What's new

India sees Pakistani hand in North Korea’s nuclear test

Status
Not open for further replies.

NirmalKrish

BANNED
Joined
Oct 12, 2011
Messages
1,686
Reaction score
-30
Country
India
Location
Australia
NEW DELHI: India on Tuesday officially protested against the third nuclear test by North Korea which it sees as evidence of a clandestine proliferation network from Pakistan. Indian sources stressed that if the test was found to have been conducted with enriched uranium, it would confirm Pakistani "proliferation linkages".

Criticizing North Korea for violating international commitments, New Delhi asked Pyongyang "to refrain from such actions which adversely impact on peace and stability in the region". Sources said the test revealed significantly improved technical capabilities of the North Koreans, which in itself suggested heightened proliferation activities.

"If the speculation is correct that the test was carried out through enriched uranium, it would demonstrate cascading and clandestine proliferation linkages,'' a source said. After the test on Tuesday, North Korea also announced that its nuclear capabilities had diversified, fuelling more speculation that enriched uranium was used for the test.

KCNA, North Korea's official news agency, said, "It was confirmed that the nuclear test that was carried out at a high level in a safe and perfect manner using a miniaturized and lighter nuclear device with greater explosive force than previously did not pose any negative impact on the surrounding ecological environment."

South Korea recorded seismic activity compatible with a six-seven kiloton explosion. If this is confirmed, North Korea, officials said, could be well on its way to building a functional nuclear warhead, though its delivery systems may take a while to develop.

"When you talk about any nuclear test conducted by North Korea, the role of Pakistan can never be far behind,'' a source said.

Pakistan on Tuesday yet again blocked moves to facilitate negotiations for a Fissile Material Cut-off Treaty (FMCT) in the Conference on Disarmament. Official sources said both developments were inter-related.

Pakistan had transferred the technology for enriching uranium to weapon grade in exchange for the knowhow for missile development from the Communist dictatorship as part of a deal negotiated by Benazir Bhutto and Kim Jong-il.

Pakistan has prevented negotiations for FMCT citing asymmetry with India in its fissile material stockpile. In its nuclear tests of 2006 and 2009, North Korea used plutonium and it was only in 2010 that it was revealed that the country had a sophisticated uranium enrichment programme. The existence of North Korea's Yongbyon centrifuge plant used for enriching uranium became public in 2010, when Pyongyang allowed foreign experts to visit the facility.

Separately, the Indian assessment of the nuclear test is that it's a failure of Chinese foreign policy. The Pyongyang account has been the responsibility of Beijing, but China has failed to restrain North Korea both from going steadily down the nuclear path or persuading it to come to the negotiating table at the six-party talks.

The test puts Beijing in an unenviable position. It has already supported fresh sanctions by the UN Security Council, which has piled them on North Korea. Beijing could support further sanctions, or it could take unilateral action against Pyongyang. Both ways, it risks ruining ties with one of its closest allies.

Beijing-Pyongyang ties have been strained of late, In fact, last week, the Chinese government used the Global Times to warn North Korea. In an editorial, it said, "If North Korea insists on a third nuclear test despite attempts to dissuade it, it must pay a heavy price. The assistance it will be able to receive from China should be reduced. The Chinese government should make this clear beforehand to shatter any illusions Pyongyang may have."

The test prompted the UN Security Council to call for an emergency meeting later on Tuesday. It is also expected to figure in US President Barack Obama's State of the Union address.

India sees Pakistani hand in North Korea’s nuclear test - The Times of India

Well well
 
was it AQ Khan who gave this stolen tech to them in return of Missile tech ?
 
Such linkages would have been established long ago and we would be black listed as a rogue nation.

