india really shaken and stirred because of CPEC

[surya kiran]

Two main reasons:

1. Keep India busy facing Pakistan. China has enough enemies like USA and Japan to deal with already.

2. Road and Rail connectivity to the warm waters of the Arabian Sea, bypassing the Malacca straights.

Besides this, there is a very simple reason. China could also have built a route through India and Bangladesh. One opening out into Bangladesh and into the Bay of Bengal and one traversing India and getting out in the west coast of India. Terrain would have been much easier and simpler.

But, the problem lies that its more difficult doing business with either India or Bangladesh, because they are functioning democracies not dependent on any single entity. And neither would agree to pay high interest rates to work with Chinese companies which will work with Chinese machines and Chinese workers without a competitive mechanism in place. Both the countries I quoted have good relations with most major powers and will not find it difficult to raise the money for themselves. Pakistan is another case.

So in reality, Pakistan was the only country which NEEDED the Chinese. And that is the crux of the matter.

 

[Stag112]

Check again the last chart of your own link, It says 14% of car owners goes to work using car, and a majority of car owners use two wheeler's to go to work(55%), 9% car owners uses bicycles...so on and so forth. You didn't got it right. It is not saying 14% of population own cars...

The link says 11 percent household own a car.

You are choosing to read everything BUT that.

So that makes your karachi data wrong.

It makes sense. India car sales last yr 3 mil. Pakistan 0.2 mil.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Check the car ownership figure from my link. It also matches with our car sales figures.

It is double that of yours.

Two wheeler figure matches. And makes sense. Most people who have a car wont buy a motorcycle as they are considered dangerous.

Explain your ridiculously low electricity consumption.

Check this article this gives a clear uncomplicated figures...this is 2015 figure and states that about 3% of Indians owns a 4 wheeler, much lower than what I have quoted. So an increase in 2 years makes it 6% which is still on the higher side...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ill-a-dream-for-many/articleshow/47933269.cms

 

[Stag112]

Check this article this gives a clear uncomplicated figures...this is 2015 figure and states that about 3% of Indians owns a 4 wheeler, much lower than what I have quoted. So an increase in 2 years makes it 6% which is still on the higher side...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ill-a-dream-for-many/articleshow/47933269.cms

Thats rural population only. Why are you acting dishonestly?

We officially buy 3 mil cars and u 0.2 mil. Fact.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

The link says 11 percent household own a car.

You are choosing to read everything BUT that.

So that makes your karachi data wrong.

It makes sense. India car sales last yr 3 mil. Pakistan 0.2 mil.

Car sales India.

Domestic car sales during the year grew 3.85 per cent to 21,02,996 units from 20,25,097 units in the previous year. This was the lowest growth since 2014-15, when car sales rose 5.09 per cent.

Car sales surge 19pc to 180,000 units
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Technicians give final touches to a locally-made car at a plant in this file photo.
KARACHI: Locally-assembled car sales surged 19 per cent to 180,079 units during 2015-16 compared to 151,134 units in 2014-15.


https://www.dawn.com/news/1270597

Pakistan also imports about 75,000 cars per year and the actual sales of cars are 285,000...the 3 million figure you quoted were of passenger vehicles and not just passenger cars.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The kind of investment Pak is getting through CPEC over many years, India gets in 1 year. And they are not loans.

But india is at least 7× bigger than Pakistan. Besides this is just the start. CPEC in effect is an indefinite project. Just like our nuclear weapons program. Not sure about the loan part. Seems to come from the same indian source which vehemently proclaimed that Pakistan would go bankrupt and cease to exist if they pursued nuclear weapons. We all know what happened to that indianonic diatribe. Just as then, so is now.

Tell me where I said my data points are generated by Indians / Indian sources.

I am stating what IMF/ WB/ other credible institutions are telling about BD, And it is going to over take Pak in per capita terms with in 2 years.
Even if you look and Pak government projections , and BD government projection the staory will be the same.

I had a similar argument with am indian pre-May 1998 about Pakistan becoming a nuclear weapons state. We all know what the end result of that was

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Thats rural population only. Why are you acting dishonestly?

We officially buy 3 mil cars and u 0.2 mil. Fact.

This is partly true, Pakistan local car production is 195,000 and about 75-85,000 cars are imported and also reaches through personal ownership schemes from middle east, so actual sales is close to 285,000 cars .

Also the car sales in India has certainly picked up after all that opening of economy, but that 6% ownership as of now includes all that earlier sales figures which was low, in earlier years. So average is not of just last few year sales, but the total cars sold over the years...

 

[Stag112]

Car sales India.

Domestic car sales during the year grew 3.85 per cent to 21,02,996 units from 20,25,097 units in the previous year. This was the lowest growth since 2014-15, when car sales rose 5.09 per cent.

Car sales surge 19pc to 180,000 units
THE NEWSPAPER'S STAFF REPORTERPUBLISHED JUL 14, 2016 06:50AM
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Technicians give final touches to a locally-made car at a plant in this file photo.
KARACHI: Locally-assembled car sales surged 19 per cent to 180,079 units during 2015-16 compared to 151,134 units in 2014-15.


https://www.dawn.com/news/1270597

Pakistan also imports about 75,000 cars per year and the actual sales of cars are 285,000...the 3 million figure you quoted were of passenger vehicles and not just passenger cars.

No thats sales, so includes imports. So it is 0.2 mil for pakistan.

I realised there is no standard definition of car and passenger vehicle across the different reports here. That is causing this confusion.

So as an indicative rate lets take ALL road vehicles and see the per capita rate. This clearly shows indian ownership rate is way above pakistans (take the pakistan number and add car sales to being it to Indian year).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_vehicles_per_capita

 

[N.Siddiqui]

No thats sales, so includes imports. So it is 0.2 mil for pakistan.

I realised there is no standard definition of car and passenger vehicle across the different reports here. That is causing this confusion.

So as an indicative rate lets take ALL road vehicles and see the per capita rate. This clearly shows indian ownership rate is way above pakistans (take the pakistan number and add car sales to being it to Indian year).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_vehicles_per_capita[/QUOT

This wikipedia gives such funny figures. Here Pakistan figures were of 2010 and of India of 2015....car sales increased hugely in the last few years in Pakistan...

This wikipedia gives such funny figures. Here Pakistan figures were of 2010 and of India of 2015....car sales increased hugely in the last few years in Pakistan...

No thats sales, so includes imports. So it is 0.2 mil for pakistan.

I realised there is no standard definition of car and passenger vehicle across the different reports here. That is causing this confusion.

So as an indicative rate lets take ALL road vehicles and see the per capita rate. This clearly shows indian ownership rate is way above pakistans (take the pakistan number and add car sales to being it to Indian year).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_vehicles_per_capita

Check this, and also the DAWN link below...old 2015 figure of 247,500 local production and 43,400 of imported vehicles mostly SUV's luxury cars...why are you stuck up in 0.2 million figure.

In 2015, the import of used vehicles stood at 43,400 units while the local industry produced 247,500 units partly because of 50,000 units of Suzuki Bolan and Ravi purchased by the Punjab government in 2015-16. As a result, the share of imported vehicles in 2015 remained 15pc.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1309553

 

[Stag112]

None of those diff links matter. Check OICA website. They are authoritative source for global data. 3 mil for India and 0.2 for pakistan.

 

[randomradio]

But india is at least 7× bigger than Pakistan. Besides this is just the start. CPEC in effect is an indefinite project. Just like our nuclear weapons program. Not sure about the loan part. Seems to come from the same indian source which vehemently proclaimed that Pakistan would go bankrupt and cease to exist if they pursued nuclear weapons. We all know what happened to that indianonic diatribe. Just as then, so is now.

Well, you are practically bankrupt. You have been taking loans just to pay your previous loans.

And now you've taken more loans under CPEC, and this will see a major change in forex regardless of who has taken the loan, while also guaranteeing incredibly huge profits to the loan takers even if they go under loss.

Loans everywhere. How about asking Chinese companies to start major investment into your manufacturing with their own funds instead of you paying them to invest?

India is 7 times bigger, but the FDI difference is much higher.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

None of those diff links matter. Check OICA website. They are authoritative source for global data. 3 mil for India and 0.2 for pakistan.

Yes just like your old Wikipedia link... Give the exact OICA link here...

Well, you are practically bankrupt. You have been taking loans just to pay your previous loans.

And now you've taken more loans under CPEC, and this will see a major change in forex regardless of who has taken the loan, while also guaranteeing incredibly huge profits to the loan takers even if they go under loss.

Loans everywhere. How about asking Chinese companies to start major investment into your manufacturing with their own funds instead of you paying them to invest?

India is 7 times bigger, but the FDI difference is much higher.

India recorded a government debt equivalent to 69.50 percent of the country's Gross Domestic Product in 2016. Government Debt to GDP in India averaged 73.42 percent from 1991 until 2016, reaching an all time high of 84.20 percent in 2003 and a record low of 66 percent in 1996.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/india/government-debt-to-gdp

BTW the loan to GDP ratio for Pakistan is almost same at 68% of GDP...

 

[frankenstein-2]

Don't just talk Shit like the rest of indian, show facts where are Chinese soldiers in Pakistan???


don't be a typical delusional indian, show facts where are Chinese soldiers in Pakistan?

you people are happy that china is helping Pakistan to grow but they even do not allow any islamic rules to be followed back in china , they even barred refugees.I think their main propaganda is to capture pakistan,just like they have done with Tibet.
Please see this report ,put on net by your own economic institution on china's helping nature for pakistan.
I cannot paste the link here ,because I'm new but here are excerpts from it:
A report by the Federation of Pakistan Chambers of Commerce and Industry (FPCCI) has noted that at the current rate of influx of Chinese nationals into Balochistan and after completion of the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), the native population of the area will be outnumbered by 2048.

This trend has sparked fear of marginalisation among the Baloch citizens, who are unsure of how will the unskilled people of the province maintain their lives without land ownership which is their only asset. To address this concern, the FPCCI has recommended that the government should provide a sense of security to the natives by including them in the legislative process and by providing them with technical and vocational training to ensure their share in the economic sphere, reports the Nation.

The report was launched at a press conference on Wednesday by FPCCI president Rauf Alam, who said that the government could not separate the representations of the private sector and the main stakeholder of the economy from formulation of a policy regarding the CPEC.

He said that the FPCCI had constituted an advisory committee on the CPEC that prepared a comprehensive report, which has categorised all ambiguities and controversial argument in six statements. As per the report, the most important apprehension of the people of Balochistan relates to change in demography.

Gwadar is the ultimate destination of the CPEC while Balochistan is the least-populated province of Pakistan with rich natural resources. This attracts the people to settle here and the CPEC will facilitate them to travel and settle in the province. It is quite obvious that ethnic patterns of population distribution will be affected by the inflow of people from China and other parts of Pakistan, the report said.

It added that conservatively 0.44 persons per thousand migrate from China because of economic reasons that corroborates the inflow of more than 6,00,000 people per year in Pakistan after operating the CPEC. At present, Balochis are 55 percent of the total population of the province and the current growth rate of Balochistan’s population is 2.36 percent. This growth in population is the composition of crude birth rate, death rate and migration of the people in Balochistan from other provinces of Pakistan.

The stimulation results based on the existing rate of migration from China at 0.44 persons per thousand and rate of population growth at 0.43 percent, we may predict that the share of Chinese in Balochistan’s population is destined to increase with the completion of the CPEC and by 2045 Chinese population may be greater than the population of people of Pakistani origin in the province, said the report. The change in population dynamics is the usual part of development and progress. However, the report said that there were several possible ways to avoid undesired situations.
please check google for the link i can't paste it

 

[MM_Haider]

Well, you are practically bankrupt. You have been taking loans just to pay your previous loans.

And now you've taken more loans under CPEC, and this will see a major change in forex regardless of who has taken the loan, while also guaranteeing incredibly huge profits to the loan takers even if they go under loss.

Loans everywhere. How about asking Chinese companies to start major investment into your manufacturing with their own funds instead of you paying them to invest?

India is 7 times bigger, but the FDI difference is much higher.

in you face mate!

http://www.firstpost.com/world/indi...for-70-years-says-lending-report-2581900.html

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Well, you are practically bankrupt. You have been taking loans just to pay your previous loans.

And now you've taken more loans under CPEC, and this will see a major change in forex regardless of who has taken the loan, while also guaranteeing incredibly huge profits to the loan takers even if they go under loss.

Loans everywhere. How about asking Chinese companies to start major investment into your manufacturing with their own funds instead of you paying them to invest?

India is 7 times bigger, but the FDI difference is much higher.

According to indianionics we are bankrupt. Just as according to indianism, Pakistan will NEVER EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance. None of what you say changes the ground reality, especially in light of the fact that india has between 30-40% of the ENTIRE Earth's most severely malnourished and extreme poor:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-third-of-worlds-poorest-says-World-Bank.html

http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2013/04/18/thirty-three-percent-of-worlds-poorest-live-in-india/

If being bankrupt means Pakistan is having massive world class infrastructure projects going on all over our nation (thanks to CPEC) than I'm all for it. Better than having nearly 40% of the ENTIRE Earth's most severely malnourished and extreme poor as a part of your race. Real wealth and development is far more effective than paper wealth

you people are happy that china is helping Pakistan to grow but they even do not allow any islamic rules to be followed back in china , they even barred refugees.I think their main propaganda is to capture pakistan,just like they have done with Tibet.
Please see this report ,put on net by your own economic institution on china's helping nature for pakistan.
I cannot paste the link here ,because I'm new but here are excerpts from it:
A report by the Federation of Pakistan Chambers of Commerce and Industry (FPCCI) has noted that at the current rate of influx of Chinese nationals into Balochistan and after completion of the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), the native population of the area will be outnumbered by 2048.

This trend has sparked fear of marginalisation among the Baloch citizens, who are unsure of how will the unskilled people of the province maintain their lives without land ownership which is their only asset. To address this concern, the FPCCI has recommended that the government should provide a sense of security to the natives by including them in the legislative process and by providing them with technical and vocational training to ensure their share in the economic sphere, reports the Nation.

The report was launched at a press conference on Wednesday by FPCCI president Rauf Alam, who said that the government could not separate the representations of the private sector and the main stakeholder of the economy from formulation of a policy regarding the CPEC.

He said that the FPCCI had constituted an advisory committee on the CPEC that prepared a comprehensive report, which has categorised all ambiguities and controversial argument in six statements. As per the report, the most important apprehension of the people of Balochistan relates to change in demography.

Gwadar is the ultimate destination of the CPEC while Balochistan is the least-populated province of Pakistan with rich natural resources. This attracts the people to settle here and the CPEC will facilitate them to travel and settle in the province. It is quite obvious that ethnic patterns of population distribution will be affected by the inflow of people from China and other parts of Pakistan, the report said.

It added that conservatively 0.44 persons per thousand migrate from China because of economic reasons that corroborates the inflow of more than 6,00,000 people per year in Pakistan after operating the CPEC. At present, Balochis are 55 percent of the total population of the province and the current growth rate of Balochistan’s population is 2.36 percent. This growth in population is the composition of crude birth rate, death rate and migration of the people in Balochistan from other provinces of Pakistan.

The stimulation results based on the existing rate of migration from China at 0.44 persons per thousand and rate of population growth at 0.43 percent, we may predict that the share of Chinese in Balochistan’s population is destined to increase with the completion of the CPEC and by 2045 Chinese population may be greater than the population of people of Pakistani origin in the province, said the report. The change in population dynamics is the usual part of development and progress. However, the report said that there were several possible ways to avoid undesired situations.
please check google for the link i can't paste it

Are you honestly expecting us to believe your retarded indianonic above when it is the eternal policy of your race and nation to destroy the Pakistani race and nation??????????...................believing what you wrote above is like a Jew believing a Nazi talking rubbish about the Americans in WW2.....

Our relationship with CHINA is above discussion. It will not be compromised or argued. It is set in stone. Especially when speaking to a member of our enemy race.

Thanks to China, Pakistan still exists today. Our brotherhood with China is bond that can never be broken or understood by outsiders/foreigners.