India Medical Tourism: Pakistanis Spend the Most Per Patient

[N.Siddiqui]

I would rather go to Middle East or China for medical treatment than to India.

I've written few words about the dark side of medical tourism industry in India, earlier in a similar thread about the Pakistani patients visiting India...after doing a fair bit of research on the subject.

Check this out.



Apart from this there are quite a few medical private practices in Pakistan who recommends Indian hospitals and doctors for liver transplant and other services, it is purely run as a business now.

Just as doctors here in Pakistan recommends a so and so Lab for MRI or clinical tests, to get the commissions and benefits....this is actually a very sad state of affairs.

Medical tourism has been turned into an industry and run like a business entrepreneurship in India, no ethics and humanity....all money and business now...and the marketing that entails is unethical and inhuman.

Many naive and unassuming patients are recommended surgeries in India just to get the commissions in Pakistan from their Indian principal like Fortis, or Apollo or Medanta big specialty hospitals in India. Parents doesn't know a thing about such practices and they blindly follow what is recommended to them by doctors here in Pakistan, obviously they are paid by the Indian principals to do that...a fair amount of money.

So all this medical tourism is basically run as a cartel, as a monopoly and kind of a benevolent mafia....nothing short of it.

Indian hospitals charges about 2 million to 3.5 million Pak rupees for such operations, which is quite substantial if you look at the middle class income of Pak people, but the thing is relatives and friends helps in collecting the money in Pakistan...another dark side of such medical practices.

Check this Pakistani website where Pak doctors recommends Indian hospitals...there are many more private doctors in Pakistan who recommend Indian hospitals even if the medical service is available in Pakistan to the gullible and naive patients....so this is the dark and real side of medical tourism in India.

Also articles in media is also used to promote it, DAWN has published many articles about it as paid content...this is a marketing gimmick to show that such an ethical thing is being done in India...which is just an eyewash.

Check this Pakistani website which promotes and recommends Indian doctors and hospitals...not possible without commission and perks. It is an industry and takes away the noble cause associated with the medical profession...sad but now a reality.

http://www.pakistanlivertransplant.com/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/surv...es-in-lahore-due-to-dehydration.511251/page-2

 

[kaykay]

ranjeet then how will your doctors manage to run their homes and hospitals without the money we give?did you ever try to read the stats? Indians can't afford this much.Say thanks to us

Didn't want to be harsh on this sensitive issue....but Its Pakistani patients who beg for Indian visas and not vice versa. Indian doctors earn enough to run their houses.

 

[Suriya]

Check this, many Indians hospitals earns a substantial income from patients from Pakistan...read it here.

One reason India has started issuing Visas to Pakistan patients after the pressure is build on the government by the medical tourism industry India...one reason it is called an industry...

No Pakistani numbers are very measly given low numbers of Visas given to Pakistan to make any major impact on Indian hospitals in terms of gain or loss .It may true for few individual hospitals crowded by Pakistanis who may be feeling the pinch.

However, the number of medical visas issued to Pakistani patients in 2015-16 stood at a measly 1,921 compared to 58,360 to patients from Bangladesh and 29,492 to patients from Afghanistan. Due to the low number of medical visas issued, Pakistan contributed only $6 million to India’s services exports compared to $343 million by Bangladesh in 2015-16.

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/07...ue-more-medical-tourism-visas-to-Pakista.html

 

[ranjeet]

You are an idiot.

This is a Pakistani forum. Please get out of here Indian rat.

Only a few want to go to India for advanced medical treatment.

Why should they go to India for any kind of treatment? either advanced or backward. take them to China, turkey or Russia.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

No Pakistani numbers are very measly given low numbers of Visas given to Pakistan to make any major impact on Indian hospitals in terms of gain or loss .

In a profit generating business model, less profit earned is taken as loss, the hospitals in Delhi/gurgaon, NCR region which took the bulk of patients from Pakistan earns upto 30% from the patients from Pakistan, some specialty hospitals, not all of them, and there is competition between the hospitals as well.

Like those run by TATA's and few run by Reliance....it is business unusual.

 

[Lotus_stalk]

Banglsdeshis spend 343 million while Pakistanis a mere 6 million... Why can't these Pakistanis go to China or Dubai?

Why all this crying and begging ?

Sushma swamped by requests, so India asks Pakistan to endorse patients for treatment
India seeks endorsement to ensure that only genuine and needy patients from Pakistan get medical care after Pakistani nationals flood Sushma Swaraj with requests
Elizabeth Roche

Due to the low number of medical visas issued, Pakistan contributed only $6 million to India’s services exports compared to $343 million by Bangladesh in 2015-16. Photo: iStock

New Delhi: India has asked Pakistan to endorse all its nationals wishing to travel to India to avail of medical care facilities offered in the country, the Indian government said on Wednesday.

The aim of the demand is to ensure that genuine and needy patients get medical care and attention, the Indian foreign ministry said.

“What has happened is that external affairs minister (Sushma Swaraj) herself was receiving these requests from Pakistani nationals addressed to her... She was receiving these requests on emails and social media and to ascertain that these are genuine requests, what we have suggested to Pakistan is that their foreign minister or foreign affairs advisor to the Pakistani prime minister sends a recommendation letter that this is the patient and they want to get treatment done in India,” said Gopal Baglay, spokesman of the Indian foreign ministry.

