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India, Russia ink pacts that will lead to defence deals worth Rs 72,000 crore

past is past

If USA offers F-16s with serious technology transfer India is not saying NO
why should we say no bieng on moral high ground and bieng a nice guy dose not works well for your interests in the world today either in short term or in long term only thing that matters in short and long term is your nations security and progress and bieng with USA and Russia at the same time garantees it but if the time arises and we have to take sides we should be prepaired to say like a banya ..... Na Kahu se dosti na Kahu se bair :coffee:
 
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India has inked pacts with Russia to acquire advanced air defence missile systems, stealth frigates as well as jointly produce light-utility helicopters

The three projects are collectively worth an estimated $10.5 billion (over Rs 72,000 crore)

NEW DELHI: Correcting the pronounced tilt towards the US in defence deals over the last decade, India on Saturday inked pacts with Russia to acquire advanced air defence missile systems, stealth frigates as well as jointly produce light-utility helicopters. The three projects are collectively worth an estimated $10.5 billion (over Rs 72,000 crore).

The two pacts or inter-governmental agreements (IGAs) for five new-generation Russian S-400 Triumf missile systems and four upgraded Teg or Grigorivich-class frigates, apart from the joint venture to produce 200 Kamov-226T light utility helicopters, are not actual contracts as yet. That will take some time, with the nitty-gritties and final costs to be sealed through further negotiations in the days ahead.

But Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin, in whose presence the pacts were inked in Goa, were all gung-ho about the reinforcement of the bilateral strategic partnership "to lay deeper defence ties" in the years ahead. "Agreements on manufacturing Kamov-226T helicopters; constructions of frigates; and acquisition and building of other defence platforms are in synergy with India's technology and security priorities," said Modi.

In terms of sheer strategic value, India's acquisition of the five S-400 systems for over $5.5 billion is clearly going to be game-changer. TOI was the first to report in October 2015 about India's decision to go in for the S-400 systems, which basically have three kinds of missiles that can fly at supersonic and hypersonic speeds to intercept all kinds of targets at ranges from 120 to 400-km.

Defence sources said the S-400 systems, with three meant for the western front with Pakistan and the other two for the eastern one with China, can shoot down Chinese or Pakistani fighters while they are flying in their own airspaces.

India will be the second customer for the S-400 (called SA-21 Growler by NATO), with China slated to get the anti-aircraft\anti-missile systems under a $3 billion deal with Russia in 2014. A defence source said, "Most of the negotiations for our S-400 systems are over ... the contract should be inked among the first to be inked."

The $4 billion pact for the four 4,000-tonne guided-missile stealth frigates also has some strategic content to it though it is not acknowledged in public. India's quest to lease a second nuclear-powered submarine (the first INS Chakra came in 2012) for around $1.5 billion from Russia has been linked by Moscow to New Delhi's agreement to acquire the frigates lying half-constructed at the Yantar Shipyard due to a cash-crunch.



India will also have to acquire Zorya gas-turbine engines for the frigates from Ukraine, which is bitterly opposed to Russia as of now. "While two of the frigates will come from Russia, with a faster delivery time, the other two will be built here. It will take time for the contract with the selected Indian shipyard to be finalized," said a source.


As for the Kamov-226T choppers, the IGA for it was inked during Modi's visit to Moscow in December last year. It's only now the joint venture for the project, with the memorandum of association, share-holders agreement and the like, has been inked between defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics (with majority 50.5% stake) and Russian Rostec State Corporation.

But the different pacts do show that Russia is reasserting its numero uno status in the Indian defence market. It was after the 1999 Kargil conflict that India began to increasingly turn to countries like US, Israel, France and UK so as to not put all its eggs in the Russian basket. As the strategic clinch with the US got tighter, Washington alone bagged Indian defence deals worth $15 billion since 2007.

