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India to back UN on action against Syria

Read the figures i posted above

the connection

Assad is pro russia and has good relations with china too.He wants to deal in euro and other currencies not only dollar and US will not let that happen as it will cause devaluation of dollar and impact their business.Is it so hard to understand??

It was the same reason in case of iraq in case u still think there were WMD'S:omghaha:



U ARE OBVIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT SHALE RESERVES..............still dosen't hurt to control the supply chain of the rest of the oil does it??

thats why US has a base in all middle eastern countries exceptIran and syria(even the ones not giving base are allies) and as usual USA wants them dead

There are other countries who deal with euros and we don't care about them. THERE is the ENTIRE EUROPE practically that only deals with euro, if you had not heard.- and they are our allies.

Assad is free and has been free to deal in whatever . the US does not ask / force you to deal in their currency when you deal with other countries. Is the US going to attack India for it dealing in rupees with Iran?

We have bases all over the world , that is why we are a superpower. per your logic since we don't have one in India- we would want you dead too? You are full wild conspiracy assumptions honestly.

what supply chain do we control exclusively for us? everything that is open to us is open to others in the world.

this is the height of stupidity to align US dollars and bases to this...we are not even planning a boots on the ground retaliation. Our president is reluctant to do this even.
 
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There are other countries who deal with euros and we don't care about them. THERE is the ENTIRE EUROPE practically that only deals with euro, if you had not heard.- and they are our allies.

Assad is free and has been free to deal in whatever . the US does ask / force you to deal in their currency when you deal with other countries. Is the US going to attack India for it dealing in rupees with Iran?

We have bases all over the world , that is why we are a superpower. per your logic since we don't have one in India- we would want you dead too? You are full wild conspiracy assumptions honestly.

what supply chain do we control exclusively for us? everything that is open to us is open to others in the world.


As usual u know nothing whats happening around.Pls go to any forum,ask anyone why IRAQ was attacked,,,,,and then come here to talk.

Take the example of iran...........its selling oil to india in rupees and not dollars now,,,saddam had wowed to deal with nations in their own currency and he got fucked badly.

Really??

check the price of oil pre 2003 and now and post the figures here

has the oil decreased?no,infact more has been found

so what changed??

here let me spoon feed u again
http://www.int-politics.com/Articles/No3/mamdouh salameh.pdf
Was the Iraq War to Grab Oil
PolitiFact Virginia | Sen. Jim Webb says Iraq war is major reason for oil price increases
http://www.cfr.org/iraq/cost-iraq-war-hinges-oil-question/p15764

548px-Crude_oil_price_WTI_EIA_since_2000.svg.png

now don't tell me u cannot connect the dots here!!

now make a credible point or don't waste my time
 
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There are other countries who deal with euros and we don't care about them. THERE is the ENTIRE EUROPE practically that only deals with euro, if you had not heard.- and they are our allies.

Assad is free and has been free to deal in whatever . the US does not ask / force you to deal in their currency when you deal with other countries. Is the US going to attack India for it dealing in rupees with Iran?

We have bases all over the world , that is why we are a superpower. per your logic since we don't have one in India- we would want you dead too? You are full wild conspiracy assumptions honestly.

what supply chain do we control exclusively for us? everything that is open to us is open to others in the world.

this is the height of stupidity to align US dollars and bases to this...we are not even planning a boots on the ground retaliation. Our president is reluctant to do this even.

he is reluctant because ppl are fed up of useless wars over hegemony..........are u too blind to see that thing??
Do u seriously believe america is coming to rescue ppl??
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he is reluctant because ppl are fed up of useless wars over hegemony..........are u too blind to see that thing??
Do u seriously believe america is coming to rescue ppl??
:taz:

so now you seem to know why he is reluctant? I thought we were not when you claimed we wanted currency power and bases... Their is no hegemony .

It people like you that make India weak because you are too afraid to stand up for or to anything

Yes we are coming to rescue because of those being gassed...

there is not going to be regime change because we lob missiles and destroy some air defenses and chemical weapons sites. what part of that is not getting through your noggin? We are they to make sure that chemical weapons is not used.

As usual u know nothing whats happening around.Pls go to any forum,ask anyone why IRAQ was attacked,,,,,and then come here to talk.

Take the example of iran...........its selling oil to india in rupees and not dollars now,,,saddam had wowed to deal with nations in their own currency and he got fucked badly.