“It is very difficult to make decisions based on requests received by emails and on social media,” he said. “How do we know they require medical treatment in India? If the foreign policy advisor sends a letter, then we will immediately issue the visa,” he said.

According to a recent survey on export of health services by directorate general of commercial intelligence and statistics, under the commerce ministry, the highest average earnings per patient through export of health services from India comes from Pakistan at $2,906.

Pakistan is followed by Bangladesh ($2,084), CIS (Commonwealth of Independent States) countries ($1,950), Russia ($1,618) and Iraq ($1,530), according to the survey.

This means a patient from Pakistan visiting a hospital in India spends more than people from any other country, boosting India’s foreign exchange reserves.

But the number of medical visas issued to Pakistani patients in 2015-16 stood at a measly 1,921 compared to 58,360 to patients from Bangladesh and 29,492 to patients from Afghanistan.

Due to the low number of medical visas issued, Pakistan contributed only $6 million to India’s services exports compared to $343 million by Bangladesh in 2015-16.

Pakistani nationals can get visitor visas of six months to meet relatives or friends or any other legitimate purpose and the duration of stay in India at a time shall not exceed three months.

“However, senior citizens (above 65 years of age) or a Pakistan national married to an Indian and their children below 12 years of age accompanying parents may be granted two years’ visit visa with multiple entries subject to certain conditions,” minister of state in the ministry of home affairs Kiren Rijiju said in response to a question in Rajya Sabha earlier this month.

First Published: Wed, May 10 2017. 08 33 PM IST
http://www.livemint.com/Politics/qh...equests-so-India-asks-Pakistan-to-endors.html

 

[wiseone2]

Pakistanis shouldn't go to India period for medical treatment.

Only idiots go to India for medical treatment.

I would rather go to China, Middle East, Or Europe for Medical Treatment.

I understand your ego & pride. But if a live or health of a loved one is on the line make the right decision

 

[Lotus_stalk]

Pakistan summons Indian envoy over non-issuance of medical visas: Reports
Dunya TV reported that "India is making several changes in the rules to make the visa process more complicated while no visa has been granted to any Pakistani citizen during the last two months."
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By: PTI | Islamabad | Published:May 6, 2017 5:52 pm

Pakistan summoned the Indian envoy in Islamabad over non-issuance of medical visas to Pakistani nationals seeking treatment in India. (Representational image) Arun Jaitley after Congress slams RBI report: Some do not understand demonetisation
Pakistan has summoned the Indian envoy in Islamabad over non-issuance of medical visas to Pakistani nationals seeking treatment in India, Pakistani media reports said on Saturday. According to Geo News, thousands of Pakistanis seeking treatment for liver and heart-related ailments at major hospitals in New Delhi, Chennai and other Indian cities have been affected due to non-issuance of medical visas.

“India has made it impossible for Pakistanis to get medical visas,” an official was quoted as saying by the channel. Pakistan summoned Indian High Commissioner to Islamabad Gautam Bambawale and expressed concern over the issue, it said.

However, there was no official confirmation. Dunya TV also reported that “India is making several changes in the rules to make the visa process more complicated while no visa has been granted to any Pakistani citizen during the last two months.” “Islamabad has expressed reservation over the move that will affect thousands of Pakistanis travelling to India for health reasons,” it reported.

India has decided to put all bilateral engagements with Pakistan on hold after Indian national Kulbhushan Jadhav was sentenced to death by a military court on spying charges. Tensions have also escalated between the two nations after two Indian security force personnel were killed and mutilated in unprovoked firing by Pakistan on May 1 in Kashmir.

Last week, India summoned Pakistan High Commissioner Abdul Basit and demanded action against Pakistani soldiers and commanders responsible for the beheading of the two security force personnel.

http://indianexpress.com/article/wo...non-issuance-of-medical-visas-report-4643577/
http://indianexpress.com/article/wo...non-issuance-of-medical-visas-report-4643577/
Beggars cannot be choosers

 

[thunderr]

I will always recommend China,Turkey or UAE. The hatred the Indians have for us is unbelievable.Err man.Thats what you are preached in your school books.You peeps have the hatred for the patients too.
Chalo bhago is forum se idar ka visa bh ban ha tm pr.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

“What has happened is that external affairs minister (Sushma Swaraj) herself was receiving these requests from Pakistani nationals addressed to her... She was receiving these requests on emails and social media and to ascertain that these are genuine requests, what we have suggested to Pakistan is that their foreign minister or foreign affairs advisor to the Pakistani prime minister sends a recommendation letter that this is the patient and they want to get treatment done in India,” said Gopal Baglay, spokesman of the Indian foreign ministry.

Pakistan EAM hasn't written any endorsement letter to Shushma Swaraj or anyone, this is one sided decision by India, looks to be done in benevolence, but this is an industry.

From the article.

the highest average earnings per patient through export of health services from India comes from Pakistan at $2,906.