I don't subscribe to anything outlined in this "report" nor is there a need for GHQ or FO to even elaborate or answer it
 
was it AQ Khan who gave this stolen tech to them in return of Missile tech ?

more information
PAKISTAN: The North Korea Connection - Council on Foreign Relations

THREATS AND RESPONSES: ALLIANCES; In North Korea and Pakistan, Deep Roots of Nuclear Barter - New York Times

THREATS AND RESPONSES: ALLIANCES; In North Korea and Pakistan, Deep Roots of Nuclear Barter
By DAVID E. SANGER
Published: November 24, 2002

Sign In to E-Mail
Print

Last July, American intelligence agencies tracked a Pakistani cargo aircraft as it landed at a North Korean airfield and took on a secret payload: ballistic missile parts, the chief export of North Korea's military.

The shipment was brazen enough, in full view of American spy satellites. But intelligence officials who described the incident say even the mode of transport seemed a subtle slap at Washington: the Pakistani plane was an American-built C-130.

It was part of the military force that President Pervez Musharraf had told President Bush last year would be devoted to hunting down the terrorists of Al Qaeda, one reason the administration was hailing its new cooperation with a country that only a year before it had labeled a rogue state.

But several times since that new alliance was cemented, American intelligence agencies watched silently as Pakistan's air fleet conducted a deadly barter with North Korea. In transactions intelligence agencies are still unraveling, the North provided General Musharraf with missile parts he needs to build a nuclear arsenal capable of reaching every strategic site in India.
Ads by Google

In a perfect marriage of interests, Pakistan provided the North with many of the designs for gas centrifuges and much of the machinery it needs to make highly enriched uranium for the country's latest nuclear weapons project, one intended to put at risk South Korea, Japan and 100,000 American troops in Northeast Asia.

The Central Intelligence Agency told members of Congress this week that North Korea's uranium enrichment program, which it discovered only this summer, will produce enough material to produce weapons in two to three years. Previously it has estimated that North Korea probably extracted enough plutonium from a nuclear reactor to build one or two weapons, until that program was halted in 1994 in a confrontation with the United States.

Yet the C.I.A. report -- at least the unclassified version -- made no mention of how one of the world's poorest and most isolated nations put together its new, complex uranium project.

In interviews over the past three weeks, officials and experts in Washington, Pakistan and here in the capital of South Korea described a relationship between North Korea and Pakistan that now appears much deeper and more dangerous than the United States and its Asian allies first suspected.

The accounts raise disturbing questions about the nature of the uneasy American alliance with General Musharraf's government. The officials and experts described how, even after Mr. Musharraf sided with the United States in ousting the Taliban and hunting down Qaeda leaders, Pakistan's secretive A. Q. Khan Nuclear Research Laboratories continued its murky relationship with the North Korean military. It was a partnership linking an insecure Islamic nation and a failing Communist one, each in need of the other's expertise.

Pakistan was desperate to counter India's superior military force, but encountered years of American-imposed sanctions, so it turned to North Korea. For its part, North Korea, increasingly cut off from Russia and China, tried to replicate Pakistan's success in developing nuclear weapons based on uranium, one of the few commodities that North Korea has in plentiful supply.

Yet while the United States has put tremendous diplomatic pressure on North Korea in the past two months to abandon the project, and has cut off oil supplies to the country, it has never publicly discussed the role of Pakistan or other nations in supplying that effort.

American and South Korean officials, when speaking anonymously, say the reason is obvious: the Bush administration has determined that Pakistan's cooperation in the search for Al Qaeda is so critical -- especially with new evidence suggesting that Osama bin Laden is still alive, perhaps on Pakistani soil.

So far, the White House has ignored federal statutes that require President Bush to impose stiff economic penalties on any country involved in nuclear proliferation or, alternatively, to issue a public waiver of those penalties in the interest of national security. Mr. Bush last year removed penalties that were imposed on Pakistan after it set off a series of nuclear tests in 1998.

White House officials would not comment on the record for this article, saying that discussing Pakistan's role could compromise classified intelligence. Instead, they noted that General Musharraf, after first denying Pakistani involvement in North Korea's nuclear effort, has assured Secretary of State Colin L. Powell that no such trade will occur in the future.

