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Khobragade incident 'extremely irksome', time for closure: Salman Khurshid - The Times of India

NEW DELHI: Terming the Khobragade episode "extremely irksome", external affairs minister Salman Khurshid on Sunday said it was time for "closure" to the issue for which the US should find a "political solution".
Asserting that there were "practical considerations" and India cannot look unconcerned when something like this happens, he said the court by rejecting the first indictment has given an opportunity to US administration to put it behind and questioned why they were not doing so.
"Even at the worst time, I made repeated statements that although it is extremely irksome what has happened and we are convinced that what has happened is wrong and it should not be taken any further, nevertheless this should not impact our larger relationship. But there are practical considerations.
"We cannot look unconcerned when something like this happens. We have to balance practical implications with our commitment to keep our relationship intact and in fact, enhance it," the minister said in an interview.
Khurshid was asked for his reaction to US prosecutors re-indicting senior Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade on visa fraud charges and accused her of "illegally" underpaying and "exploiting" her domestic maid.
The second indictment, on Saturday, came a day after a US court dismissed an earlier indictment.
Observing that "overall it has an effect and there was very deep sense of hurt here", Khurshid said "the court by rejecting the indictment has given you an opportunity to put it behind us so why are we not putting it behind us... They should find a political solution."
Referring to his meeting with his US counterpart John Kerry on the issue, he said, "We have already agreed that officials from both sides will meet to look into issue of immunity and privileges so that in future there is no trouble. When you are looking at no trouble in future, it is an ideal thing would be to put a closure to what has happened."
Khurshid also said India was convinced that there were no justified grounds for what they have done.
On Saturday, the MEA had expressed disappointment over an "unnecessary" step of second indictment and asserted that any measure consequent to the decision will "unfortunately" impact upon efforts on both sides to build India-US strategic partnership.
A 1999-batch IFS officer, Khobragade was arrested in New York on December 12 and was strip-searched, triggering a row between the two countries with India retaliating by downgrading privileges of certain category of US diplomats among other steps.
She was released on a USD 250,000 bond, was later granted full diplomatic immunity and she flew back to India on January 10. She has since been transferred to the ministry of external affairs in New Delhi.



Good to see that senior members also troll time to time .
 
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The diplomat is here in India and as far as GOI is concerned the case is closed, India do not bother or care what US does.

But Indo - US ties are important in this century both strategically and economically.
 
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It's quite evident that, something else is brewing in the state dept...

I can understand some others being ignorant on the subject . But you live in the US and say something like this?????

US judicial system unlike chinese or parts of Indian judicial cannot be interfered by the State department. State department has no power at all to do anything to stop the judiciary ... they can make suggestions _they can even make pleas but have no power, period.

any hint of interference= big scandal and hearings and indictments
 
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USA is being incredibly foolish on this issue.

A visa oversight is relatively minor, compared to the other types of crimes committed by a lot of diplomats.

Certainly not worth creating a big diplomatic spat over it?


I dont think that the US government can do much about it, its the US court which is not letting the case go...

But the question is whether she had immunity or not, if yes, she cannot be prosecuted and the US did do a mistake. But in case she did not have the required immunity, no one can tell the US that she has been mistreated.
 
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I can understand some others being ignorant on the subject . But you live in the US and say something like this?????

US judicial system unlike chinese or parts of Indian judicial cannot be interfered by the State department. State department has no power at all to do anything to stop the judiciary ... they can make suggestions _they can even make pleas but have no power, period.

any hint of interference= big scandal and hearings and indictments

US prosecution is not equal to US judicial system !

US judicial system had rightly quashed the first indictment and left window open for prosecution to pursue case or not .

US prosecution made decision to pursue case ...for the reasons we clearly know why .

US prosecution could proceed with the case with such a vigor involving diplomat with a country with which US wishes to forge close ties , only because of backing and blessings of US state department .

Whole Devyani affair has made it clear that topmost hierarchies of US state department were in loop when decision to pursue case against Devyani was taken and higher authorities had given green signal to proceed on same .

Those Indians who had gone to US and has been allured with its tremendous material progress have also sold their souls to that country .One can't expect them to opine in unbiased way on this matter ....


Everyone else may not agree with high opinion you hold about US judicial system .


There was no need to drag Chinese judicial system in this discussion in any way . Your intention to troll is made clear by your uncalled for reference to Chinese judicial system !!!
 
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US prosecution is not equal to US judicial system !

US judicial system had rightly quashed the first indictment and left window open for prosecution to pursue case or not .

US prosecution made decision to pursue case ...for the reasons we clearly know why .

US prosecution could proceed with the case with such a vigor involving diplomat with a country with which US wishes to forge close ties , only because of backing and blessings of US state department .

Whole Devyani affair has made it clear that topmost hierarchies of US state department were in loop when decision to pursue case against Devyani was taken and higher authorities had given green signal to proceed on same .

