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Democracy will ensure that the tortoise overcomes the hare in the race for competitive advantage, argues William Nobrega

Authoritarian regimes often yield strong short-term economic results, as seen in Germany in the 1930s, the Soviet Union in the 1950s, Brazil in the 1960s and China in the 1990s. Unencumbered by such things as property rights, legal recourse and public debate, the authoritarian regime can harness significant economic and political resources to achieve impressive industrial and economic feats.

Conversely, democratic regimes tend to be sloppy affairs with loud public discourse, a vocal press, stubborn land owners and a myriad of civil liberties. Far from being able to harness economic resources, the government often must act more as a regulator. The result is that there are very few grandiose government-sponsored projects. Instead, there are countless private-sector initiatives driven by the invisible hand of the market.

But while the authoritarian regime is envied by some, the fact is that, longer term, this type of socio-economic model has typically led to economic and social distortions.

That is the dilemma faced by China today. Since the 1980s, the government has focused on developing an export-driven economy supported by an artificially undervalued currency. Foreign direct investment was encouraged while domestic consumption was limited. Massive infrastructure projects were initiated, fuelled by a growing trade surplus, with cities sprouting up in the hinterlands like mythical phoenix. For years, the Chinese economy benefited from these policies with double-digit growth in gross domestic product, vast foreign currency reserves, and ever-increasing capital inflows.

But now the economic and social distortions have begun to appear with rising inflation rates, numerous asset bubbles, looming overcapacity and rampant institutionalised corruption. China's rulers find themselves in a quandary. If the government allows its currency to appreciate rapidly to reduce inflation, it will drive down exports and fuel unemployment. If it fails to quell inflation, social unrest will quickly unfold.

But while the hare runs into obstacles of its own design, the tortoise is looking well placed in the long endurance race for competitive advantage. In India there is an entrenched and vibrant democracy that will ultimately drive it to outperform China socially and economically. Messy, frustrating and more often than not agonisingly slow, India's democracy would seem chaotic at the surface. But if you look deeper, you will see why the tortoise will prevail. Let's take a look at two of the big advantages that India's democracy provides.

PROPERTY RIGHTS

As India becomes urbanised, many families will choose to sell or borrow against their land so that they can start businesses, buy apartments or provide education opportunities for their children. India is at the start of a gradual migration driven by the development of high-end manufacturing and other "sunrise" industries that will require a vast pool of skilled and semi-skilled labour. This migration will create an increasingly urban India that is expected to attract more than 200 million rural inhabitants to "secondary cities" by 2025.

This transition will facilitate the sale of land holdings by an estimated 30 million farmers and 170 million other individuals indirectly tied to the agricultural sector. These sales are expected to generate more than $1 trillion in capital by 2025. This capital will have a multiplier effect on the Indian economy that could exceed $3 trillion.

The development of mortgage-backed security and asset-backed security markets, driven by financial institutions like Citigroup, will create the liquidity required to free up this capital.

China, by contrast, has no rural property rights. The 750 million rural residents who lease land are at the mercy of local and regional government as to what compensation they will receive, if any, when they are forced from the land as a result of development, infrastructure improvements etc. Additionally, they have no right to borrow against their lease, and as such they have no assets. In fact, the Chinese government's official figures state that more than 200,000 hectares of rural land are taken from rural residents every year with little or no compensation. Between 1992 and 2005, according to some estimates, 20 million farmers were evicted from agriculture due to land acquisition, and between 1996 and 2005 more than 21 per cent of arable land in China was put to non-agriculture use.

The result has not been unexpected, with over 87,000 "mass incidents" (or riots) reported in 2005 – a 50 per cent increase from 2003. Many provincial governments in China have begun to use plain-clothes policemen to beat, intimidate or otherwise subdue any peasant that dares to oppose these land grabs. And, also as would be expected, the beneficiaries from these policies have been developers and corrupt government officials.

RULE OF LAW

This is a cornerstone of any modern society. India has a legal system that has been in place for well over 100 years. It is internationally respected and includes laws that protect intellectual as well as physical property.

The rule of law creates predictability and stability, allowing entrepreneurial behaviour to flourish. This is clearly evident in India, with more than 6,000 companies listed on the stock exchanges, compared to approximately 2,000 in China. More telling is that of these 6,000 listed groups in India, only 100 or so are state-owned. This stands in stark contrast to China, where more than 1,200 belong to the state.

