INDIA TO BUY 12 RUSSIAN ADVANCED S-400 AIR DEFENSE SYSTEM: SOURCES

[StraightShooter]

With Pigeons, of course!

Or you can use long range Chinese UACVs with good SOMs/LGMs... and use of semi guided rockets in saturation monsoon... cheap and cherry.

It is just across the border, you know.

But Pigeons are the best options. Combined with Spy Camels... Victory!!!!!!!!

I like Pigeons. They symbolize peace and prosperity.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

I like Pigeons. They symbolize peace and prosperity.

Ah, my indian friend,

Better Pigeons than Stupid War. Won't you agree?

5% minimum commission will be feeding the food chain in this game... and then there is life cycle cost..oh, all those fancy upgrades for super super performance.

How many schools, hospitals or universities could have been built?

But the Commission Food Chain won't let the gravy train go... and all the fan boys... having bragging rights as a plus! Both sides....

But I think you understood that from my post already.

War is a business and also helps people advance their careers.

Human Condition!


Waiting for your response to the other post of yours in ME section.

Take care,


SPF

 

[CriticalThought]

@Basel @CriticalThought @MastanKhan ....How are we gonna counter it? Any idea?

Look up the word parvenu. Apply it to Indians.

If the Indians commit the folly of aggressively bombarding Pakistani airspace with EM energy then Pakistan will proactively terminate the threat by use of overt or covert means. You realize that this is akin to active denial of airspace? I mean, think about it. What stops Indian navy from saturating Pakistani waters with mines? Why not stop navigation of our ships? Because that would be an act of war. The Indians were similarly rubbing together hands with glee like a Shylock when they acquired the Phalanx. Did it stop flights over Pakistani airspace?

The truth is, in times of peace, the system will be kept well within Indian borders. And in times of war, there are any number of radar jamming and spoofing options that Pakistan can utilize. Why do you think PAF has acquired the capacity to make drones in the country itself?

Finally, the Indians are extremely fond of giving us huge targets. Aircraft carriers, SU-30, and now the S-400. Don't worry, by the Grace of Allah Almighty, Insha Allah we will give them big explosions as well.

By the way, have you kept track of the purchase dynamics? We order 8 submarines, all of a sudden Indian orders anti-Submarine systems. We order 3 more AWACS, bringing up the number to the uncharacteristically large quantity of 9 AWACS... and all of a sudden we hear they are buying 12 S-400s. Given our border with India, 6 or 12 doesn't make any difference. The new ones are only for China, this new purchase is more a feel good against our AWACS rather than an actual increase in threat potential.

 

[Arsalan 345]

No we are paying for that, nothing is donated just like China paid for their S-400.

you are paying too much i mean 8 billion for 36 rafale hahaha.

 

[DJ_Viper]

thats right we are going to have it as a defensive weapon only sirji and its not the only weapon we intend to have to stop pakistani offensive weapons we know offense is the best defnce

What good is a defensive weapon if it doesn't work? I am surprised to see people still buying the "SA" series Russian junk. You guys and anyone else who owns this piece of scrap metal, can make it very lethal, replace every single missile's and battery's fire-control radar with an Israeli version. Trust me it'd work. There is a reason why you guys went towards the Phalcon and then the Barak / IronDome missile system. You should've stayed that course instead of buying more of this crap that can't even scare of Birds flying, let alone sophisticated jets.

Otherwise, like Syria, the Tomahawks / whatever Pakistani equivalent is, will blow up 100 yards from the missile battery and will destroy everything else, leaving this missile unit working as an example to show the world how it can't track anything even within 100 yards . Buy more Israeli missiles. They actually do work as intended.

 

[帅的一匹]

Lol.you are acquiring s-400 and thinks that paf f-16 will stop patrolling pak India border? Nice assumption.in 2020,Pakistan might have it's own Chinese copy of s-400 or s-500 system.how can you fly than? Will you fly your rafales over Myanmar or over Tibet? Lol.in Tibet,Chinese will not spare your jets.in this modern technology, pilots have been taught to take evasive action.I can beat this missile on sky with a 45degree turn against the incoming missile.this is not Somalia air force. Pakistan have all your forward air bases under missile range.you can't become different. Technology is for everyone.

Go for HQ9 Sam. Probably Hq26 in the future. Tit for tat

 

[Ultima Thule]

Do you think it will soon be time to sharpen our Missile offensive capability by introducing 7+ MIRV warheads under Ababeel program along with hypersonic cruisemissiles?!

