India requested US to help during 1962 war-to stop Pakistan from attacking

[Indus Pakistan]

In 1962 when India faced a country more it's own size China, which gave Indian Army a right thrashing Nehru begged American to help save India. He also pleaded to the Americans to stop Pakistan from attacking India - Kashmir hung like a ripe fruit to be plucked. However US threatened Pakistan and got President Ayub to back off and give a pledge not to attack.

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"Former US President John F Kennedy had played a “decisive role” in “forestalling a Pakistani attack” on India during the 1962 Sino-India war, even as Pakistan was capable of taking advantage of the situation to take control of Indian-occupied Kashmir, Bruce Riedel, a former CIA official, has revealed in his book.

“Pakistan was clearly capable of initiating war with India, but decided in 1962 not to take advantage of India’s vulnerability,” Riedel wrote in his book titled JFK’s Forgotten Crisis: Tibet, the CIA and the Sino-Indian War."

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"Bruce Riedel's book outlines the subterfuge and the frenetic diplomacy that accompanied the Himalayan struggle between India and China that month. How President John F. Kennedy's administration-already waging a covert war against China-leaned on its Pakistani allies not to attack India while arming India to resist the invasion. The ferocity of the Chinese assault startled Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru into a frantic plea for substantial military assistance-fighter jets, bombers and radars. The panic was understandable. Less than a decade ago, even the US army had recoiled under the weight of the Chinese army's assault on the Korean peninsula."

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"Ayub, Pakistan, and Kennedy
For (then US ambassador to India J.K.) Galbraith "the nightmare of a combined attack by Pakistan and China, with the possibility of defeat, collapse and even anarchy in India, was much on my mind. My concern was about equally divided between helping the Indians against the Chinese and keeping peace between the Indians and the Pakistanis". The ambassador was right to be concerned. From the beginning of hostilities (Pakistan's President) Ayub Khan began pressing for some kind of Indian "compensation" in Kashmir in exchange for Pakistani neutrality. As the United States began to back India publicly on the McMahon Line and then to send it arms, Ayub Khan felt betrayed by Kennedy. The promise he had gotten in July 1961 that Washington would not arm India, even if China attacked, without Pakistan's agreement seemed to be a dead letter: The "most allied ally" was being forsaken to help its bigger neighbor"

India can only bully countries 6 times smaller. Anything remotely their own size and Indian Army get's the runners.


Source >http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/jfk-to-the-rescue/1/504644.html
Source > http://tribune.com.pk/story/973912/...cking-vulnerable-india-in-62-ex-cia-official/
Source > http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f7f9173a-8a2d-11e5-9f8c-a8d619fa707c.html#axzz3yJImRQaI

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Well, according to India's own internal army report (Henderson-Brooks report), it was India that started the 1962 war:

It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war - Times of India

Maybe they thought America would back them up?

Because during that time, China was enemies with BOTH the superpowers (USA and USSR), having fought the USA directly a few years prior (Korean War), and the USSR a few years later (1969).

I guess it made sense, the USA wanted payback against China for the Korean war. But they learned not to fight against China directly after the Korean war, since even an incredibly weak and starving China pushed them into the longest retreat in the history of the US armed forces. India learned the same thing a few years later.

Even when we are weak, we will put up a serious fight.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The irony in this being that just 9 years later India had no misgivings in attacking Pakistan when it was tied down by the Bangla insurgency and joined in with Mukhti Bahini. This led to Pak Army facing enemy from front - Indian Army and enemy at the back - the Mukhti Bahini.

Lesson - Pakistan should have given no quarter in 1962 and done what India did 9 years later - kicked them when they were down like they did to Pakistan in 1971. Even today the Indian's brag about their incredible victory when it already had been garnered by the Mukhti Bahini. Cowardice of the highest order.,

Expected *feel good* thread after Rafales.

What the hell you on about boy? You sniffing something? Substance abuse got to your cranial vacuam did it?

 

[kasper95]

Well, according to India's own internal army report (Henderson-Brooks report), it was India that started the 1962 war:

It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war - Times of India

Maybe they thought America would back them up?

Because during that time, China was enemies with BOTH the superpowers (USA and USSR), having fought the USA directly a few years prior (Korean War), and the USSR a few years later (1969).

I guess it made sense, the USA wanted payback against China for the Korean war. But they learned not to fight against China directly after the Korean war, since even an incredibly weak and starving China can push them in to a retreat. India learned the same thing a few years later.

here come the guy with cut copy paste,just waiting for the chance to show the cut copy paste skills ,even though has been replied by many.

 

[Brahmaputra Mail]

Let's face it even Pakistan and China was/is afraid of US. Meanwhile we attacked East Pakistan in 1971 despite US's warning.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

here come the guy with cut copy paste,just waiting for the chance to show the cut copy paste skills ,even though has been replied by many.

Countering the Indian propaganda that it was China that started the 1962 war, when even India's own internal army report says it was India who did.

 

[Brahmaputra Mail]

Well, according to India's own internal army report (Henderson-Brooks report), it was India that started the 1962 war:

It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war - Times of India

Maybe they thought America would back them up?

Because during that time, China was enemies with BOTH the superpowers (USA and USSR), having fought the USA directly a few years prior (Korean War), and the USSR a few years later (1969).