Can there be any doubt where the next Microsoft or Intel will be created? Certainly not China.

More than 100 Indian companies that completed initial public offerings as mid-cap firms now have a market capitalisation of over $1bn (£500m). Companies such as Jet Airways, Bharti Tele-Ventures, Infosys, Reliance Communications, Tata Motors (which just acquired Jaguar), Wipro and Hindalco are becoming multinational competitors with globally recognised brands.

China also has numerous companies with a market capitalisation of more than $1bn, but most of these are state-owned behemoths recognised for their sheer size and not their nimbleness.

When the rule of law is seen by investors and foreign companies as something that is beyond question, it serves to facilitate additional investments in research and development. For instance, 150 of the top global companies now have research and development bases in India. Additionally, the US Food and Drug Administration has certified more companies in India than in any other country outside the US, a testament to the innovation fostered by free markets and the rule of law.

China, meanwhile, has a legal system that does little to protect intellectual and physical property rights; it has been ranked with Nigeria in this respect. Indeed, China's illegal copying of movies, music and software cost companies $2.2bn in sales in 2006, according to an estimate by lobby groups representing Microsoft, Walt Disney and Vivendi. This figure may in fact be understated as it does not include pirated products that have been shipped to overseas markets by government-controlled Chinese companies.

The rule of law, when applied evenly and justly in a democratic society, also helps to ensure that wealth accumulation does not favour individuals in political office or people connected to those in political office.

Democracy is a messy thing, especially when you have an electorate that exceeds 600 million motivated voters. However, it helps to ensure that individual liberties are respected and that the government is responsive and beholden to the will of the people – rich or poor. A democracy also ensures accountability through impartial courts that help enforce and protect such things as property rights, environmental rights, human rights and good governance.

India's democracy is far from perfect but it is also quite young, and as incomes rise and the populace becomes more informed, we can expect that India's state institutions will become more responsive and transparent.

And what about the hare? Consider this: a recent survey found that of the 20,000 richest men in China, more than 95 per cent were directly related to Communist Party officials. Where would you place your bet?


India will beat China – all in its own good time - Business Analysis & Features, Business - The Independent
 
Makes sense, and you are correct there is one article in yesterdays NYT By PAUL KRUGMAN. He starts by saying "Back in the early stages of the financial crisis, wags joked that our trade with China had turned out to be fair and balanced after all: They sold us poison toys and tainted seafood; we sold them fraudulent securities."
He goes on and says:
But China still seems to have unrealistic expectations. And that’s a problem for all of us.

The big news last week was a speech by Zhou Xiaochuan, the governor of China’s central bank, calling for a new “super-sovereign reserve currency.”
The paranoid wing of the Republican Party promptly warned of a dastardly plot to make America give up the dollar. But Mr. Zhou’s speech was actually an admission of weakness. In effect, he was saying that China had driven itself into a dollar trap, and that it can neither get itself out nor change the policies that put it in that trap in the first place.

Must read the complete article :

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/03/o...?_r=1&scp=1&sq=china%20dollar trap&st=cse
 
But nothing to take away from China. they have done what best suited them and now they are super rich. Hope they spend that money to uplift the poor.
Should help to uplift the African countries and stimulate them so that they can grow up to be a market for China.
 
Yes, I can see Indians drooling over this.
How credible is this article?
 
India will beat China – all in its own good time


Congratulation !

Keep going!

:enjoy:
 
I can see this news every year from the Western media

:cheers:

I see it everyday here in Canada.

But there are three questions I always want to ask Indians and people in the west:

1. Is Indian democracy same/similar/close to American/Canadian/British democracy?

2. Can developing countries such as India and China really afford western style democracy at this moment? Hence can the idea of democracy applied to every country in the world?

3. How can India catch up with China with a lower growth rate year after year? In fact, the gap is widening everyday, now China has a 4 trillion economy while India has 1.
 
I didn't read the whole article, too lazy I suppose....but one thing I belive is that soon Chinese $$ reserves are going to be nullified by inflation. US just announced a trillion dollar rescue package, and based on those reserves US Federal Reserve will multiply the money supply. Rampant inflation is on it's way, and big loss for countries with huge dollar reserves, including India.

Actually this whole 'economic slowdown' was to 'control' China, as they did with Russia with the manipulated Oil prices.
 
I see it everyday here in Canada.

