India may end support to Palestine at U.N.

[The Huskar]

Ask Palestine people about what is their stand on Kashmir,if they support then India should support them..If they oppose then be neutral or oppose them...Anyway, India and its stand does not matter any way..This is just for domestic political consumption by our so called secular parties...Otherwise who cares what India is really stand for on Palestine issue...

Getting opposite to the majority in Palestine issue may not be such a good decision now.Remaining neutral instead of support may be the good decision now.

 

[Kaniska]

My views are irrelevant to PA positions. Palestinian Authority prefer to remain neutral in outside conflicts. My personal position is to support position of Kashmiri peoples. If they want to live under Pakistan or India. Or if they want an independent state. I support the majority view amongst their people.

Thanks for sharing your opinion...Then based on this perception of people of Palestine, India should abstain from UN vote.Because by supporting or opposing Palestine issue, India is not acheiving anything which is needed for its interest. And any way, India is not at all any kind of player in Palestine issue..So it is fine for India to abstain in Palestine issue..

 

[SrNair]

We get to be on the right side of history by supporting Palestine. In the long run, the moral perception of a nation is as much of a part of national interest as AESA tech. Besides, I don't think Israel will make the relationship contingent on supporting them (or abstaining).

The guys in the South Block knows more than us.A common Indian dont even care about thestuff like this irrespective of their religion.False ego created by secular parties and leftists

 

[SrNair]

When did they made any anti-Indian comment? Palestinian leaders have been neutral over Kashmir issue.

Peoples from Azad Kashmir visited PA ambassador and he gave support to Kashmir cause.

 

[Falcon29]

Thanks for sharing your opinion...Then based on this perception of people of Palestine, India should abstain from UN vote.Because by supporting or opposing Palestine issue, India is not acheiving anything which is needed for its interest. And any way, India is not at all any kind of player in Palestine issue..So it is fine for India to abstain in Palestine issue..

Most Palestinians don't have time to bother about Asia or its disputes. That is my personal view.

 

[Aepsilons]

In what could amount to a tectonic shift in the country’s foreign policy, the Modi government is looking at altering India’s supporting vote for the Palestinian cause at the United Nations to one of abstinence.

Two sources within the government confirmed to The Hindu that the change, which will be a fundamental departure from India’s support to the cause of a Palestinian state, was under consideration.

“Like other foreign policy issues, the Modi government is looking at India’s voting record at the United Nations on the Palestinian issue,” a government source toldThe Hindu. The change only needs an administrative nod, the second source said.

Despite the growing defence and diplomatic ties with Israel, the UPA government, which junked traditional ally Iran to vote with the United States at the International Atomic Energy Agency in 2005, had baulked at making any change in India’s support to the Palestinians.

Even former Prime Minister A.B. Vajpayee’s government, which invited Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to India in 2003, did not amend India’s voting record at the U.N.

India’s stance at the UN has been an irritant in Indo-Israeli relations, with Tel Aviv frustrated that close bonds had not resulted in any change in the stance on Palestine.

A senior Israeli interlocutor told a visiting Indian External Affairs Minister some time ago that New Delhi treated Tel Aviv like a “mistress” – by keeping the bilateral relationship away from the public gaze. This re-examination of India’s voting stance will come as sweet music to Israeli ears just as it will raise concerns in West Asian capitals about the future course of Indian foreign policy.

@sancho @Horus @Abingdonboy @Nihonjin1051 @gslv mk3 @Koovie and others,what do you think may be the repercussions of this decision.

@The Huskar


Its important to analyze this geopolitical development in regards to the emerging and deepening relationship between Israel and India. Both Israel and India had established full diplomatic relations in 1992, and with that bilateral trade has grown from $200 million in 1992 to about $5 Billion in 2010. The high level collaboration in defense, science and IT reflect inter-governmental trust and stable partnership.

Israelis and Indians have been interacting along many axes as both states traverse each other’s terrains. There is a deep cultural interaction and to illustrate this, I would like to note that over 40,00 Israelis visit India on an annual basis. In addition to that , there are over 70,000 Indian Jews that live in Israel, aside from other Non-Jewish Indian communities that cluster in Israel.

There is, indeed, a deep cultural and historical link between the two. It should be known that hundreds of Indian soldiers under the British Raj fought and died in Palestine and remain buried in what is now Israel. Although statehood in 1947 and 1948 (For India and Israel, respectively) came with some conterminous histories of a British past, these two newly established states were driven by very divergent ideologies of nationhood. Ben Gurion held Gandhi in high esteem, they were impelled by very different imperatives. Gandi abhorred the role of religion in public life and the Nehruvian vision of a new India carried that idea forward. Citizenship was divorced from faith in India; in Erez Israel it was a critical link. Who would qualify for full citizenship in Israel and who was an Indian were conceptualized along different axes. And to go back to this concept of cultural diversity, I would like to emphasize that India has a long civilizational connection with Judaism. For centuries, Jews have lived across India harmoniously integrated within a pluralistic multi-faith Indian society. Jews of Indian origin, unlike Ashkenazi communities, have no history of anti-semitism. Bene Israel Jews from western India trace their Indian heritage over two thousand years and this can be seen in the richness of the Kerala Jews in Southern India and the Baghdadis of Mumbai and Kolkata, who trickled in during the 17th centuries, coming to India to escape the pogroms in Iraq, and thus establishing businesses eastwards from India to Shanghai, to Nagasaki, and even in Tokyo.

