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India to buy 5 naval warships from Russia

These ships (Project 23130) are tiny compared to the Deepak class fleet replenishment tankers of the IN (the latest replenishment tankers inducted). The IN was interested in 40,000 ton state of the art FSSs, 5 relatively small tankers from Russia do not seem to make much sense, a similar class could easily be made in India.
Then you might expect something along the lines of the INS Jyoti (Komandarm Fedko class, a modified Project 15966M merchant tanker, 1 with IN, 1 with PLAN, 2 with Peuvian navy).

If the ships are not from Nevsky or other oil tanker producers, but from Zaliv, then 5 ships means a good deal of work for the Crimea.

These ships (Project 23130) are tiny compared to the Deepak class fleet replenishment tankers of the IN (the latest replenishment tankers inducted). The IN was interested in 40,000 ton state of the art FSSs, 5 relatively small tankers from Russia do not seem to make much sense, a similar class could easily be made in India.
Is there room in your yards?
 
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Why from Russia,why not from the US,Europe or even Japan?
I heard your experience with Russian systems/platforms is not that good.

russian ships are okay. it is easy to integrate Brahmos and Barak missiles
 
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Are you sure about that? 5 more Talwars haven't been mooted thus far, to date the figure was always for 3 more. Can anyone confirm?

@Chanakya's_Chant @PARIKRAMA


Officially I remember 5 follow up ships being built for Russia under a new name..

Let me post quick data ( don blame me its wiki)

Project 11356M (Admiral Grigorovich class)Edit
Three frigates of the Admiral Grigorovich class were ordered for the Black Sea Fleet to be built by the Yantar Yard in Kaliningrad which is also building the Talwar class for the Indian Navy.

  • Admiral Grigorovich - ordered for BSF - laid down in 18 December 2010, will be delivered in 2013/2014
  • Admiral Essen - ordered for BSF - laid down in 8 July 2011, will be delivered in 2014
  • Admiral Makarov - ordered for BSF - laid down in 29 Feb 2012,will be delivered in 2015
  • Admiral Butakov - ordered for BSF - laid down in 12 Oct 2012, planned to be delivered till 2015
  • Admiral Istomin - planned for BSF - planned to be delivered till 2016
  • Admiral Kornilov - planned for BSF - planned to be delivered till 2016
Unless second to last all ships are purchased by IN the talwar class 5 new ship numbers look at bit difficult especially as our yards are full

Possibly if 5 ships beyond FSS is there then its last 3 admiral butakov, istomin and kornilov with 2kilos upgraded (636) whose keels are laid down but expected to be completed by 2016

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Russia B-268 Veliky Novgorod Saint Petersburg 636.3 30 October 2014 pl.2016 BSF laid down
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Russia B-??? Kolpino Saint Petersburg 636.3 30 October 2014 pl.2016 BSF laid down


Again tbh this looks like a wrong reporting.. FSS was suppose to be via a tech tieup with HSL and another party. Russia chapter to me is a new news
 
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We dont need a strong navy, our coast line isnt as big as India's. If a naval war breaks out, India can only despatch a segment of their Navy, our fleets will be able to hold em off, with aerial and ground support.
4 missile boats, 2 destroyers, 3 frigates, and few jaguar strike fighters is a perfect recipe for destruction of PN......:agree:
 
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4 missile boats, 2 destroyers, 3 frigates, and few jaguar strike fighters is a perfect recipe for destruction of PN......:agree:
Wont really be that easy, PN will stick close to land, and will recieve support from land - there is no way India can defeat PN without mobilizing its full strength ; which will not happen. We need to talk realistic here and not just dream.
 
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These warships will be 3 more Talwar class figates and 2 more advanced Kilo class submarines.
 
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Wont really be that easy, PN will stick close to land, and will recieve support from land - there is no way India can defeat PN without mobilizing its full strength ; which will not happen. We need to talk realistic here and not just dream.
full strength is 123 warships excluding auxiliary, bro 123 warships are more than enough and also barak 8 equipped warships can take care of PN's aerial assets and also take in equation the powerful brahmos it has a range of 300km, and also i think in future pakistan navy would not like too engage in a war with a fleet 5 times stronger.....it would ensure complete annihilation of PN......kabhi toh maan jaya karo yaar......PN is no match for IN, and P8i's are more than enough to sink your 3 valuable submarines......
 
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Warships, Ballastic missile defence systems.
Fighters from France.
NaMo asks Navy to be prepared for swift wars.
Whats cooking :)
 
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I am sorry to say but this whole News is Rubbish.

The DAC has cleared 5 Fleet Supply Ship for 9000 crores to be built in INDIA at Hindustan Shipyards Limited.

This will be a 40,000 Ton Logistics Supply Ship and it will be built with the help of Hyundai Heavy Industries who will provide the design and expertise to HSL.

It would be something along this line,

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Following is the Tech. Specs of the Ship that was mentioned in the RFI/RFP,

(a) Transfer FOLs to all Naval Surface units while underway at sea, using the abeam and stern transfer methods.

(b) Transfer all types of Stores, Victuals and Personnel to naval units, while underway at sea.

