Indian aircraft were out ranged by Pakistan Air Force in aerial combat.

[Basel]

Then what are they flying CAPs with? The Su30MKI is their top of the line.



Will China ever sell the PL15 to Pakistan? It is their latest and top of the line BVRAAM.

PL-15 is not latest BVR of China and yes PL-15 is available and said to be integrated into some JFTs with possible AESA upgrade.

Mostly with Mirage-2000.....
The entire SU-30 fleet has now stopped doing CAPs and is now only being used to exchange information from its long range radar via datalink to other aircrafts and that too well away from the border,

Why?? Their missile truck and the best jet in any subcontinent air Force is kept away from border?

I just say thanks to our politicians who never gave any realy importance to IAF's requirements. Being 8 times larger economy, our forces should have superior Techs.
Its shameful to see F-16s locking MKIs & trying to shoot them while MKIs just acted defensive role.

India already fielded better equipment but still failed to perform.

so Mirage 2000 is the premier fighter jet IAF currently have and hence prove that su-30mki are nothing but just a white elephant in IAF

Don't underestimate the enemy and all this is done to justify purchase of Rafale and also new purchases will be made under this impression.

your ISPR stated that PAF didn’t actually cross the border and used standoff weapons to target the ground.
So most fighters were already in Pakistani territory when IAF engaged them.


That is what we want you guys to believe

First digest what you faced which is pretty hard to digest, also there are plenty of surprises left for Indian military from Pakistani side, just try to attack again and you will know then.

Also why mighty Brahmos was not used, why Indians don't ask this question from their government??

The reason is that Pakistan have proper response capability and India knew it.

 

[Jugger]

Also why mighty Brahmos was not used, why Indians don't ask this question from their government??

Only the newbies ask questions like why the Brahmos missile or S 300 was not used in this skirmish.

Isn’t it obvious that India will not use all its cards in such a small skirmish, a missile strike means full fledged war, we don’t want that do we..?

Was not expecting such a question from a senior member, although the newbs always say such nonsense which I promptly ignore.

 

[Basel]

Only the newbies ask questions like why the Brahmos missile or S 300 was not used in this skirmish.

Isn’t it obvious that India will not use all its cards in such a small skirmish, a missile strike means full fledged war, we don’t want that do we..?

Was not expecting such a question from a senior member, although the newbs always say such nonsense which I promptly ignore.

Just excuse to justify situation, in reality India had no options left which was not being responded by Pakistan.

 

[Microsoft]

Isn’t it obvious that India will not use all its cards in such a small skirmish, a missile strike means full fledged war, we don’t want that do we..?

Indians stopped wanting war when they got their *** served to them on a platter.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

have you ever heard of PL15 BVRAAM?

this is the exact thing came in my mind too

120 range? who cares when u already have a 150 km range ultra long range BVR already.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

I just say thanks to our politicians who never gave any realy importance to IAF's requirements. Being 8 times larger economy, our forces should have superior Techs.
Its shameful to see F-16s locking MKIs & trying to shoot them while MKIs just acted defensive role.

u do have tech. mister its just that yr fguys suck in human proficiency.
Su30 was shot down by jf17, thats why it isnt coming close because now Jf17s have PL15 Ultra long range missiles with 150 km range.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Bala bala....how many times this theory has been wronged. It is man bihand the machine..

And, those that manufacture them, especially EW systems....

this is the exact thing came in my mind too

120 range? who cares when u already have a 150 km range ultra long range BVR already.

Don’t forget it’s also EW vs EW!!! And, all the intelligence, smartness, geniuses, fortunes, hard work etc. appertaining thereunto...

so Mirage 2000 is the premier fighter jet IAF currently have and hence prove that su-30mki are nothing but just a white elephant in IAF

And, that too putting everything Israeli into those machines...

Indians are still crying even after a month.


So the Indians see Mirage 2K as more capable fighter?

They haven’t still forgotten Sultan Mahmut, forget about the recent skirmishes!!! According to an NYT article I read long ago, they still take extra ordinary measures for security in Somnanth Temple for the fear of the Pak folks....

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Salaam

One thing is becoming clearer by the day that the Indian politicians (and other powerful elements that stand to benefit) as well as foreign arms manufacturers will be using the recent escalation to flame fears and justify expensive arms deals.

I highly doubt they (Indian military professionals etc) thought their planes were invincible or Pakistani AF completely toothless, but they sure are going milk this event for all its worth and then some.

I also think these expensive purchases will take a bite out of funding for the local industry. Making long term costs rise as dependence on imported weapons continues. May even be good for Pakistan.


...

According to the Indian Defense Review, the top grads in their military academies join the logistics corps!!! Clever folks....

 

[sohail.ishaque]

Mostly with Mirage-2000.....
The entire SU-30 fleet has now stopped doing CAPs and is now only being used to exchange information from its long range radar via datalink to other aircrafts and that too well away from the border,

Can they be used for some other work now ? i mean to transport fodder for their holy cows.

 

[MystryMan]

And, those that manufacture them, especially EW systems....
Don’t forget it’s also EW vs EW!!! And, all the intelligence, smartness, geniuses, fortunes, hard work etc. appertaining thereunto....

Rightly said. Its a combo of Radar, avionics, missiles and training.

 

[Han Patriot]

I don't understand, didn't India shoot down a F-16 with Mig21, it's performing perfectly right, why this huuhah now?

Notice how no more mention about downing a F-16 anymore. This guy's are pathetic ....

so Mirage 2000 is the premier fighter jet IAF currently have and hence prove that su-30mki are nothing but just a white elephant in IAF

Yah I thought MKIs were the killers of IAF....why 30 year old mirages now? Taiwan is having alot of problem with mirages, seems like they don't produce spare parts anymore and is forcing their customers to upgrade to Rafael.

 

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[Nasr]

and the ability of the ECM is something really matters. thats what Mig21 and Su30MKI lacks of. Rafale is a different story. but 36 rafale is far from enough.

I heard some unconfirmed news that they are finalizing a deal with France for manufacturing 200 Rafales. Of course this could be more indian bull$hit. But can anyone confirm this?