So when we analyze the full spectrum of Indian-Israeli relations , and geopolitical partnership, we have to consider these cultural and historical processes that I have listed and pointed out. When that is realized, then one can analyze the current growing relationship both countries have. There is a growing Indo-Israeli military dimension that was codified in 2001 through what is the Joint Defense Cooperation Group, which has an annual meeting that addresses defense deals, such as the procurement of weapons, technology transfers, co-production of military equipment and joint military exercises and other aspects of their security relationship. Actually I would like to note that India constitutes the largest market for Israeli defense industry and Israel is the second largest supplier of arms to India, after Russia. According to 2014 estimates, India accounts for $1 to $1.5 Billion of Israel’s $7 Billion total defense exports.

In considering these realities and various cooperative axes that both India and Israel touch base on, it is likely that the Indo-Israeli ties will expand further in the political, economic and strategic realms as India continues to rise in pre-eminence and as Israel continues to expand its defense and political support base throughout the world. And I believe that Modi will work jointly with leaders in Israel to address mutually overlapping strategic interests.

Reference:

Singh, M. C. (2012). Indians and Israelis: Beyond Strategic Partnerships. Israel Studies, 17(3), 22-44.

Indo-Israeli Relations Set to Improve | The Diplomat

 

[Kaniska]

Yes, but think about it - India with largest Muslim population in the world for decades on was never accepted in the OIC. The very first attempt, which initially King Faisal and the Jordanian King thought made sense for India, was thwarted at the request of Yahya Khan.

They did not stop just there, they permanently banished India from joining the OIC.

And further down the course of time, we have always seen how they quickly unite against India on the matters of Kashmir. And Kashmir is just one matter... if we go into details, numerous of the religious and ethnic riots that took place in India can very easily be traced to these very countries whom we have supported on Palestine.

So what has India really gained by supporting Palestine or even being absent from such voting?

On the other hand, Israel has helped us time again - despite the fact that India refused to recognized the Israeli state when it came into being - all that within 2-3 years after the Jews were nearly wiped out from this planet.

If this is not the time for India to stand straight, then this country will never develop a backbone and will keep suffering at the hands of extremists while trying to be internationally politically correct.

Technically i agree with you...But India and its politics is very complicated..Out secular political are all anti national and always work against country's interest..And we are all messed up...So i do not see about supporting Isreal in near future rather India can abstain and indirectly support Isreal....Some section of our minority feels that Palestine is more imp for them rather than my country's own interest...What to do...? We do not have much choice rather than to deal with those section of anti national minorities....

Then get the F out of the middle east and go back to your cow piss curry country.

We are never ever a player in middle east...India is a non existent player on middle east...So it does not matter what India stands for..And again, as i said earlier, if Palestine does not support Kashmir issue with Indian stand, then Indian is not any way obliged to support them..

 

[SrNair]

Then get the F out of the middle east and go back to your cow piss curry country.

Your post is reported.
That was his opinion.Only his opinion.

 

[Kompromat]

Not surprising and without much consequence.

 

[deadmau5e]

We are never ever a player in middle east...India is a non existent player on middle east...So it does not matter what India stands for..And again, as i said earlier, if Palestine does not support Kashmir issue with Indian stand, then Indian is not any way obliged to support them..[/QUOTE]

There are dozens of Indian expats in the middle east and I have no problem with India supporting Israel over Palestine but calling Palestinians terrorists is over the top. The children have recently been brutally murdered by the IDF and I won't tolerate this. If agent smith wants to play that way, i'll play along and give him a taste of his medicine.

Your post is reported.
That was his opinion.Only his opinion.

Calling Palestinians terrorists is fine? He went over the line. He should have been diplomatic about it. Instead he made a hateful comment. And, I retaliated. I'm as offended as you are.

 

[Kloitra]

Yup, it was basically relating that Palestine and Kashmir should get freedom.

Peoples from Azad Kashmir visited PA ambassador and he gave support to Kashmir cause.

From what I get Kashmiris showed some sort of support to Palestinians, in return he said something along the lines of brotherhood. What else was he supposed to say?
Officially, Palestinian authorities have always been neutral towards the Kashmir dispute.

 

[The Great One]

@The Huskar


Its important to analyze this geopolitical development in regards to the emerging and deepening relationship between Israel and India. Both Israel and India had established full diplomatic relations in 1992, and with that bilateral trade has grown from $200 million in 1992 to about $5 Billion in 2010. The high level collaboration in defense, science and IT reflect inter-governmental trust and stable partnership.