How you get those figure bro that ababeel have 7 warheads bro know ones know how much it carries our senior member estimate it can only carries 3-4 warheads stop watching you tube too much

No we are paying for that, nothing is donated just like China paid for their S-400.

they have no deal signed by Chinese for S-400 only Su-35 is arriving to China

 

[sohailbutt1987]

How you get those figure bro that ababeel have 7 warheads bro know ones know how much it carries our senior member estimate it can only carries 3-4 warheads stop watching you tube too much

What Pakistan did with Ababeel was just foundation for a new weapon!

Pakistan will and must continue to built upon the principles of this platform and finally achieve 7+ MIRV on a single missile.

Please sir, I donot watch youtube on defence matters. I have been on defence.pk since 2006 so I know how things turn up from talk to actual stuff!

 

[Ultima Thule]

What Pakistan did with Ababeel was just foundation for a new weapon!

Pakistan will and must continue to built upon the principles of this platform and finally achieve 7+ MIRV on a single missile.

Please sir, I donot watch youtube on defence matters. I have been on defence.pk since 2006 so I know how things turn up from talk to actual stuff!

sorry to insulting you bro but currently we have Ababeel1 which our senior members speculating 3-4 warheads, it will be a long way to achieve the goal of increase its warhead to 7

 

[Mufflerman]

Pakistan isn't Syria.

Yes, Syria has Russian cover. What does Pak have? Other than your online bravado about China making an s400 copy and then gifting it to Pak, all in another 2 years.

 

[Safriz]

In a war S-400 isn't immune to a swarm of cruise missiles, which Pakistan can fire at each unit.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

well your so called ababeel is not yet even as we speak in second phase of R&D preparation let alone oprational it needs at least 5 more test at least to get there ... and then further 3 more to get its MIRV ready for oprational use but yes pakistani kids like you can jump around before knowing the facts cause your ISPR feeds your media all thios and then some stupid tarzianigars make fool of your gullible nation on it and we all saw what happenned in kargil for taht

but anyway past is past and pakistnies do not learn from past mistakes so why should we bother keep dreaming till the day comes

Please...As I said, your S400 won't give you a desired sense of security...We will neutralize them and you have to buy another shiny stuff only to see it getting destroyed by us...

Just like you guys pissed Russians by downing their jets one be one, you will piss Russians again...

 

[Arsalan]

take it like this to create a good EMP you need at least a 200 KTN explossion in indian territory at level of arould 20 KM to have EMP to fry all the cuircits way up till 100 mile radius but do you have that capablity and what after that cause cause it will still not reach delhi then comes indian responeses or even before it do you really thing indians with all those radars and satteliets will keep sitting with there hands and there hands let let pakistnies do this and get away ... think again dear we have much much knowledge more than most politicians in pakistan itslef about your storage , strength and actual capcity to do harm so please talk logical

Really?
Will love some technical data on this. The 200 kT explosions the height and the EMP radius (that you said to be 100 mile )
Please do share your valuable knowledge on this subject with all of us.

this is what cold war game plan of USA was all about and we are doing it to your nation now exactly u know what bleeding dry means

We are happy as long as you think you are doing it right.
Funny coming from a country with hundreds of thousands of security personal tied up by what you yourself call as "a few hundred trouble makers" in Kashmir,

well your so called ababeel is not yet even as we speak in second phase of R&D preparation let alone oprational it needs at least 5 more test at least to get there ... and then further 3 more to get its MIRV ready for oprational use but yes pakistani kids like you can jump around before knowing the facts cause your ISPR feeds your media all thios and then some stupid tarzianigars make fool of your gullible nation on it and we all saw what happenned in kargil for taht

Any source to back up your claims or this is just one of those "Rafale completes our triad" delusions?

Grow up!

You are allowed here as you are addicted to this Pakistani forum, but don't act like a junky!

we know how russian stuff and israeli stuff works and we intend to use them in tandem not isolation with our own inputs and hardware and softwares we have created after many tests and retests over a period of time with help of french , russians and israelies a web of not just SA batteries but AIR based and Aerostat and ground based radar radars at different levels to make a multi layered and multi band radar coverage backed by a multi layered SA cover so do not worry sir we are doing every bid S400 is just one part of that jig saw puzzle ... SIR

The same inputs the fear of which almost made Rafale back out of a multi billion dollar move?
Oh you don't know it, right?