Those Indians who had gone to US and has been allured with its tremendous material progress have also sold their souls to that country .One can't expect them to opine in unbiased way on this matter ....


Everyone else may not agree with high opinion you hold about US judicial system .


There was no need to drag Chinese judicial system in this discussion in any way . Your intention to troll is made clear by your uncalled for reference to Chinese judicial system !!!

why don't you stick to topics you know instead of looking ignorant?

US prosecution is under US judicial system - hell every prosecution system is under their judiciary for that matter.

apparently your vocabulary does not understand what the word judicial system means- it does not mean just judges.

If US prosecutors could be forced by a state department , then we would never had any corruption issues ever processed!

Honestly, I am glad you did not land up in the US and embarrass us...
 
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why don't you stick to topics you know instead of looking ignorant?

US prosecution is under US judicial system - hell every prosecution system is under their judicial for that matter.

apparently your vocabulary does not understand what the word judicial system means- it does not mean just judges.

If US prosecutors could be forced by a state department , then we would never had any corruption issues ever processed!

Honestly, I am glad you did not land up in the US and embarrass us...


what I was trying to say that prosecution is not equal to whole judicial system . There are many other components to it .
I am not as stupid as you are to assume Judges equal to Judicial system .

Do not circumvent the main issue with mere semantics of my statement .

Do you think US prosecution would have pursued the case without clearance from US state department against diplomat of country with which it is trying to forge close ties ???


The whole contention to paint US judicial system as 'next to the God' kind - perfect , just and righteous and US as State that abides by rule of law is mere hogwash ....
 
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Yes it was a mistake on my part ...what I was trying to say that prosecution is not equal to whole judicial system . There are many other components to it .


Do not circumvent the main issue with technicality of my statement .

Do you think US prosecution would have pursued the case without clearance from US state department against diplomat of country with which it is trying to forge close ties ???

there is no "technicality" of anything in your statement , other than pure ignorance of the subject matter.

It is obvious you don't know anything about the US, have no clue of the role of The state department and how it is separate from the judiciary.

It also evident you don't know that similar cases have been brought forth on many countries diplomats INCLUDING twice before on the Indian mission and in those cases the indians were never protested innocence, only this woman and her father made a media issue of it . ironically the two who are corrupt to the core i.e. Indian apartment scam having to do with military .

It is also evident you don't know how our judiciary works. If a complaint is lodged it has to be looked in and if it merits a prosecution then it is prosecuted. There is discretion allowed , but such discretion is only given to prosecutors themselves to make the call--- and not by any state department ( which is a diplomatic core and has jack to do with judiciary or has any jurisdiction or " clearance" , as you put it- over it)


So answer your made up ridiculous statement - The State department could stop it or give it any clearance, period! --and had the state department been caught " interfering"--- the US citizens, media outlets would have had a huge scandal on their hands and the UNITES STATES CONGRESS would have held hearing about the interference. People would be fired and go to jail for it!
 
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It is also evident you don't know how our judiciary works. If a complaint is lodged it has to be looked in and if it merits a prosecution then it is prosecuted. There is discretion allowed , but such discretion is only given to prosecutors themselves to make the call--- and not by any state department ( which is diplomatic core and has jack to do with judiciary or has any jurisdiction or " clearance" , as you put it- over it) !

Since you proclaim primacy of US judicial system and prosecution in such a big words ..

Could you care to explain how sitting US president could got away from US court despite his ' Perjury ' ?

In land of no lesser mortals it appears law is differently applied for big pigs like American president. right ?
 
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Since you proclaim primacy of US judicial system and prosecution in such a big words ..

Could you care to explain how sitting US president could got away from US court despite his ' Perjury ' ?

In land of no lesser mortals it appears law is differently applied for big pigs like American president. right ?

what perjury? again if you don't know about things, stop switching topics and examples and digging that hole further. There was no legal basis for perjury against Bill clinton. he was not afforded anything special - he got treated like every US citizen or non citizen - Hell in fact a case is to be made he got treated more harshly. Republicans went hard at him and even impeached him in Congress

...again apparently you have no clue of that time nor what happened..
 
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what perjury? again if you don't know about things, stop switching topics and examples and digging that hole further. There was no legal basis for perjury against Bill clinton. he was not afforded anything special - that every US citizen or non citizen does not get...

I am not switching the topic . Just trying to prove the fallibility of US judicial system ....

US president proclaimed in an open court that he had no sexual relationship with Monica Lewinsky

and there was overwhelming evidence contrary to that ....

If Bill Clinton had no sexual relation with Monica Lewinsky , how did his semen reached Monica's blue dress ??

was he painting Monica's dress with his semen ???


He had that declaration on oath in court ? does not that amount to perjury ???

Hypocrites like you will always defend it ... I am not surprised .


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Damage is done.I think there is no come back from this mess for at least two years.India will not compromise its stand in this issue.We already know US wrath method and we experienced it till 2000.So there is no surprise it.
 
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