Really??

check the price of oil pre 2003 and now and post the figures here

has the oil decreased?no,infact more has been found

so what changed??

here let me spoon feed u again
http://www.int-politics.com/Articles/No3/mamdouh salameh.pdf
Was the Iraq War to Grab Oil
PolitiFact Virginia | Sen. Jim Webb says Iraq war is major reason for oil price increases
http://www.cfr.org/iraq/cost-iraq-war-hinges-oil-question/p15764

now don't tell me u cannot connect the dots here!!

now make a credible point or don't waste my time

are you delusional or on ADHD meds? wait don't answer.

You claim we are attacking them for US dollars currency being maintained and then when I prove that to be rubbish, you go off some oil and rupee rant? :rofl:

DUDE there is something called EU , they use their form of currency among themselves. Why if europe is using it and we don't care, should we bother with pi ss poor syria?

What the hell does Iraq have to with syria? I ask again.
 
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so now you seem to know why he is reluctant? I thought we were not when you claimed we wanted currency power and bases... Their is no hegemony .

It people like you that make India weak because you are too afraid to stand up for or to anything

Yes we are coming to rescue because of those being gassed...

there is not going to be regime change because we lob missiles and destroy some air defenses and chemical weapons sites. what part of that is not getting through your noggin? We are they to make sure that chemical weapons is not used.

reasons
1)U are gonna come as u need a new base to attack iran(over alleged nuclear weapons).........in the coming time
2)syria is the only ally of iran in middle east and u wanna cut the chord
3)once again oil prices will rise and benefit oil companies majority of which are western...............look at the graph i posted
4)syria is the only middle east country left with a russian base.......u wanna change that


And don't speak up for india,,,we can manage that ourselves,first pick up a book or start reading a newspaper,studies have shown it really helps:taz::omghaha:

And by the way genius pls read about 1971 india pakistan war and tell me in the next post who was coming with an aircraft carrier to attack india??

hint:u live there
 
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reasons
1)U are gonna come as u need a new base to attack iran(over alleged nuclear weapons).........in the coming time
2)syria is the only ally of iran in middle east and u wanna cut the chord
3)once again oil prices will rise and benefit oil companies majority of which are western...............look at the graph i posted
4)syria is the only middle east country left with a russian base.......u wanna change that


And don't speak up for india,,,we can manage that ourselves,first pick up a book or start reading a newspaper,studies have shown it really helps:taz::omghaha:

Reasons all of a delusional mind. we use 25% of the world's oil , why would we want price to increase on us! and OPEC sets prices not america. Prices go up Russia gets wealthy because they are heavily dependent on oil exports.

rest of your delusional about wanting bases? why would we want a base when we have plenty

You are coming up with crackpot assumptions ...
 
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Reasons all of a delusional mind. we use 25% of the world's oil , why would we want price to increase on us! and OPEC sets prices not america. Prices go up Russia gets wealthy because they are heavily dependent on oil exports.

rest of your delusional about wanting bases? why would we want a base when we have plenty

You are coming up with crackpot assumptions ...

u fool majority of the oil companies are western so ultimately ur economy gains!!

have u heard of the name like standard oil??

u know jack **** and have the nerve to challenge me??

and u actually believe that USA went to Vietnam,iraq and afganistan to protect their peoples rights??
wow
 
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Reasons all of a delusional mind. we use 25% of the world's oil , why would we want price to increase on us! and OPEC sets prices not america. Prices go up Russia gets wealthy because they are heavily dependent on oil exports.

rest of your delusional about wanting bases? why would we want a base when we have plenty

You are coming up with crackpot assumptions ...

at least have the courtesy to believe a WSJ article??

Why Obama Is Being Pulled Into Syrian Conflict - WSJ.com
http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2012/08/the_real_reason_for_syrias_con.html
 
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first learn to comprehend what WSJ article is saying. second , try not link me things written by a Syrian Christian in america , who naturally allies himself with Assad. i.e. Cleveland article.

u fool majority of the oil companies are western so ultimately ur economy gains!!

have u heard of the name like standard oil??

u know jack **** and have the nerve to challenge me??

and u actually believe that USA went to Vietnam,iraq and afganistan to protect their peoples rights??
wow

Listen child. when Oil prices go up, our economy falters. we have to pay way more as citizens , and citizens elect governments. Oil prices being high is a huge political problem.

