India with us on verdict, says China

[DesiGuy1403]

Third and most importantly, while attacking greats of history is forbidden by the rules, active politi-
-cians must be scrutinized and discussed and their actions questioned, that's political maturity as
Manticore once put it.

Is COA of your nation free game them? Let me know. Reality is he is the boss of Pakistan, hence that should put him in the category you are saying open to scrutiny and criticism.

 

[Taygibay]

The boss of Pakistan is the President, my good man, and the PM below him.
But yes, there are dissenting opinions on them voiced by Pakistanis on PDF.

I dislike the needless name calling too but when limited to stating a point of view,
it is part of an open discussion which is the aim of all fora since antiquity, PDF incl.

If you were to reply in kind just for tit for tat effect, you'd be showing the exact same
immaturity that you blame on the Chinese members now, would you not?

Food for thought ... but have a great day, Tay.

P.S. There are specific threads for such complaints as to avoid conversations interruptions.
Check Suggestions & Discussions sub-forum. Do use them to get a more complete answer.

 

[hassamun]

The boss of Pakistan is the President, my good man, and the PM below him.
But yes, there are dissenting opinions on them voiced by Pakistanis on PDF.

With all due respect, the Prime Minister calls the shots in Pakistan as per the constitution. The President is only a ceremonial figure...

 

[egodoc222]

As matter of fact, some unarmed fishermen think that China will be scare after the verdict and they will be protected by world policemen so they don't need to respect our SCS sovereignty so we shown them that China is mightier than those claimed to be just a paper tiger, don't be surprise it we will do that with India, And if you guys think that you have US backing and we will be scare, that will by your great mistake, I only hope that you guys don't go to cry like last time over Kennedy's shoulder.

Lol your are free to try in bay of bengal!!
Hope your sailors can swim

 

[Politico]

Do you think otherwise??


If you insult our Prime minister again, then we'll start to rip apart your every CCP leader including your Respected President XI Jin ping in this thread in such a way that, their parents will be ashamed of giving birth to them.. If the mods permit, I'm ready for that, shall we?? Do you want to see that??? one more word in disrespect to our Prime minister, and you are dead meat here in PDF..
Mods try to spend some time here.. @Horus @WebMaster @Taygibay @Oscar.. This thread is rapidly getting derailed by the unnecessary Chinese provocation without any meaningful discussion.. Pls don't blame me for further troll wars.. Peace

u r part of a democracy. y r u getting so sensitive abt what people say abt ur pm? even u shud be allowed 2 insult ur pm if u live in a real democracy

 

[Taygibay]

Yes @hassamun but he still holds the task of representing the country.
He embodies the Republic and not the government. That symbolic value,
although I concur not quite vested in reality, is why his office has its own
section in the portal of Pakistani government ; http://www.pakistan.gov.pk

Besides, the Indians have a ceremonial on of those too!
In context, they are the head of state if only for inaugurating tea houses.

Have a great evening, Tay.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

India never said that. Show me a statement from GoI official. Newspapers speculating doesnt matter.

While here, despite GoI clearly giving a statement, Chinese officials remain in denial.

The NSG was set up in 1970 is the basis of effect of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty (NPT)
In 1960, the French have nuclear weapons, in 1964 China has nuclear weapons.
USA and the Soviet union fear that there will be more countries with nuclear weapons. USA in 1965 to the committee on disarmament in Geneva a draft treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. In 1966, the USA and the Soviet union began to secret talks, and in 1967 to the disarmament commission proposed "the nuclear non-proliferation treaty" jointly draft, June 12, 1968, the UN general assembly approved the draft treaty.
So, India NSG success or not, the United States is the key. if the USA Really want to India to join the NSG, China can't stop... It is obvious that the interests of the exchange of China and the USA.

As to the problem of China and the Philippines, you don't need to worry about, because it is similar to that of India and Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, myanmar...

 

[gayMo]

With all due respect, the Prime Minister calls the shots in Pakistan as per the constitution. The President is only a ceremonial figure...

In parliamentary democracy pm is higher than prez . Both Pak and ins are so similar shame we are enemies. We could have been a good pair of countries. Need not be that happy palpi kind but in a matter of fact way.It will happen some day I am certain.

 

[Allen Iverson]

Off-topic answer.


Hi there Allan Iverson. I will try to provide an answer but you may not find it fulfilling, sorry.

First, you could have reported that post by @pher. That goes straight to moderation's attention.
None of those you tagged are officially mods, you see, me least of all.

Second, I'm guessing you chose that route because you were in doubt about mods considering
"big mouth" as an insult ... and you'd be right. If we suppose for instance that Donal Trump gets
elected president of the US in autumn, he'd be head of state and yet, he is undeniably a loud mouth.

Third and most importantly, while attacking greats of history is forbidden by the rules, active politi-
-cians must be scrutinized and discussed and their actions questioned, that's political maturity as
Manticore once put it. It is a free speech consequence and a necessity that we speak our mind on
our elected rulers, everywhere. Think of the slurs that accompanied Barack Obama for 2 mandates
from terrorist to socialist, the latter truly being seen as worse and a true insult by US conservatives.

Fourth and most important in the long run, adding such phrases : and you are dead meat here in PDF ...
negates most of your point.

Now, this said, I do understand your displeasure but you could take a tongue in cheek approach.
Just consider for example that "unnecessary Chinese provocation without any meaningful discussion"
which I tend to recognize as factual comes from being deprived of true democracy ( 28M voters/ 1,7B pop. )
and thus excuse their lack of sophistication in international relations. I mean, the people are acting no
more bluntly on PDF than their government in the Spratleys or Tien An Men square.

