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India set to take part in SCO anti-terror exercise in Pakistan

Russia brought Indians in and Pakistan didnt object.
since then Indians have raised objections on every project or plan that involves Pakistan in the SCO related cooperation and development of trade and infrastructure. meaning the member states have to come with alternatives.
membership is only through unanimous vote and Pakistani govt of the time was sleeping.
I logged in after months of not doing so, just so I can correct you.

Pakistan and India gained membership on the exact same day. Pakistan didn't object, because Pakistan had no power to object, as it was not a member.

The condition for China to bring in Pakistan into the SCO was to allow Russia to get India into the SCO.

With the correction made, I will once again leave.

Oh, and @blueazure , if you don't understand how geopolitics and international commitments work, that's okay. There's nothing to be ashamed of. However, that does mean you should first read about a subject before commenting on it.

With that, I'm out.
 
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I logged in after months of not doing so, just so I can correct you.

Pakistan and India gained membership on the exact same day. Pakistan didn't object, because Pakistan had no power to object, as it was not a member.

The condition for China to bring in Pakistan into the SCO was to allow Russia to get India into the SCO.

With the correction made, I will once again leave.

Oh, and @blueazure , if you don't understand how geopolitics and international commitments work, that's okay. There's nothing to be ashamed of. However, that does mean you should first read about a subject before commenting on it.

With that, I'm out.
thanks for correcting me. I will make a note in original post.

you take care.
 
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Considering there have been reports of Indian and Pakistani troops working together under the UN umbrella and previous SCO exercises, I think we should not be surprised if there is not much masala during the exercises.
Check out our armies dancing during SCO 2018 :lol:
 
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Oh, and @blueazure , if you don't understand how geopolitics and international commitments work, that's okay. There's nothing to be ashamed of. However, that does mean you should first read about a subject before commenting on it.


i understand geo politics since you were in diapers - no thanks




a word of advice - trolling is easy , shit posting even easier

drafting 2 coherent lines worth reading - far difficult
 
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Under the SCO, where india was invited to join the organization, at the behest of Russia. It should be noted that Pakistan stands towering over india, who has to bite the bullet and participate as a member state of the SCO. In particular, india's participation is a sign of embarrassment for the indians, especially after it's humiliating defeats in the Air Battle over Kashmir and it's border skirmish in Ladakh.

It is unfortunate that india doesn't fully understand or appreciate the importance that China, Russia and even Pakistan have placed over having this country be part of the regional group. Instead, india continually moves toward the West, who is and will continue to "milk the cow (india)" for all it's worth. By readily joining the american led QUAD, a NATO equivalent of the Pacific. india has again demonstrated it's utter foolishness and adolescent behavior when it comes to it's regional neighbors.

The more india moves closer toward the West, the distant it will become with Russia. And Russia is a country not to be trifled with. This goes to Pakistan's advantage, who can seek to establish a meaningful and deep rooted relationship with Russia. Equally important for Pakistan, is to establish peaceful relations and strong ties with it's immediate neighborhood, i.e Iran, Afghanistan and the Central Asian Republics.

Having a stable and regulated economy, Pakistan is poised to capitalize on CPEC and enhance trade volumes with it's immediate neighbors (excluding india of course), is essential for strengthening Pakistan. And it goes without saying, that Pakistan must. at all costs, extricate itself from the IMF/WB debt trap.
 
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Under the SCO, where india was invited to join the organization, at the behest of Russia. It should be noted that Pakistan stands towering over india, who has to bite the bullet and participate as a member state of the SCO. In particular, india's participation is a sign of embarrassment for the indians, especially after it's humiliating defeats in the Air Battle over Kashmir and it's border skirmish in Ladakh.

It is unfortunate that india doesn't fully understand or appreciate the importance that China, Russia and even Pakistan have placed over having this country be part of the regional group. Instead, india continually moves toward the West, who is and will continue to "milk the cow (india)" for all it's worth. By readily joining the american led QUAD, a NATO equivalent of the Pacific. india has again demonstrated it's utter foolishness and adolescent behavior when it comes to it's regional neighbors.

The more india moves closer toward the West, the distant it will become with Russia. And Russia is a country not to be trifled with. This goes to Pakistan's advantage, who can seek to establish a meaningful and deep rooted relationship with Russia. Equally important for Pakistan, is to establish peaceful relations and strong ties with it's immediate neighborhood, i.e Iran, Afghanistan and the Central Asian Republics.

Having a stable and regulated economy, Pakistan is poised to capitalize on CPEC and enhance trade volumes with it's immediate neighbors (excluding india of course), is essential for strengthening Pakistan. And it goes without saying, that Pakistan must. at all costs, extricate itself from the IMF/WB debt trap.
Pakistan so much wanted to join SCO without India, but was thwarted by Russia's support. Now with Iran soon joining SCO, we will have another Indian ally in this group.
In the coming years, we might join OIC too given we have the 3rd largest muslim population. There will be hardly a forum left where Pakistan can play its games without India checkmating it.
 
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hum begharti aur buzdili ki hadd tak aman pasand qoum hain
 
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Pakistan so much wanted to join SCO without India, but was thwarted by Russia's support. Now with Iran soon joining SCO, we will have another Indian ally in this group.
In the coming years, we might join OIC too given we have the 3rd largest muslim population. There will be hardly a forum left where Pakistan can play its games without India checkmating it.

See that is india's "Achilles Heel", it's obsession, whether it wants to admit or not, is with Pakistan. Which is why india's strategy is infinitesimal, no matter how many organizations I decides to join.

