans to ensure that the Germans did not figure out that their code had been cracked. That way when the time to actually use the full potential of the crack came in the Allies were able to oursmart the Germans.. the same way a more intelligent PA leadership would have moved some units and kept others back, as if acting on field recon rather than a leak; this would have kept the mole inside the Indian DGMO safe and not lost a valuable asset who would have been useful later. Still, what better to expect from part time property dealers.

I agree your comments make sense

 

[Pomegranate]

Just curious that the article did not give the reason why Indian army was planning to move troops to Rajasthan and J&K borders???
JLT??
Most prolly another rumor!!
Aaj Tak guys needed to keep their TRPs high. Lol

watch the video in the link and satisfy your self .... no wonder why you guys are so much afraid of ISI ...... the top intelligence agency of the world ...... we were in fight with TTP and that is almost over ... and now lady you got our attention .

 

[Bornubus]

Media sensationalism at its best.....earlier our media reported a possible coup planned by Gen. VK singh

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

it's normal....there've been times our Naval intelligence secured indian navy operational and planning related documents with such alacrity that even they were on our desks before being on the desks of many senior indian officers. I remember a cordial informal talk I had with an older navy veteran. World of espionage. Even if/when nations are not at war, the intel agencies are ALWAYS at war.

 

[Levina]

watch the video in the link and satisfy your self .... no wonder why you guys are so much afraid of ISI ...... the top intelligence agency of the world ...... we were in fight with TTP and that is almost over ... and now lady you got our attention .

Really ISI now stalks women?? lolzz

Btw thats a 47mins long video, give me the time stamp at which this news begins.

 

[acid rain]

watch the video in the link and satisfy your self .... no wonder why you guys are so much afraid of ISI ...... the top intelligence agency of the world ...... we were in fight with TTP and that is almost over ... and now lady you got our attention .

Americans are paranoid about espionage and leaks possibly done by russia to north Korea to cuba. ..The same goes for the Russians, chinese etc..doesn't mean that they are afraid.

 

[Pomegranate]

Really ISI now stalks women?? lolzz

Btw thats a 47mins long video, give me the time stamp at which this news begins.

Lol , right after the headlines the guy would start talking about the issue ....

 

[Levina]

Lol , right after the headlines the guy would start talking about the issue ....

Rajdeep Sardesai???
MoD did install cameras to keep an eye on whats happening in south block (I'm surprised that it took 'em so long to install it where it is most needed). But the reason given behind this development is somebody's figment of imagination.

 

[Pomegranate]

Rajdeep Sardesai???
MoD did install cameras to keep an eye on whats happening in south block (I'm surprised that it took 'em so long to install it where it is most needed). But the reason given behind this development is somebody's figment of imagination.

it seems like pakistan has got spies now withing the armed forces of india , a top intelligence network would do anything to safeguard its own interests . some of the information might be usual masala of your channel but some of it might be the truth