But there are three questions I always want to ask Indians and people in the west:

1. Is Indian democracy same/similar/close to American/Canadian/British democracy?

2. Can developing countries such as India and China really afford western style democracy at this moment? Hence can the idea of democracy applied to every country in the world?

3. How can India catch up with China with a lower growth rate year after year? In fact, the gap is widening everyday, now China has a 4 trillion economy while India has 1.

1. No, not that perfect..yet
2. Western Style democracy??....media run?!
3. When you can't run faster, make your opponent run slower. But that's not the case here. It's a long story...and I'm not an expert enough to lecture you on that.
 
But there are three questions I always want to ask Indians and people in the west:
I will try to answer what I think honestly. You can take it or leave it.

1. Is Indian democracy same/similar/close to American/Canadian/British democracy?
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American democracy is not same as British democracy. So no way Indian democracy can be same as both at the same time. It is somewhat similar to British since it preferred to go with the Westminster style of democracy. It might be good it might be not. I would have preferred american(presidential) style with intra party competition prior to being elected but many other prefer the current way.


2. Can developing countries such as India and China really afford western style democracy at this moment? Hence can the idea of democracy applied to every country in the world?

It is not about democracy or single-party and its affordability. Both are affordable and at the same time neither are. Its about efficient leadership and mechanism to create that leadership. Anybody blaming democracy just because it has repped up a few % points more in growth is doing it for their own ulterior motives. It would be good if you dont fall for such tricks but again its upto you. The same folks(party) if democracy had more growth would point to some other statistics. Even america is not perfect and anyone can create stats to show how bad it is. Currently India doesnt have a good mechanism for propping up assertive and new leaders repeatedly and thats a fact. You would know better about China.


3. How can India catch up with China with a lower growth rate year after year? In fact, the gap is widening everyday, now China has a 4 trillion economy while India has 1.
With the foresight of the current crop of dilly-dallying so called leaders(or even the new ones on the horizon), I doubt India will. No one can predict the future. If someone could they can become billionaires overnight. But then no one could have predicted for certainty that China would grow so rapidly a few decades back right? not even chinese.

btw why you guys so worried about India catching up even if it did?I dont think a single Indian feels negatively about Chinese becomming richer(infact most see it as a good thing that a large populous eastern country with so much problems in the past has a prosperous future). I am sure Chinese would also think about the Indians in the same way right? I am less sure about CCP though. They might not like it though because if India(and other democratic in asia) also grow in same way then what really will they have to hold on to power and show the chinese as the only possible solution.
 
btw why you guys so worried about India catching up even if it did?I dont think a single Indian feels negatively about Chinese becomming richer

Are you serious dude???

China is asking for Indian territory, and ready to use military force for it. They have set up tunnels/highways and whatnot for accomplishment of their plan. Would you like to see a part of India under Chinese control?? :undecided:

and their economic prosperity only means doom for NE.

you jest
 
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I didn't read the whole article, too lazy I suppose....but one thing I belive is that soon Chinese $$ reserves are going to be nullified by inflation. US just announced a trillion dollar rescue package, and based on those reserves US Federal Reserve will multiply the money supply. Rampant inflation is on it's way, and big loss for countries with huge dollar reserves, including India.

Actually this whole 'economic slowdown' was to 'control' China, as they did with Russia with the manipulated Oil prices.


What Crap!!! and icing in the cake is "the economic slowdown was to control China."
 
I didn't read the whole article, too lazy I suppose....but one thing I belive is that soon Chinese $$ reserves are going to be nullified by inflation. US just announced a trillion dollar rescue package, and based on those reserves US Federal Reserve will multiply the money supply. Rampant inflation is on it's way, and big loss for countries with huge dollar reserves, including India.

Actually this whole 'economic slowdown' was to 'control' China, as they did with Russia with the manipulated Oil prices.

This is hard to digest, no one will burn his own house to put other in trouble.
 
This is hard to digest, no one will burn his own house to put other in trouble.

dude dude...

US is not the main street, it's Wallstreet. :what:

Wallstreet made a lot of money both by engineering the crisis as well as siphoning the taxpayers money in the name of bailout.
China had trillions of US Tbills and if they are not devalued China will quickly position itself out of the crisis (by acquiring assets while dollar was high).

I can't provide you very credible evidence now, but wait soon all countries supplying raw materials to China will be booked on one issue or another....Sudan, Zimbabwe, Myanmar etc.

And let me predict one thing, this bailout is going to be far far more bigger than it looks now...pushing the US M3 to astronomical levels.
 
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