''He said, 'Four hundred percent assurance that there is no such interchange taking place now,' '' Secretary Powell said in a briefing late last month. Pressed about Pakistan's contributions to the nuclear program that North Korea admitted to last month, Secretary Powell smiled tightly and said, ''We didn't talk about the past.''

A State Department spokesman, Philip Reeker, said, ''We are aware of the allegations'' about Pakistan, though he would not comment on the substance. ''This adminsitration will abide by the law,'' he said.

Intelligence officials say they have seen no evidence of exchanges since Washington protested the July missile shipment. Even in that incident, they cannot determine if the C-130 that picked up missile parts in North Korea brought nuclear-related goods to North Korea.

But American and Asian officials are far from certain that Pakistan has cut off the relationship, or even whether General Musharraf is in control of the transactions.

Yet in the words of one American official who has reviewed the intelligence, North Korea's drive in the past year to begin full-scale enrichment of uranium uses technology that ''has 'Made in Pakistan' stamped all over it.'' They doubt that North Korea will end its effort even if Pakistan cuts off its supplies.

''In Kim Jong Il's view, what's the difference between North Korea and Iraq?'' asked one senior American official with long experience dealing with North Korea. ''Saddam doesn't have one, and look what's happening to him.''

A Meeting of Minds in 1993

Pakistan's military ties to North Korea go back to the 1970's. But they took a decisive turn in 1993, just as the United States was forcing the North to open up its huge nuclear reactor facilities at Yongbyon. Yongbyon was clearly a factory for producing bomb-grade plutonium from spent nuclear fuel.

When North Korea refused to allow in inspectors headed by Hans Blix, the man now leading the inspections in Iraq, President Bill Clinton went to the United Nations to press penalties and the Pentagon drew up contingency plans for a strike against the plant in case North Korea removed the fuel rods to begin making bomb-grade plutonium.

In the midst of that face-off, Benazir Bhutto, then the prime minister of Pakistan, arrived in Pyongyang, the North Korean capital. It was the end of December, freezing cold, and yet the North Korean government arranged for tens of thousands of the city's well-trained citizens to greet her on the streets. At a state dinner, Ms. Bhutto complained about the American penalties imposed on her country and North Korea.

''Pakistan is committed to nuclear nonproliferation,'' she said, according to a transcript issued at the time. However, she added, states still have ''their right to acquire and develop nuclear technology for peaceful purposes, geared to their economic and social developments.''

Ms. Bhutto's delegation left with plans for North Korea's Nodong missile, according to former and current Pakistani officials.

The Pakistani military had long coveted the plans, and by April 1998, it successfully tested a version of the Nodong, renamed the Ghauri. Its flight range of about 1,000 miles put much of India within reach of Pakistan's nuclear warheads.

A former senior Pakistani official recalled in an interview that the Bhutto government planned to pay North Korea ''from the invisible account'' for covert programs. But events intervened.

Months after Ms. Bhutto's visit, the Clinton administration and North Korea reached a deal that froze all nuclear activity at Yongbyon, where international inspectors still live year-round.

In return, the United States and its allies promised North Korea a steady flow of fuel oil and the eventual delivery of two proliferation-resistant nuclear reactors to produce electric power. That was important in a country so lacking in power that, from satellite images taken at night, it appears like a black hole compared to the blazing lights of South Korea.

But within three years, Kim Jong Il grew disenchanted with the accord and feared that the nuclear power plants would never be delivered. He never allowed the International Atomic Energy Agency to begin the wide-ranging inspections required before the critical parts of the plants could be delivered.

By 1997 or 1998, American intelligence has now concluded, he was searching for an alternative way to build a bomb, without detection. He found part of the answer in Pakistan, which along with Iran, Libya, Yemen, Syria and Egypt was now a regular customer for North Korean missile parts, American military officials said.

A. Q. Khan, the father of Pakistan's nuclear bomb, who had years ago stolen the engineering plans for gas centrifuges from the Netherlands, visited North Korea several times. The visits were always cloaked in secrecy.