So in short, not much can be done in this case, sorry!
Take it with a grain of salt and a cup of tea and have a great day despite it.
All the best IRL, Tay.

Off-topic closed.

A very matured response indeed...Good day to you..

u r part of a democracy. y r u getting so sensitive abt what people say abt ur pm? even u shud be allowed 2 insult ur pm if u live in a real democracy

No.. Asking explanation and insulting is two different things totally.. Me being a part of a democracy can question my PM on things that he has done as a prime minister and he is bound to answer me.. But insulting the de facto head of the state for no reason, is like splashing sewer on you by yourself.. No citizen can do that..
Now, who is he?? A third rate citizen of a communist state run by so called communist goons with no freedom of speech for its citizen.. If he comes out here and speaks such shit which he dare not speak in his own country about his own corrupt leaders, and that too about my prime minister about whom he knows crap, then why shouldn't I fcuk him front and back if he is next to me, this being an online forum atleast I can only warn him with words..you tell me why shouldn't I do that..???

The NSG was set up in 1970 is the basis of effect of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty (NPT)
In 1960, the French have nuclear weapons, in 1964 China has nuclear weapons.
USA and the Soviet union fear that there will be more countries with nuclear weapons. USA in 1965 to the committee on disarmament in Geneva a draft treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. In 1966, the USA and the Soviet union began to secret talks, and in 1967 to the disarmament commission proposed "the nuclear non-proliferation treaty" jointly draft, June 12, 1968, the UN general assembly approved the draft treaty.
So, India NSG success or not, the United States is the key. if the USA Really want to India to join the NSG, China can't stop... It is obvious that the interests of the exchange of China and the USA.

I agree with most part of what you said, but for a new member to get inducted, it needs the consent of all the other members.. so if china can object with proper grounds, then other members have to agree.. That's it..

As to the problem of China and the Philippines, you don't need to worry about, because it is similar to that of India and Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, myanmar...

Problem between china and Philippines is not like India's problem between Nepal, Srilanka, Bhutan and Myanmar because none of these countries have went to international forums to settle the disputes.. As a matter of fact India doesn't have any problems with any of the countries you've said there.. it is just your opinion..

 

[Razia Sultana]

Problem between china and Philippines is not like India's problem between Nepal, Srilanka, Bhutan and Myanmar because none of these countries have went to international forums to settle the disputes.. As a matter of fact India doesn't have any problems with any of the countries you've said there.. it is just your opinion..

Recently India, Bangladesh and Myanmar settle their nautical boundaries thru international adjudication. All the nations respected and accepted the award of judgement by international court of Justice.

 

[Allen Iverson]

Recently India, Bangladesh and Myanmar settle their nautical boundaries thru international adjudication. All the nations respected and accepted the award of judgement by international court of Justice.

No madam, I din mean that.. disputes regarding boundaries, maritime disputes, which are resolved across the world by UN body all the time..They shall not be considered as disputes..I meant disputes where both parties are hell bent on something contrary to the other and the mistake lies completely on one party.. Like the Philippines , China Saga..

 

[SBUS-CXK]

A very matured response indeed...Good day to you..


No.. Asking explanation and insulting is two different things totally.. Me being a part of a democracy can question my PM on things that he has done as a prime minister and he is bound to answer me.. But insulting the de facto head of the state for no reason, is like splashing sewer on you by yourself.. No citizen can do that..
Now, who is he?? A third rate citizen of a communist state run by so called communist goons with no freedom of speech for its citizen.. If he comes out here and speaks such shit which he dare not speak in his own country about his own corrupt leaders, and that too about my prime minister about whom he knows crap, then why shouldn't I fcuk him front and back if he is next to me, this being an online forum atleast I can only warn him with words..you tell me why shouldn't I do that..???


I agree with most part of what you said, but for a new member to get inducted, it needs the consent of all the other members.. so if china can object with proper grounds, then other members have to agree.. That's it..


Problem between china and Philippines is not like India's problem between Nepal, Srilanka, Bhutan and Myanmar because none of these countries have went to international forums to settle the disputes.. As a matter of fact India doesn't have any problems with any of the countries you've said there.. it is just your opinion..

Do you think USA really support for India's bid for NSG??
Yes, what you say is very right, India does not exist in the neighbouring territorial disputes, because India will direct swallowed... For example, Sikkim. Or, blockade of Nepal. And interfering in the internal affairs of Bhutan, Sri Lanka's military threat, division of baluchistan. India's foreign policy is a threat to all neighbors. So, India was against the subcontinent all countries.
In addition, the andaman islands belong to myanmar.

 

[Allen Iverson]

Do you think USA really support for India's bid for NSG??
Yes, what you say is very right, India does not exist in the neighbouring territorial disputes, because India will direct swallowed... For example, Sikkim. Or, blockade of Nepal. And interfering in the internal affairs of Bhutan, Sri Lanka's military threat, division of baluchistan. India's foreign policy is a threat to all neighbors. So, India was against the subcontinent all countries.
In addition, the andaman islands belong to myanmar.

What..??? WTF did you just say??? For a moment I just thought I met a sane Chinese here.. Now you showed your true colours and proved yourself that, you are a crazy A$$ moda fokka, making claims only god knows how they were possible.. cursing myself..

 

[SBUS-CXK]

What..??? WTF did you just say??? For a moment I just thought I met a sane Chinese here.. Now you showed your true colours and proved yourself that, you are a crazy A$$ moda fokka, making claims only god knows how they were possible.. cursing myself..

Look, indians have not made any associated with the logical answer.

 

[cloud_9]

China claims that 70 countries support China's stance. They issue this map to prove their point.

What the dickens?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/82042501/china-has-no-historic-title-over-south-china-sea-waters

https://twitter.com/x/status/752871983130484740