 

[Arsalan]

well keep challenging them i do not care anyway dear and im not botherred who says what cause its just an online deabting forum where im for a litle recration and a healthy debate not prooving any point you can make your own assumption i dont care

Thank you for not caring in 13922 times for last 6/7 years

healthy debate
So why dont you start doing it man? Its been 7 years now!! Why still waiting?

 

[ghazi768]

INDIA TO BUY 12 RUSSIAN ADVANCED S-400 AIR DEFENSE SYSTEM: SOURCES
SUNDAY, JUNE 11, 2017 BY INDIANDEFENSE NEWS

Sources reported that India has decided to buy 12 units of Russia's advanced S-400 ADS instead of the earlier proposal to acquire only 5 such units
Rakesh Krishnan Simha wrote in RIR, "The year is 2020. A posse of F-16 jet fighters takes off from the main Pakistan Air Force (PAF) base in Sargodha. Approximately 300 km east, at the Adampur air force base, an Indian S-400 air defence system picks up these aircraft almost instantly. The radar lock unnerves the F-16 pilots and they peel further west – away from the battery’s range."
While taking evasive action the PAF jets have to be careful not to stray into Afghanistan – which is increasingly hostile towards Islamabad – or Iran. The Pakistani pilots, however, realise trespass is the least of their problems. As the F-16s arrive over Baluchistan – the furthest they can get away from the Indian border – they are tracked by another S-400 battery stationed near the Jodhpur air force base 527 km away.

The S-400 systems are routinely scanning the airspace around them in a 360 degree sweep, but the PAF pilots are on the verge of panic. Between the overlapping coverage by India’s multiple S-400 battalions stationed along the border, PAF aircraft can run but not hide. This is the fishbowl effect – the feeling of being observed from all sides.
The most devastating impact of India acquiring the S-400 Triumf will be on the Pakistani military’s psyche. With its 600 km tracking range – and a 400 km kill range – the Russian air defence system will increase the vulnerability of all Pakistani air assets, especially fighter aircraft, missiles and drones, by several orders of magnitude.
Their 600 km tracking range – and a 400 km kill range – will allow just three S-400 battalions located on the border to cover all of Pakistan, except the western extremity of its restive Baluchistan province. With Afghanistan turning hostile and upending Pakistan’s grandiose plans of acquiring strategic depth, the arrival of the S-400 will squeeze the operational capabilities of both its offensive and defensive assets.
Because of its blistering speed of 17,000 kph, an S-400 missile fired from Adampur, Punjab, will take just 65 seconds to hit an F-16 flying over Sargodha. Ejection – rather than evasive action – would be the sensible option against a missile coming at you at that speed.
The S-400’s deployment will widen the window of vulnerability of Pakistan’s air force, army and strategic missile forces.

• First up, PAF jets will be forced to operate hundreds of kilometres west of the Indian border and will have to fly in a narrow strip of airspace along the borders of Iran and Afghanistan.

• Secondly, they will not be able to come to the defence of their armour and troop concentrations which would be taking a pounding from Indian artillery and the Indian Air Force (IAF).

• The system can even function as a ballistic missile killer until India’s indigenous Prithvi Air Defence (PAD) comes online in the coming decade.

Old & Trusted Ally
Since the Soviet era, Russia and India have enjoyed mutually beneficial strategic relations, especially in the field of defense and military cooperation.
In 2014, the total value of weapons and military hardware delivered by Russia to India reached $4.7 billion, according to Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation estimates.
The S-400 Triumph is an air defense missile system, which integrates a multi-function radar, autonomous detection and targeting systems, anti-aircraft missile systems, launchers, and command and control center. It is capable of firing different three types of missiles capable of destroying aerial targets at short-to-extremely long range.
Delivery Timeline
Russia could begin shipping the S-400 ‘Triumf’ anti- aircraft missile defence systems to India in 2020, Sergey Chemezov, head of the state corporation Rostec informed reporters attending the BRICS summit in Goa.
He was briefing reporters after the 17th India-Russia summit between President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi saw a slew of agreements being signed, including one on India’s purchase of advanced S-400 air defence systems.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2017/06/india-to-buy-12-russian-advanced-s-400.html

This analysis must have been done by the same idiot who analysed test firing of our SLCM on Indian tv. This idiot does not know that there is a thing called radar horizon and a mobile based search radar with a height of 10-20 m in plains or desert at 300 km will be above 4 km in altitude.

Placing their longest range SAMs, geared for a multi-layered in depth strategic air defence, at interceptor airbases nearest to our borders will be a God-send opportunity for us.. and will not be missed..