I guess it made sense, the USA wanted payback against China for the Korean war. But they learned not to fight against China directly after the Korean war, since even an incredibly weak and starving China pushed them into the longest retreat in the history of the US armed forces. India learned the same thing a few years later.

Even when we are weak, we will put up a serious fight.

USSR and USA were busy easing off tensions during Cuban missile crisis. Otherwise the output may have been different.

 

[Hellfire]

here come the guy with cut copy paste,just waiting for the chance to show the cut copy paste skills ,even though has been replied by many.

Is there some fallacy that the hostilities were initiated by the forward policy? The only problem with the policy was that the 'policy' (read Assam Rifles action) was not backed up by military might and planning, resulting in our A$$es being handed back to us!

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Let's face it even Pakistan and China was/is afraid of US. Meanwhile we attacked East Pakistan in 1971 despite US's warning.

Uh, we fought directly against the USA + 16 of her allies combined during the Korean war, and pushed them into the longest retreat in the history of the US armed forces.

And we fought directly against the USSR during the Sino-Soviet split, including the 1969 conflict.

We have fought directly against both the superpowers. Who has India fought? They lost half of Kashmir to Pakistan, and lost Aksai Chin to an undeveloped country (China in the 1960's).

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Let's face it even Pakistan and China was/is afraid of US. Meanwhile we attacked East Pakistan in 1971 despite US's warning.

Well the Mukhti Bahini must have had even bigger set of udders then you Indian muppets because they attacked Pakistan Army first and had already worn it out.. With the trail blazed by the Bangla traitors you then joined in. Bravo, bravo.

And all you Pakistani's who call Banglas brothers need to take stock and grow some brains. A enemy attacks you is expected. India was a enemy full stop. They did what they were supposed to do but Banglas colluding with Indian's? Unforgivable. I can have all the differances with my brother but the day he joins my enemy is the day is no more brother. Period.

 

[Levina]

Begged?
That's called asking for help in Pakistani words. No?

combined
attack by Pakistan and China,

Lol
That's called ganging up.

If Nehru wasn't stupid enough to ignore Vallabh bhai Patel's intelligence reports, then India-China would have been besties today.
<Sigh>

 

[Hellfire]

Countering the Indian propaganda that it was China that started the 1962 war, when even India's own internal army report says it was India who did.

Unfortunately, we Indians, in general, are unable to accept few facts:

1. The demarcation between the Sino-Indian border was never accepted by China (and here China is at fault as any inch of land that had been under Peking's influence even for a couple of weeks is claimed by PRC) either under Emperor, KMT or under Communists.

2. India was not levying taxes or even having a permanent presence in Aksai Chin. (It is a different matter that neither did China have any presence there permanently).

3. By recognising Tibet as part of China, India committed the biggest blunder - by extension, NEFA (present day Arunachal Pradesh), which was under Tibetan control till 1959 (when Indian army moved in and feared out the area) , should also have been handed over (China's claim till date about this is legitimate if Indians go by the logic of Tibet being a part of China; that is a different matter that China offered to settle the issue by legitimising claims in Aksai Chin and reciprocating for Arunachal which Nehru, in his arrogance, refused)

4. Forward policy adopted in Aksai Chin without preparing for a war was a blunder waiting to happen and the rest is history!

5. Having said these points, I sincerely hope that both sides realise that neither can dislodge the other from these areas in present times without serious repercussions. So, sensibility is to accept the status quo, recognise it as international boundary and move on!

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Begged?
That's called asking for help in Pakistani words. No?

If Nehru wasn't stupid enough to ignore Vallabh bhai Patel's intelligence reports, then India-China would have been besties today.
<Sigh>

Oxford English dictionery.

"Beg ~ ask someone earnestly or humbly for something"


In Indian English does it mean something else lovey Levina?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Unfortunately, we Indians, in general, are unable to accept few facts:

1. The demarcation between the Sino-Indian border was never accepted by China (and here China is at fault as any inch of land that had been under Peking's influence even for a couple of weeks is claimed by PRC) either under Emperor, KMT or under Communists.

2. India was not levying taxes or even having a permanent presence in Aksai Chin. (It is a different matter that neither did China have any presence there permanently).

3. By recognising Tibet as part of China, India committed the biggest blunder - by extension, NEFA (present day Arunachal Pradesh), which was under Tibetan control till 1959 (when Indian army moved in and feared out the area) , should also have been handed over (China's claim till date about this is legitimate if Indians go by the logic of Tibet being a part of China; that is a different matter that China offered to settle the issue by legitimising claims in Aksai Chin and reciprocating for Arunachal which Nehru, in his arrogance, refused)

4. Forward policy adopted in Aksai Chin without preparing for a war was a blunder waiting to happen and the rest is history!

5. Having said these points, I sincerely hope that both sides realise that neither can dislodge the other from these areas in present times without serious repercussions. So, sensibility is to accept the status quo, recognise it as international boundary and move on!

I would give you a positive rating for this post, but the ratings system is still disabled, so I'll do it when the system comes back online.

 

[Hellfire]

Begged?
That's called asking for help in Pakistani words. No?

If Nehru wasn't stupid enough to ignore Vallabh bhai Patel's intelligence reports, then India-China would have been besties today.
<Sigh>

See, one can jockey with words, but the fact is that he was in crises and he sought American help and intervention. And the way he sought them with eastern front in disarray and Tezpur about to fall, was nothing short of begging. Accept the fact. And since you quote the SF motto - pragmatism has to be accepted.