But several things are now clear. Pakistan was running out of hard currency to pay the North Koreans, who were in worse shape. North Korea feared that without a nuclear weapon it would eventually be absorbed by the economic might of the South, or squeezed by the military might of the United States.

In 1997 or 1998, Kim Jong Il and his generals decided to begin a development project for a bomb based on highly enriched uranium, a slow and difficult process, but relatively easy to hide.

Talking, but Not Changing

They did so even while sporadically pursuing a better relationship with Washington. In the last days of the Clinton administration, the North negotiated with Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright for a deal to restrict North Korean missile exports in return for a removal of economic penalties, a de-listing from the State Department's account of countries that sponsor terrorism and talks about diplomatic recognition. The deal was never reached.

President Clinton even considered an end-of-term trip to North Korea, but was talked out of it by aides who feared that the North was not ready to make real concessions. The nuclear revelations of the past few weeks suggest those aides saved Mr. Clinton from embarrassment.

''Lamentably, North Korea never really changed,'' said one senior Western official here with long experience in the topic. ''They came to the conclusion that the nuclear card was their one ace in the hole, and they couldn't give it up.''

American intelligence agencies, meanwhile, suspected that North Korea was restarting a secret program. In 1998, satellites were focused on a huge underground site where the C.I.A. believed Kim Jong Il was trying to build a second plutonium-reprocessing center. But they were looking in the wrong place: after American officials negotiated access to the suspect site, they found only a series of man-made caves with no nuclear-related equipment, and no apparent purpose. ''World's largest underground parking lot,'' one American intelligence official joked at the time.

Rumors of a secret enriched-uranium project persisted, however. The C.I.A. and the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee evaluated the evidence but reached no firm conclusion.

But there were hints. One Western diplomat who visited North Korea in May 1998, just as world attention focused on Pakistan, which had responded to India's underground nuclear tests by setting off six of its own, recalled witnessing an odd celebration. ''I was in the Foreign Ministry,'' the official recalled last week. ''About 10 minutes into our meeting, the North Korean diplomat we were seeing broke into a big smile and pointed with pride to these tests. They were all elated.

''Here was a model of a poor state getting away with developing a nuclear weapon.''

When the Clinton administration raised the rumors of a Pakistan-North Korea link with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who succeeded Ms. Bhutto, he denied them. It was only after General Musharraf overthrew Mr. Sharif's government, and after Mr. Bush took office, that South Korean intelligence agencies picked up strong evidence that North Korea was buying components for an enriched-uranium program.

The agencies passed the evidence along to Washington, according to South Korean and American officials. It looked suspiciously similar to the gas centrifuge technology used in Pakistan. ''My guess is that Pakistan was the only available partner,'' said Lee Hong Koo, a former South Korean prime minister and unification minister.

A. H. Nayya, a physics professor at Quaid-e-Azam University in Islamabad, who has no role in the country's nuclear program, agreed: ''The clearest possibility is that the Pakistanis gave them the blueprint. 'Here it is. You make it on your own.' ''

Under American pressure, Dr. Khan was removed from the operational side of the Pakistani nuclear program. He was made an ''adviser to the president'' on nuclear technology.

Here in Seoul, nuclear experts working for the government of President Kim Dae Jung say they were subtly discouraged from publicly writing or speculating about the North's secret programs because the Korean government feared that it would derail President Kim's legacy: the ''sunshine policy'' of engagement with North Korea and encouraging investment there.

By this summer, however, the C.I.A. concluded that the North had moved from research to production. The intelligence agency took the evidence to Condoleezza Rice, the president's national security adviser, who asked for a review by all American intelligence agencies.

Such a request is usually a prescription for conflicting interpretations. Instead, the agencies came back with a unanimous opinion: the North Korean program was well under way, and had to be stopped.

Telling the North, 'You're Busted'

After sending senior officials to Japan and South Korea in August to present the new evidence, Mr. Bush decided to confront the North Koreans. On Oct. 4, James A. Kelly, the assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific affairs, was in North Korea and told his counterparts that the United States had detailed information about the enriched-uranium program.