Fuelling at sea (FAS) which involves delivering fluids such as low speed and high speed diesel (LSHSD), aviation fuel (AVCAT), fresh water and feed water this ships will also perform tasks typically carried out by combat store ships and ammunition ships by being able to deliver a variety of solid cargoes to serve as true replenishment at sea (RAS) vessels.

Each ship will have a heavy Jackstay rig for transfer of a loads up to 2 tons and specifies that a cargo drop reel (CDR) be provided for the heavy Jackstay. The ships will also have light Jackstay rigs on either side and these will be fitted with auto tension winches to transfer loads up to 250 kg. Furthermore, each ship will also have dedicated cargo lifts for cargo spare gear, ammunition and stores.

While the above refers to connected replenishment, the FSS naturally also has to be capable of vertical replenishment. This is accomplished by the use of a multi-role helicopter that the ship has to be designed to carry and operate. As per the RFI, the FSS should be capable of staging through helicopters with max take-off weight (MTOW) of up to 16 tons. It must also use a helicopter traversing system to secure and manoeuvre the helicopter from the landing area to the hangar in all weather conditions for which the ship is designed.

The ship should have an overall length of 200 m, a beam of about 25 m and and full load displacement of 40000 tonnes. These FSSs will thus be more than 10,000 tonnes larger than India's latest fleet tankers of the Deepak Class. Interestingly the RFI also says that the draught of these ships should not exceed 10m thereby rendering them easily capable of traversing the Suez Canal and even shallower navigable channels. (Blue water Navy)

FSS will hold at a minimum 20,000 tons of LSHSD (ship fuel), 2500 tons of AVCAT (Jet Fuel), 1000 tons of Fresh water and 1400 tons of Feed water. Commensurately, the FSS according to the RFI must be able to perform a 60 day mission with the latent capability to operate for an extended mission on requirement. And the designed minimum endurance of the ship needs to be as follows (with 25 percent balance fuel left on board)-

(a) 12,000 nautical miles at 16 knots.
(b) 9,000 nautical miles at 20 knots.

The ships to have a high degree of automation and make do with a complement of about 190 with 24 officers. The RFI specifies that the IN is looking for "automation in hotel/domestic services, ship's husbandry, maintenance, logistics and management service is to be maximised." Power automation is also a requirement. Basically an Integrated Platform Management System (IPMS), is to be provided, capable of controlling and monitoring main propulsion system components, DAs, auxiliaries and ship systems including damage control systems.

Th Ship will also have to host an advance composite communication system (ACCS) fusing together all external and internal communication equipment in all modes (voice, video, IP based data) and will be of commercial off the shelf (COTS) technology grade. The ACCS will consist of two L-band radars, one E/F band radar,one log, and two echo sounders. These ships will be compatible with the IN's maritime domain awareness (MDA) network.

The requirement for RAS speed (actual speed) of 12-16 knots is specified in the RFI which is pretty much in keeping with the highest international standards. The FSS must maintain a speed of 'not less than 20 knots of maximum continuous speed, at ambient temperatures of up to 40 degrees celsius, in fully laden condition up to Sea State 3 and while less than six months out of dock. It should also be capable of an economical speed of 15 knots. Minimum transfer rates for the FAS function will be as follows - 2400 tonnes per hour (TPH) for LSHSD, 1200 TPH for AVCAT, 750 TPH for both fresh water and feed water.

The ships to have combined diesel and diesel propulsion (CODAD) in a single shaft configuration with controllable pitch propellers (CPP). The FSS will have bow thrusters commensurate with the size/ tonnage. It says the design must naturally be optimized keeping in mind overall power supply requirements that will be met through shaft generators and diesel generators of adequate capacity and required redundancy. Suitably rated emergency diesel backups must be located appropriately and should have double line shafting with CPP.

As per the RFI, the FSS should also be:

(a) Should be sea-worthy up to Sea State 8.
(b) Should be capable of operating helicopter in Sea State 5 on favourable headings.
(c) The combat systems should be operable up to Sea State 5.
(d) Should be able to survive on the best heading up to Sea State 9.
(e) Should be seaworthy after discharging all fuel and stores onboard.
(f) Should possess ballast capability.
(g) Should be capable of carrying out RAS up to sea state 5.
(h) The ship should meet all stability criteria as stipulated in NES 109.

The main hull would be constructed of all welded steel DMR 249A or equivalent. Modern polymer paints approved by IHQ MoD (N) are to be used throughout the ship. The ship is to be built in accordance with IRS Classification Society Standards which includes conforming to an amendment to MARPOL regulations (the International Convention for the Prevention of Pollution from Ships 1973 and the Protocol of 1978) that requires tankers to be double hulled. The FSS will also have active anti-corrosion and anti-fouling measures.

The RFI explicitly calls for the fitment of an 'indigenous Advanced Torpedo Defence System (ATDS)' which will be the DRDO developed Mareech. One Expendable Conductivity Depth Temperature Profile launcher is also to be fitted in the aft section, besides a store for holding ammunition. The ship will also be fitted with two 30 mm Guns and two 12.7 mm guns in addition to four chaff launchers all of which will are likely to be supplied by the Ordnance Factory Board.

The IN wants the first vessel delivered with 36 months of contract signing with one ship following every six months. :D
 
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