Pakistan is followed by Bangladesh ($2,084), CIS (Commonwealth of Independent States) countries ($1,950), Russia ($1,618) and Iraq ($1,530), according to the survey.

 

[Suriya]

In a profit generating business model, less profit earned is taken as loss, the hospitals in Delhi/gurgaon, NCR region which took the bulk of patients from Pakistan earns upto 30% from the patients from Pakistan, some specialty hospitals, not all of them, and there is competition between the hospitals as well.

I don't expect it to reach even 10% revenue for these individual hospitals as these big Pvt Hospital aren't dependent on pakistani patients , they get patients from around the world and large chuck of domestic patients too . But still 5 to 7 percent loss in revenue from absence of Pakistani patients is a loss they don't want to bear voluntarily.

Like those run by TATA's and few run by Reliance....it is business unusual.

TATA and reliance don't for profit hospitals .
TATA runs a renounced charity hospital for cancer treatment in Mumbai .

 

[Lotus_stalk]

Nice try Indian animal

Name me which Pakistani says Kashmir belongs to India???

Adnan Sami says that Kashmir belongs to India
Don't get influenced by external forces, Adnan Sami urges Kashmiri youth
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/...dnan-sami-urges-kashmiri-youths/1/936686.html

And all these people

Zubeida, a Muslim girl from a prominent Mumbai family was pushed into marrying a Muslim youth in 1947. The husband divorced her when she refused to migrate to Pakistan with him. She later married Hanuwant Singh, the then Maharaja of Jodhpur. Both later died in an unexplained air crash. She was the mother of film critic-turned director Khalid Mohammed (‘Fizaa’, ‘Tehzeeb’, ‘Silsilay’). Khalid wrote the script of film ‘Zubeida’ which was directed by Shyam Benegal with Karishma Kapur in the title role.

Noted English writer Anil Dharkar is married to Imtiaz, a Pakistani Muslim. Their daughter Ayesha is an actor who came to limelight with Santosh Sivan’s film ‘The Terrorist’ where she played a suicide bomber. She is married to actor Robert Taylor, a Christian.

Sir VS Naipaul, Trinidad based writer of International reputation, is a Hindu (of Indian origin) married to a Pakistani Muslim called Nadia.

46. Pakistani actress Anita Ayub who appeared in some films in 90s, got married to Saumil Patel and is now settled in USA. They have one son.

Yesteryear’s actress Meena Shorey (Khursheed Jahaan), whose claim to fame is the blockbuster hit ‘Ek Thi Ladki’ (1949), married Roop K Shorey, the producer and director of this film. A few years after partition, she divorced Roop and migrated to Pakistan. Over there, she married Pakistani actor Asad Bukhari but divorced him too. Roop K Shorey died in 1973. Meena died in 1987 in abject poverty. Her funeral had to be arranged on charity money.

Indian English writer Amitava Kumar is married to Pakistani Muslim Mona Ahmed Ali. They have a daughter, Ila.

Graphic novelist Sarnath Banerjee, a Hindu of Indian origin is married to Bani Abidi, a Pakistani Muslim.

Malayali Hindu artist Sumedh Rajendran is married to Masooma Syed, a Pakistani Muslim.

Pakistani Muslim journalist Sonya Fatah is married to indian Hindu husband Rajiv Rao. They have one son.

Poet Iqbal who wrote the song ‘Sare Jahan Se Achchha Hindustan Hamara’ but unfortunately, later became the biggest proponent of idea of Pakistan, had Kashmiri Pandit ancestry. It is said that he was son of Ratan Lal Sapru and a Muslim woman Iman Bibi. It is also said that Ratan Lal had to convert to Islam at the time of marriage.

USA based filmmaker Rohi Mirza is married to felow filmmaker Gitesh Pandya. Her brother Ameer is married to a Hindu. Their parents are Pakistani Muslim (father) and Filipino (mother).

Grand niece of legendary Urdu writer Saadat Hasan Manto and noted Pakistani historian, Ayesha Jalal is married to Indian Hindu Husband Sugata Bose, who is grand nephew of One of Greatest Indian Freedom Fighter Subhash Chandra Bose and grandson of Sarat Chandra Bose.

Yesteryear’s leading actor Shyam (born Shyam Sunder Chaddha) who died in 1951 after a fall from horseback during a film shoot, was married to Mumtaz Qureishi.

 

[SorryNotSorry]

You are an idiot.

This is a Pakistani forum. Please get out of here Indian rat.

Only a few want to go to India for advanced medical treatment.

Watch your language. No need for personal attacks. Discuss the topic at hand.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

I understand your ego & pride. But if a live or health of a loved one is on the line make the right decision

Tell me will you be willing to travel to Pakistan for any medical treatment supposedly, let's assume a particular treatment is available in Pakistan and not in India that easily, or not available?.

Will Indians travel to Pakistan is the question?

Just as Pakistanis travel to India...

 

[ranjeet]

ranjeet then how will your doctors manage to run their homes and hospitals without the money we give?did you ever try to read the stats? Indians can't afford this much.Say thanks to us

Lol @ money you give .... please kindly persuade your own people to not break that piggy bank for a medical visit to India.