I remember, on the inauguration of Imran Khan becoming Pakistan's Prime Minister, an indian MP - Navjot Singh (former cricketer) was invited to Pakistan. There Pakistan's Chief of Army Staff - General Bajwa met with the indian MP and said to him in clear and dead certain terms (twice), "We want peace." I can guarantee you that no indian army chief would have the courage or the balls to say what the Pakistan Army Chief said to the indian MP.

So yeah, keep living in that fantastical, alternate universe. It is truly disappointing to see india make choices which will end up in the country being on the wrong side of history.

As for Iran, I think most Pakistanis and most Afghans know this, that the enemies of Islam have always ALWAYS exploited and manipulated the Shia-Sunni divide. Today, from amongst us Pakistanis and Afghans, will emerge a rapprochement that will bring Shias and Sunnis of the region, at a better understanding of mutual respect and coordination toward peace, in-sha-Allah.
 
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Where would Indians hide when Paksitan would reveal how India trains terrorists and launch them into Pakistan - and how to eliminate them and their supporters across the border.
 
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Pakistan so much wanted to join SCO without India, but was thwarted by Russia's support. Now with Iran soon joining SCO, we will have another Indian ally in this group.
In the coming years, we might join OIC too given we have the 3rd largest muslim population. There will be hardly a forum left where Pakistan can play its games without India checkmating it.

With the gradual deepening of China's investment in Iran and CEPC, Iran and Pakistan are bound to have more and more economic ties.
The Chinese believe that economic relations determine political relations and political relations determine military relations. It is a historical occasionality for the two countries to get some quarrel, and it is a historical necessity for the two countries to move towards harmony.
 
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Considering there have been reports of Indian and Pakistani troops working together under the UN umbrella and previous SCO exercises, I think we should not be surprised if there is not much masala during the exercises.
Check out our armies dancing during SCO 2018 :lol:
I blame Russians for that .😁
 
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With the gradual deepening of China's investment in Iran and CEPC, Iran and Pakistan are bound to have more and more economic ties.
The Chinese believe that economic relations determine political relations and political relations determine military relations. It is a historical occasionality for the two countries to get some quarrel, and it is a historical necessity for the two countries to move towards harmony.
we have no beef with Iran, they call us a brother country (on a government level) and supreme leader talked about Kashmir multiple times
its just that Pak was with US and they isolated Iran - so we couldn't do business with them
if we start trading (don't know how though- cause US is still angry at Iran) I am sure we'll be close partners - there's no issue here, no territorial dispute

No issues with Iran in SCO, infact a very good decision

but China really did a real bad job with giving the go ahead to India- damaged SCO in the long run
 
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There Pakistan's Chief of Army Staff - General Bajwa met with the indian MP and said to him in clear and dead certain terms (twice), "We want peace." I can guarantee you that no indian army chief would have the courage or the balls to say what the Pakistan Army Chief said to the indian MP.
This happened because most of the policies are decided by the establishment in Pakistan. In India the Defence Chiefs have a mandate and they remain within that. They don’t go around making statements like your Chiefs and DG ISPR.
So it is not about size of the balls but the mandate.

As far as making promises goes, the credibility of your establishment has been lost so many times that no one believes them anymore. In 1965 they pushed insurgents in Kashmir in the guise of non-regulars. Then Musharraf the great planned and executed Kargil even while the Indian PM was starting the process of building up the bridges. He blindsided your PM. No Chief would dare do that in India.

Hence, it is not about the size of the balls but the mandate and credibility. And we know who is to be blamed for the same.
 
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See that is india's "Achilles Heel", it's obsession, whether it wants to admit or not, is with Pakistan. Which is why india's strategy is infinitesimal, no matter how many organizations I decides to join.
Foreign policy is never one-dimensional. We are tackling many other issues while tackling Pakistan as well.

I remember, on the inauguration of Imran Khan becoming Pakistan's Prime Minister, an indian MP - Navjot Singh (former cricketer) was invited to Pakistan. There Pakistan's Chief of Army Staff - General Bajwa met with the indian MP and said to him in clear and dead certain terms (twice), "We want peace." I can guarantee you that no indian army chief would have the courage or the balls to say what the Pakistan Army Chief said to the indian MP.
We have long since learned nevery to take a Pakistani leader to his face value. In '99, Vajpayee was invited to Lahore and your political leadership talked friendship but your military was at the same time invading in Kargil.

As for Iran, I think most Pakistanis and most Afghans know this, that the enemies of Islam have always ALWAYS exploited and manipulated the Shia-Sunni divide. Today, from amongst us Pakistanis and Afghans, will emerge a rapprochement that will bring Shias and Sunnis of the region, at a better understanding of mutual respect and coordination toward peace, in-sha-Allah.
You can hope whatever but the fact remains that Iran is much closer to India than it is to Pakistan. Hence we stand to gain from Iran's entry to SCO.
With the gradual deepening of China's investment in Iran and CEPC, Iran and Pakistan are bound to have more and more economic ties.
The Chinese believe that economic relations determine political relations and political relations determine military relations. It is a historical occasionality for the two countries to get some quarrel, and it is a historical necessity for the two countries to move towards harmony.
Iran will have a closer relationship with China no doubt. But that will not translate to a closer relationship with Pakistan.
The CPEC line from Pakistan to Iran can only happen through Balochistan, but it is a restive province and hence that is unlikely to be smooth.
 
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