Israelis and Indians have been interacting along many axes as both states traverse each other’s terrains. There is a deep cultural interaction and to illustrate this, I would like to note that over 40,00 Israelis visit India on an annual basis. In addition to that , there are over 70,000 Indian Jews that live in Israel, aside from other Non-Jewish Indian communities that cluster in Israel.

There is, indeed, a deep cultural and historical link between the two. It should be known that hundreds of Indian soldiers under the British Raj fought and died in Palestine and remain buried in what is now Israel. Although statehood in 1947 and 1948 (For India and Israel, respectively) came with some conterminous histories of a British past, these two newly established states were driven by very divergent ideologies of nationhood. Ben Gurion held Gandhi in high esteem, they were impelled by very different imperatives. Gandi abhorred the role of religion in public life and the Nehruvian vision of a new India carried that idea forward. Citizenship was divorced from faith in India; in Erez Israel it was a critical link. Who would qualify for full citizenship in Israel and who was an Indian were conceptualized along different axes. And to go back to this concept of cultural diversity, I would like to emphasize that India has a long civilizational connection with Judaism. For centuries, Jews have lived across India harmoniously integrated within a pluralistic multi-faith Indian society. Jews of Indian origin, unlike Ashkenazi communities, have no history of anti-semitism. Bene Israel Jews from western India trace their Indian heritage over two thousand years and this can be seen in the richness of the Kerala Jews in Southern India and the Baghdadis of Mumbai and Kolkata, who trickled in during the 17th centuries, coming to India to escape the pogroms in Iraq, and thus establishing businesses eastwards from India to Shanghai, to Nagasaki, and even in Tokyo.

So when we analyze the full spectrum of Indian-Israeli relations , and geopolitical partnership, we have to consider these cultural and historical processes that I have listed and pointed out. When that is realized, then one can analyze the current growing relationship both countries have. There is a growing Indo-Israeli military dimension that was codified in 2001 through what is the Joint Defense Cooperation Group, which has an annual meeting that addresses defense deals, such as the procurement of weapons, technology transfers, co-production of military equipment and joint military exercises and other aspects of their security relationship. Actually I would like to note that India constitutes the largest market for Israeli defense industry and Israel is the second largest supplier of arms to India, after Russia. According to 2014 estimates, India accounts for $1 to $1.5 Billion of Israel’s $7 Billion total defense exports.

In considering these realities and various cooperative axes that both India and Israel touch base on, it is likely that the Indo-Israeli ties will expand further in the political, economic and strategic realms as India continues to rise in pre-eminence and as Israel continues to expand its defense and political support base throughout the world. And I believe that Modi will work jointly with leaders in Israel to address mutually overlapping strategic interests.

Cultural or historical ties don't guide Indo-Israeli relationship (seriously? you had to copy-paste all that from wiki) . The relationship is very pragmatic. We have demand for so and so stuff and Israel has the means to fulfill such demand. Common enemy (terrorists) is an added bonus (which unfortunately leads many Indians to believe in Indo-Israel bhai bhai/ India should deal with terrorist like Israel and so on). Support to Palestine may have remained if we hadn't been snubbed by OIC, but anyway, what India does on this issue of little consequence - given India's present status in global/ME politics. Better to remove the thorn in India-Israel relation.

 

[Not Sure]

Technically i agree with you...But India and its politics is very complicated..Out secular political are all anti national and always work against country's interest..And we are all messed up...So i do not see about supporting Isreal in near future rather India can abstain and indirectly support Isreal....Some section of our minority feels that Palestine is more imp for them rather than my country's own interest...What to do...? We do not have much choice rather than to deal with those section of anti national minorities....

Oh do not worry about it at all. It was inevitable. Israelis consider India as their most reliable ally, while the US has been changing its color vis a vis Israel. Israel now mostly depends on countries like India and Russia for its support.

So abstinence is okay, for as long as it is viable, but when push comes to shove, which certainly will - as we saw in the recent confrontation between Hamas and Israel, what do you think would we do as a reliable partner of that Israel on which we depend for a great deal of Defence tech?

We will be left with no choice but to support Israel whole-heartedly - irrespective of the party at the center. Only difference is, Congress would feel forced, while the BJP would do it without even asking.

 

[Falcon29]

Cultural or historical ties don't guide Indo-Israeli relationship (seriously? you had to copy-paste all that from wiki) .

He always does that.

 

[IndoUS]

From what I get Kashmiris showed some sort of support to Palestinians, in return he said something along the lines of brotherhood. What else was he supposed to say?
Officially, Palestinian authorities have always been neutral towards the Kashmir dispute.

Mate this happened in Pakistan and by doing so he added fire to the fuel. It might not have been his intention, but in the end the outcome was that people took it direct support.