''We wanted to make it clear to them that they were busted,'' a senior administration official said.

The North Koreans initially denied the accusation, but the next day, after what they told the American visitors was an all-night discussion, they admitted that they were pursuing the secret weapons program, several officials said. ''We need nuclear weapons,'' Kang Sok Joo, the North Korean senior foreign policy official, said, arguing that the program was a result of the Bush administration's hostility.

Mr. Kelly responded that the program began at least four years ago, when Mr. Bush was governor of Texas. The Americans left after one North Korean official declared that dialogue on the subject was worthless and said, ''We will meet sword with sword.''

Since then, the North Koreans have been more circumspect. They have talked publicly about having the right to a nuclear weapon, even though they have signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and an agreement with South Korea to keep the Korean Peninsula free of nuclear weapons.

The Bush administration has been uncharacteristically restrained. President Bush led the push for an oil cutoff, but also issued a statement on Nov. 15 saying that the United States had no intention of invading North Korea. His aides hoped that the statement would give Kim Jong Il the kind of security guarantee he had long demanded -- and a face-saving way to end the nuclear program.

Mr. Bush's aides say the way to deal with North Korea, in contrast to their approach to Iraq, is to exploit its economic vulnerabilities and offer carrots, essentially the strategy the Clinton administration used. Many here in Seoul believe it may work this time.

''The North Koreans are a lot more dependent on us, and on the West, than they were in the 1994 nuclear crisis,'' said Han Sung Joo, who served as South Korea's foreign minister then.

But the reality, officials acknowledged, is that Mr. Bush has little choice but to pursue a diplomatic solution with North Korea.

Kim Jong Il has 11,000 artillery tubes dug in around the demilitarized zone, all aimed at Seoul. In the opening hours of a war, tens of thousands of people could die, military officials here say.

''Here's the strategy,'' one American official said. ''Tell the North Koreans, quite publicly, that they can't get away with it. And say the same thing to Pakistan, but privately, quietly.''

old article but it was mentioned before this was a likely scenario - good read.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
@Safriz We got 4 heavy water nuclear plants from Canada for developmental cause. We used it but we never proliferated it to any nation. That's why India got Civil Nuclear Deal because of our record.

Whereas North Korea is even bashed by China, leave aside rest of the world and Pakistan gave them nuclear weapons instrument etc.

So this is the difference.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
was it AQ Khan who gave this stolen tech to them in return of Missile tech ?

Ages ago, yes a link existed (link being "limited cooperation" which hardly even exists now

We have cooperation with South Korea as well on ammunition production. It's a govt to govt venture and I see no need for outsiders to be involved

Why delve into past now? What are the motives

@Safriz We got 4 heavy water nuclear plants from Canada for developmental cause. We used it but we never proliferated it to any nation. That's why India got Civil Nuclear Deal because of our record.

Whereas North Korea is even bashed by China, leave aside rest of the world and Pakistan gave them nuclear weapons instrument etc.

So this is the difference.

It's in the past. And yes as far as proliferation is concerned there is a blemish on us but that is old news and today the matter is resolved.

Just always remember who was it that started this nuclear arms race? Who did the beliggerance posturing?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
@Safriz We got 4 heavy water nuclear plants from Canada for developmental cause. We used it but we never proliferated it to any nation. That's why India got Civil Nuclear Deal because of our record.

Whereas North Korea is even bashed by China, leave aside rest of the world and Pakistan gave them nuclear weapons instrument etc.

So this is the difference.

TOT happens between sovereign nations,and it happens as per their discretion.
Neither Pakistan nor Korea are signatory of any such treaty which barrs TOT.
Plus anybody who knows laws of physics and have a lab with fussile material can make a bomb...Its 1940s tech...
 
Last edited by a moderator:
This is well known fact and it started by Benazir Bhutto… Pakistani Missile program is North Korean based. You can consider this one as a give and take relationship… Pakistan got Missile Tech and North Korea got nuclear technology….and China played an important role in this.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom