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India must stand by Dalai Lama

The Persians arrived in 936AD or in 716AD .
The next generation Persian Indians are contributing in business and entrepreneurship (TATA, Godrej, Wadia etc)

Bro, we Parsis have been Indian for more than 1300 years now.

So while I am sure your heart is in the right place, no Parsi would like to be referred to as a "Persian" Indian. We are Indians, and as Indian as any other. As a community we are Parsi Zoroastrians.

We are Indians, whose ancestors arrived by ship at Sanjan on the coast of Gujarat having left their millenia old motherland behind thanks to Arab invaders who came to spread Islam at the ends of their swords.

The region of Persia from where our people originated was Pars, hence the name Parsi.

The next lot who came to India much later, as early as maybe 300 to 200 years ago only, are called Irani Zoroastrians. They speak Persian and not Gujarati as their mother tongue, and some of their customs and religious dates are also different to us. This is the community which runs the famous Irani cafes and bakeries all over India (batasas, kharis, cheese fingers, bread, mawa cakes, shrewsburry butter biscuits, etc.).

Cheers, Doc
 
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To be honest, I think not like we have done His Holiness a favour by letting him live and practise in India. I think it's the other way around.

We in India consider The Dalai Lama a Fountainhead of Joy, Wisdom and Love. His presence, and that of the many Tibetans who have made India our home has made India a much better, calmer and tolerant place. Tibetans are generally awesome-hardworking, cheerful and peace-loving.

We are proud that he chooses to walk among us Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs...among others.

China has done the world a favour by Brutalizing Tibet-otherwise how would the world have known about him? Tibetan Buddhist philosophy (which is surprisingly scientific and rational, if anyone would ever bother to find out) would never have spread at this rate.

We will never leave his side.

And, we LOVE it and laugh our ***** off when the mighty Chinese with their trillion-dollar GDP, nuclear warheads and whatnot SQUIRM and QUAKE thinking about an old man and a bunch of people armed with nothing but compassion for the world, including the Chinese people.
 
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India will never overtly side with his holiness Dalai Lama's cause since we are a nation of peace loving people who in our history of existence have not attacked any foreign nation. :angel:

But we will covertly provide all the assistance we can to him :yahoo::yahoo: because we are wary of the Dragon for sure :partay:
 
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The Dalai Lama is a very political old monk shuffling around in Gucci shoes

- Rupert Murdoch
 
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Indeed his "holiness"

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The point I want to prove is not that the Mr. Dalai Lama is a bad person but that he is a political animal like everyone else. His religious title doesn't give him immunity from criticism and not all criticism of him is an attempt to stifle freedom of religion.


Case in point. The picture Chauism posted. He as the political head of an organization will do his best to repress and attack non-confirming sects like the Dorje Shugden.Otherwise his organization may fall apart. To put him on some kind of ethereal plane and deny his political activities is fantasy.
 
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Wow. Is that all you've got? Ten white monks with placards and pictures of stuff made from human bones?
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So, all the sudden white men are not allowed to criticize Dalai Lama. Do you really want to find out how many those protests are all around world?

This happened also in India.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl533haJlt0

Here is an article from Guardian UK.
The Guardian newspaper published an article on Wednesday entitled "Down with the Dalai Lama."
The article, signed by Brendan O'Neill, editor of spiked, the online magazine, reads in part as the following.

Why do western commentators idolise a celebrity monk who hangs out with Sharon Stone and once guest-edited French Vogue?

Has there ever been a political figure more ridiculous than the Dalai Lama? This is the "humble monk" who forswears worldly goods in favour of living a simple life dressed in maroon robes. Yet in 1992 he guest-edited French Vogue, the bible of the decadent high-fashion classes, which is packed with pictures of the half-starved daughters of the aristocracy modelling skirts and shirts that most of us could never afford.

He claims to be the current incarnation of the Tulkus line of Buddhist masters, who are "exempt from the wheel of death and rebirth." Yet he's best known for hanging out with clueless western celebs like Richard Gere and Sharon Stone (who is still most famous for showing her vagina on the big screen). Stone once introduced the Dalai Lama at a glittering fundraising ball.

The Dalai Lama allows himself to be used as a tool by western powers keen to humiliate China. Between the late 1950s and 1974, he is alleged to have received around 15,000 dollars a month, or 180,000 a year, from the CIA.

He has also been remarkably nepotistic, promoting his brothers and their wives to positions of extraordinary power in "his fiefdom-in-exile in Dharamsala, northern India."

He poses as the quirky, giggly, modern monk who once auctioned his Land Rover on eBay for 80,000 dollars and has even done an advert for Apple.

Yet in truth he is a product of the crushing feudalism of archaic, pre-modern Tibet, where an elite of Buddhist monks treated the masses as serfs and ruthlessly punished them if they stepped out of line.

The Dalai Lama demands religious freedom, yet he persecutes. Those who defied his writ were thrown out of their jobs, mocked in the streets and even had their homes smashed up.

When worshippers complained about their treatment, they were told by representatives of the Dalai Lama that "concepts like democracy and freedom of religion are empty when it comes to the wellbeing of the Dalai Lama."

The Dalai Lama has effectively been turned into a cartoon good guy. In America and western Europe, the Dalai Lama has been embraced as a living, breathing representative of unsullied goodness.

Just as earlier generations of disillusioned aristocrats fell in love with a fictional version of Tibet (Shangri-La), so contemporary un-progressives idolise a fictional image of the Dalai Lama.

Most strikingly, the Dalai Lama is used as a battering ram by western governments in their culture war with China. The reason he is flattered by world leaders and bankrolled by the CIA is not because these institutions care very much for liberty in Tibet, but rather because they want to ratchet up international pressure on their new competitors in world politics: the Chinese.

At least one reason why the Dalai Lama can pose as "the ultimate spiritual authority" and all-round supreme leader of Tibetans and their future is because influential elements in the west have empowered him to play that role. In doing so, they have been complicit in the infantilisation of the Tibetan people.
"Down with the Dalai Lama."
 
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Unless and until China recognizes J&K to be an integral part of India, India should not heed any of the China’s requests on its country's integrity. India has much better stakes on J&K then China has on Tibet
 
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Dalai Lama is much peaceful person vs Naxlite which China would like to tinker with for a good spanking to India. Then over night, we will see Indian packing up Dalai Lama on a good trip home.
 
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Unless and until China recognizes J&K to be an integral part of India, India should not heed any of the China’s requests on its country's integrity. India has much better stakes on J&K then China has on Tibet
Tibet is not a dispute territory, there is a big difference between
the stituation in Tibet and the situation in Kashmir and Jammu. Don't mix those two up.
 
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Unless and until China recognizes J&K to be an integral part of India, India should not heed any of the China’s requests on its country's integrity. India has much better stakes on J&K then China has on Tibet

It's funny that you would quote that. I suppose you support Tibetan independence based on the self-determination of people right? If so what is India's justification of holding on to a region that is 95% muslim and have no wish to be a part of the Indian state?
 
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It's funny that you would quote that. I suppose you support Tibetan independence based on the self-determination of people right? If so what is India's justification of holding on to a region that is 95% muslim and have no wish to be a part of the Indian state?

I know the question isn't pointed to me, but I'll still answer.

India's OFFICIAL stand, and one that I agree with, is that Tibet is a part of China and will be. No ambiguity there.

Kashmiris can be as Kashmiri as they want. They can pray where they want, ELECT a government from their own people, change policy, do what the f*** they want as long as it's within the constitution. The basic point of difference here is-people saying -"We're majority Muslim so we want our own state so we can f*** over all the non-muslims and kick them out". If anything, Kashmiris are a lazy, spoilt bunch who have been shielded by Article 370 of the constitution. India could have repealed it and let the valley be bought out and culturally diluted, like Tibet. We didn't.

The Chinese are SYSTEMATICALLY wiping out, diluting, sabotaging Tibetan culture.

THAT is the difference.
 
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