Though India still remains slightly unhappy with Russia for not sticking to delivery schedules, jacking up costs mid-way, putting hurdles in technology transfer and unreliable spares support, New Delhi knows only Moscow will help it with "strategic projects" like nuclear-powered submarines or the S-400 systems.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...worth-Rs-72000-crore/articleshow/54871603.cms

$4 billion for 4 frigates,
$5.5 billion for 5 batteries, china bought 6 for $3 billion.

India is being milked too much or there are loads of kickback.....
 
$4 billion for 4 frigates,
$5.5 billion for 5 batteries, china bought 6 for $3 billion.

India is being milked too much or there are loads of kickback.....
4 billion for 4 FRIGATES!?Really?that must be some next gen frigate.
 
1)any fighter is useless until and unless its having credible air to air missile. I want to tell one thing that each and every missiles we have to import from US for f16 except Derby(I doubt full about that too,if 16 comes with APG series radar instead of 2052 radar). None of the present armaments is not compatible with it. So added cost
2)tell me which is better,rafale or 40 year old platform like 16
3) now again whatvextra advantage will 16 brings to India .
common man if we have to deal with compined forces of PAF & PLAAF then we have to have both rafale and F16Blk70/72 in eaual numers and cost of APG series missiles is not as high as those from MBDA and you sir know it

anyway if we can afford 100 million worth F16 then we can also afford 20millon worth weapons package for it too and dont forget we have Griffin , Spike and Paveway2 family of air to ground munations and some other isreali air to ground munation of france and britain which too can be used on F16s or are compatiable with so all we need to buy are AIM9X and AIM120D/E and latest version of ARM from USA :coffee:

well F16 might be a 40 year old design even rafale was desigened 20 years back but here F16 is stillvery very potent and will remain cutting edge for at least two decades at least so nothing wrong in getting it if it gives a very leathal punch and is also helping us play with PAF war doctroine sicologically ;)

F16 brings the latest manufactring techs that frenchies will never give

F16 brings the most leathel weapons package and that too at reasonable rates which frenchies will never give

F16 brings LMs tech support and weapons mass manufacturing related managemnt skills which frenchies will never give or share with us

land last but not the least F16 brings political milage from USA and its allies

F16 brings latest training manuals and expert advice from many past and present users of F16sand diffrent war doctroines as we share some common enemies (S.Koreans , Taiwanese , singaporeans , israelies , yamricans ect ect)
 
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4 billion for 4 FRIGATES!?Really?that must be some next gen frigate.

its current gen Grigorivich-class frigates which india already have 6 of them.....

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$4 billion for 4 frigates,
$5.5 billion for 5 batteries, china bought 6 for $3 billion.
India is being milked too much or there are loads of kickback.....
We are buying 12 systems for $6 billions. (Lack of understanding between a regiment and battalion )
Talwar class per ship costs around $750 million. Two will be build in india. Costs are not confirmed yet to comment.
The deal signed for four improved Krivak or Talwar class stealth frigates is expected to cost upwards of USD 3 billion.
 
Around a year back f16 was a mediocre fighter which hardly compares with upgraded MIGs as per most of the Indian members. Suddenly people like @GURU DUTT started telling 16 is the best gen4fighter out there.

Personally I still don't understand why IAF is willing to induct f16 which failed miserably by the evaluation conducted by IAF.

Yes, F-16 is a mediocre fighter in today's standard. It will be an utter shame if we go for them now, when all the other countries are either retiring them or going through a mid life upgrade. But, given that, if there is significant tech transfer which propels our aerospace industries 15 years into the future in terms of radar and engine technology, I believe we should go for them as an intermediate number booster.

My pennies will always be on Gripen though.
 
We are buying 12 systems for $6 billions. (Lack of understanding between a regiment and battalion )
Talwar class per ship costs around $750 million. Two will be build in india. Costs are not confirmed yet to comment.

In the article it states 5 systems which i presume to be a battery.
 
realy that cheap for 10 000 ton distroyer
According to a former navy big shrimp,the shipyard asked for 1.5 billion,then navy bargain to 1 billion:coffee:.(without weapon systems)
 

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