Largest Oil companies in the world.
1. Saudi Aramco - 12.5 million barrels per day
2. Russia Gazprom - 9.7 million barrels per day
3. National Iranian Oil Co. - 6.4 million barrels per day

4. ExxonMobil - 5.3 million barrels per day
5. PetroChina - 4.4 million barrels per day
6. UK- BP - 4.1 million barrels per day
7. Royal Dutch Shell - 3.9 million barrels per day
8. Mexico Pemex - 3.6 million barrels per day
9. Chevron - 3.5 million barrels per day
10. Kuwait Petroleum Corp. - 3.2 million barrels per day




we went Vietnam to keep the Russians at bay, we went to Iraq over faulty intelligence- tell us where we benefited after trillions we spent and have got nothing in return, and Afghanistan was because they attacked us on 911.

next lesson in history...
 
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first learn to comprehend what WSJ article is saying. second , try not link me things written by a Syrian Christian in america , who naturally allies himself with Assad. i.e. Cleveland article.

did u even read the political reasons??
why are u behaving so naive??are u really so foolish

here is more
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jul/28/iraq.usa(just read the first para)
http://rense.com/general34/realre.htm(currency related)
The Real Reason for the Iraq War –

are these ppl fools??Iraq war winners were oil barons and mercenaries - Mirror Online

did u even read the political reasons??
why are u behaving so naive??are u really so foolish

here is more
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jul/28/iraq.usa(just read the first para)
http://rense.com/general34/realre.htm(currency related)
The Real Reason for the Iraq War –

are these ppl fools??Iraq war winners were oil barons and mercenaries - Mirror Online

what will be ur excuse now??

first learn to comprehend what WSJ article is saying. second , try not link me things written by a Syrian Christian in america , who naturally allies himself with Assad. i.e. Cleveland article.



Listen child. when Oil prices go up, our economy falters. we have to pay way more as citizens , and citizens elect governments. Oil prices being high is a huge political problem.

Largest 3 Oil companies in the world.
1. Saudi Aramco - 12.5 million barrels per day
2. Russia Gazprom - 9.7 million barrels per day
3. National Iranian Oil Co. - 6.4 million barrels per day


we went Vietnam to keep the Russians at bay, we went to Iraq over faulty intelligence- tell us where we benefited after trillions we spent and have got nothing in return, and Afghanistan was because they attacked us on 911.

next lesson in history...

excerpt
"Although apparently suppressed in the U.S. media, one of the answers to the Iraq enigma is simple yet shocking. The upcoming war in Iraq war is mostly about how the CIA, the Federal Reserve and the Bush/Cheney administration view hydrocarbons at the geo-strategic level, and the unspoken but overarching macroeconomic threats to the U.S. dollar from the euro. The Real Reasons for this upcoming war is this administration's goal of preventing further OPEC momentum towards the euro as an oil transaction currency standard, and to secure control of Iraq's oil before the onset of Peak Oil (predicted to occur around 2010). However, in order to pre-empt OPEC, they need to gain geo-strategic control of Iraq along with its 2nd largest proven oil reserves. This essay will discuss the macroeconomics of the `petrodollar' and the unpublicized but real threat to U.S. economic hegemony from the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency. The following is how an individual very well versed in the nuances of macroeconomics alluded to the unspoken truth about this upcoming war with Iraq: "

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html
This article was published in 2003
thank god u learnt new things today
 
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first learn to comprehend what WSJ article is saying. second , try not link me things written by a Syrian Christian in america , who naturally allies himself with Assad. i.e. Cleveland article.



Listen child. when Oil prices go up, our economy falters. we have to pay way more as citizens , and citizens elect governments. Oil prices being high is a huge political problem.

Largest Oil companies in the world.
1. Saudi Aramco - 12.5 million barrels per day
2. Russia Gazprom - 9.7 million barrels per day
3. National Iranian Oil Co. - 6.4 million barrels per day

4. ExxonMobil - 5.3 million barrels per day
5. PetroChina - 4.4 million barrels per day
6. UK- BP - 4.1 million barrels per day
7. Royal Dutch Shell - 3.9 million barrels per day
8. Mexico Pemex - 3.6 million barrels per day
9. Chevron - 3.5 million barrels per day
10. Kuwait Petroleum Corp. - 3.2 million barrels per day



we went Vietnam to keep the Russians at bay, we went to Iraq over faulty intelligence- tell us where we benefited after trillions we spent and have got nothing in return, and Afghanistan was because they attacked us on 911.

next lesson in history...

u have already screwed urself by failing to back ur story up??

i have provided 10 credible links and still u won't wake up?

ok have more
http://www.feasta.org/documents/papers/oil1.htm
http://ftmdaily.com/preparing-for-the-collapse-of-the-petrodollar-system-part-3/
http://www.sfbg.com/politics/2013/03/19/lies-war
http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=15830
 
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u have already screwed urself by failing to back ur story up??

i have provided 10 credible links and still u won't wake up?

I have screwed myself about what kiddo?

You claimed largest oil companies , majority were US. you were wrong:help:

none of your links says we are going there to force Syria to use dollars :cuckoo:

none of your links say we are going there to get a base :cuckoo:

half your links don't work ...even those from weird sites


we are not even sending any boots on the ground there... so I suggest you go back to the classroom, this delusional talk is not helping
 
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Reasons all of a delusional mind. we use 25% of the world's oil , why would we want price to increase on us! and OPEC sets prices not america. Prices go up Russia gets wealthy because they are heavily dependent on oil exports.

rest of your delusional about wanting bases? why would we want a base when we have plenty

You are coming up with crackpot assumptions ...

now if u even have an iota of self respect left u will stop arguing

I have screwed myself about what kiddo?

You claimed largest oil companies , majority were US. you were wrong:help:

none of your links says we are going there to force Syria to use dollars :cuckoo:

none of your links say we are going there to get a base :cuckoo:


we are not even sending any boots on the ground there... so I suggest you go back to the classroom, this delusional talk is not helping

i think u should go to a doctor.............clearly u read no article??

and u assume america invaded to help democracy??and u are calling me kiddo:taz:
 
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now if u even have an iota of self respect left u will stop arguing



i think u should go to a doctor.............clearly u read no article??

and u assume america invaded to help democracy??and u are calling me kiddo:taz:

half your links don't work. you don't know how to submit links here. and then you have links from garbage sites too included. Like who the hell is leerockwell :rofl:

I never assumed america invaded to help democracy
 
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I have screwed myself about what kiddo?

You claimed largest oil companies , majority were US. you were wrong:help:

none of your links says we are going there to force Syria to use dollars :cuckoo:

none of your links say we are going there to get a base :cuckoo:

half your links don't work ...even those from weird sites


we are not even sending any boots on the ground there... so I suggest you go back to the classroom, this delusional talk is not helping

some basic economics will help


" The dollar is the de facto world reserve currency: the US currency accounts for approximately two thirds of all official exchange reserves. More than four-fifths of all foreign exchange transactions and half of all world exports are denominated in dollars. In addition, all IMF loans are denominated in dollars.

But the more dollars there are circulating outside the US, or invested by foreign owners in American assets, the more the rest of the world has had to provide the US with goods and services in exchange for these dollars. The dollars cost the US next to nothing to produce, so the fact that the world uses the currency in this way means that the US is importing vast quantities of goods and services virtually for free.

Since so many foreign-owned dollars are not spent on American goods and services, the US is able to run a huge trade deficit year after year without apparently any major economic consequences. The most recently published figures, for example, show that in November of last year US imports were worth 48% more than US exports1. No other country can run such a large trade deficit with impunity. The financial media tell us the US is acting as the 'consumer of last resort' and the implication is that we should be thankful, but a more enlightening description of this state of affairs would be to say that it is getting a massive interest-free loan from the rest of the world.

One of the stated economic objectives, and perhaps the primary objective, when setting up the euro was to turn it into a reserve currency to challenge the dollar so that Europe too could get something for nothing.

This however would be a disaster for the US. Not only would they lose a large part of their annual subsidy of effectively free goods and services, but countries switching to euro reserves from dollar reserves would bring down the value of the US currency. Imports would start to cost Americans a lot more and as increasing numbers of those holding dollars began to spend them, the US would have to start paying its debts by supplying in goods and services to foreign countries, thus reducing American living standards. As countries and businesses converted their dollar assets into euro assets, the US property and stock market bubbles would, without doubt, burst. The Federal Reserve would no longer be able to print more money to reflate the bubble, as it is currently openly considering doing, because, without lots of eager foreigners prepared to mop them up, a serious inflation would result which, in turn, would make foreigners even more reluctant to hold the US currency and thus heighten the crisis.

There is though one major obstacle to this happening: oil. Oil is not just by far the most important commodity traded internationally, it is the lifeblood of all modern industrialised economies. If you don't have oil, you have to buy it. And if you want to buy oil on the international markets, you usually have to have dollars. Until recently all OPEC countries agreed to sell their oil for dollars only. So long as this remained the case, the euro was unlikely to become the major reserve currency: there is not a lot of point in stockpiling euros if every time you need to buy oil you have to change them into dollars. This arrangement also meant that the US effectively part-controlled the entire world oil market: you could only buy oil if you had dollars, and only one country had the right to print dollars - the US.

If on the other hand OPEC were to decide to accept euros only for its oil (assuming for a moment it were allowed to make this decision), then American economic dominance would be over. Not only would Europe not need as many dollars anymore, but Japan which imports over 80% of its oil from the Middle East would think it wise to convert a large portion of its dollar assets to euro assets (Japan is the major subsidiser of the US because it holds so many dollar investments). The US on the other hand, being the world's largest oil importer would have to run a trade surplus to acquire euros. The conversion from trade deficit to trade surplus would have to be achieved at a time when its property and stock market prices were collapsing and its domestic supplies of oil and gas were contracting. It would be a very painful conversion.

The purely economic arguments for OPEC converting to the euro, at least for a while, seem very strong. The Euro-zone does not run a huge trade deficit nor is it heavily endebted to the rest of the world like the US and interest rates in the Euro-zone are also significantly higher. The Euro-zone has a larger share of world trade than the US and is the Middle East's main trading partner. And nearly everything you can buy for dollars you can also buy for euros - apart, of course, from oil. Furthermore, if OPEC were to convert their dollar assets to euro assets and then require payment for oil in Euros, their assets would immediately increase in value, since oil importing countries would be forced to also convert part of their assets, driving the prices up. For OPEC, backing the euro would be a self-fulfilling prophesy. They could then at some later date move to some other currency, perhaps back to the dollar, and again make huge profits.

But of course it is not a purely economic decision.

So far only one OPEC country has dared switch to the euro: Iraq, in November 20002, 3. There is little doubt that this was a deliberate attempt by Saddam to strike back at the US, but in economic terms it has also turned out to have been a huge success: at the time of Iraq's conversion the euro was worth around 83 US cents but it is now worth over $1.05. There may however be other consequences to this decision.

One other OPEC country has been talking publicly about possible conversion to the euro since 1999: Iran2,4, a country which has since been included in the George W. Bush's 'axis of evil'.

A third OPEC country which has recently fallen out with the US government is Venezuela and it too has been showing disloyalty to the dollar. Under Hugo Chavez's rule, Venezuela has established barter deals for trading its oil with 12 Latin American countries as well as Cuba. This means that the US is missing out on its usual subsidy and might help explain the American wish to see the back of Chavez. At the OPEC summit in September 2000, Chavez delivered to the OPEC heads of state the report of the 'International Seminar on the Future of Energy', a conference called by Chavez earlier that year to examine the future supplies of both fossil and renewable energies. One of the two key recommendations of the report was that 'OPEC take advantage of high-tech electronic barter and bi-lateral exchanges of its oil with its developing country customers'5, i.e. OPEC should avoid using both the dollar and the euro for many transactions.

And last April, a senior OPEC representative gave a public speech in Spain during Spain's presidency of the EU during which he made clear that though OPEC had as yet no plans to make oil available for euros, it was an option that was being considered and which could well be of economic benefit to many OPEC countries, particularly those of the Middle East6.

As oil production is now in decline in most oil producing countries, the importance of the remaining large oil producers, particularly those of the Middle East, is going to grow and grow in years to come7.

Iraq, whose oil production has been severely curtailed by sanctions, is one of a very small number of countries which can help ease this looming oil shortage. Europe, like most of the rest of the world, wishes to see a peaceful resolution of the current US-Iraqi tensions and a gradual lifting of the sanctions - this would certainly serve its interests best. But as Iraqi oil is denominated in euros, allowing it to become more widely available at present could loosen the dollar stranglehold and possibly do more damage than good to US economic health.

All of this is bad news for the US economy and the dollar. The fear for Washington will be that not only will the future price of oil not be right, but the currency might not be right either. Which perhaps helps explain why the US is increasingly turning to its second major tool for dominating world affairs: military force.

Energy and climate section of this website

Petrodollar or Petroeuro? A new source of global conflict: November 2004 article by Cóilín Nunan
 
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