India developing sub-sonic 1,000-km range cruise missile 'Nirbhay': DRDO chief

[qsaark]

nirbhay will be a terrain hugging, stealth missile capable of delivering 24 different types of warheads depending on mission requirements and will use inertial navigation system for guidance. Nirbhay will supplement Brahmos in the sense that it would enable delivery of warheads farther than the 300 km range of Brahmos

Its not only 'Nirbhay' that has or would have these qualities; most in fact all modern CMs are terrain hugging, using inertial guidance and capable of delivering multiple types of payload.

 

[jha]

i just wish we have a combo of BRAHMOS's speed and NIRBHAY's range..

 

[jagjitnatt]

Its not only 'Nirbhay' that has or would have these qualities; most in fact all modern CMs are terrain hugging, using inertial guidance and capable of delivering multiple types of payload.

read my answer on post #18. might help you.
He just copy-pasted what the developers of Nirbhay stated. Don't blame him.

 

[Kinetic]

Loitering missiles and space-based sensors are very good idea those our enemies cannot effort. This will give India definitive edge oven them. It also reduces work load of the armed forces. When tracked by the spaced based sensors, these loitering missiles can search and destroy the targets on thier own.

Bravo India!

---------- Post added at 08:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:00 PM ----------

it is developing... many tests will fail .... budget cuts .... scandals ... hey i have a fairly good idea when this missile will be inducted inot Indian Military ... 2090 ... lol

Name one country whose missiles never failed?

 

[Join]

Its not only 'Nirbhay' that has or would have these qualities; most in fact all modern CMs are terrain hugging, using inertial guidance and capable of delivering multiple types of payload.

Yes I do know that, but it has more range than BRAHMOS, just a substitute to brahmos, Brahmos dosent have range, but speed which makes it superior, nirbhay Is like ordinary cruise missiles but with more range...

 

[qsaark]

Brahmos is a joint venture and limited to 300 km range due to MTCR.
India is looking for cruise missile with over 1000 km range.

Out of range and speed one has to sacrifice one in order to keep the size and expense in control.

Nirbhay chooses to sacrifice speed in favor of range. Also this makes it a very inexpensive missile. One can buy ten Nirbhay in place of a single Brahmos.


Brahmos = Quality (High-End)
Nirbhay = Quantity (Low-End)

We can't do with a single missile. Got to have options.

So now you know why PA chose to go with a subsonic CM over a supersonic one? Good that India finally came to appreciate the 'advantages' of a subsonic CM though examples were already set by BGM-109, AGM-129, Raduga Kh-55, CJ-10 which all have 1000+km range and subsonic. Though before this news, these 'advantages' could not be seen by many Indian friends here.

 

[Join]

So now you know why PA chose to go with a subsonic CM over a supersonic one? Good that India finally came to appreciate the 'advantages' of a subsonic CM though examples were already set by BGM-109, AGM-129, Raduga Kh-55, CJ-10 which all have 1000+km range and subsonic. Though before this news, these 'advantages' could not be seen by many Indian friends here.

A subsonic cruise missile is a soft target for ABM's, But Once you have a missile which can penetrate into enemy Air defense, a missile like BRAHMOS which does that, You certainly need a back up, that is lesser speed but High range, Nirbhay would make a perfect partner of BRAHMOS

 

[lhuang]

Brahmos will be used to neutralise SAM sites after which a barrage of Nirbhays will attack airfields etc. This has nothing to do with quality or quantity, though one is obviously far harder to intercept than the other.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Wow...Xinhua beats ToI in sensationalism. Just check out the headlines
ToI: India developing sub-sonic 1,000-km range cruise missile 'Nirbhay': DRDO chief - The Times of India

Xinhua: India Develops Sub-sonic Stealth Cruise Missile

 

[jagjitnatt]

So now you know why PA chose to go with a subsonic CM over a supersonic one? Good that India finally came to appreciate the 'advantages' of a subsonic CM though examples were already set by BGM-109, AGM-129, Raduga Kh-55, CJ-10 which all have 1000+km range and subsonic. Though before this news, these 'advantages' could not be seen by many Indian friends here.

We never said subsonic missile had no advantage. But their advantage is less expense. If we can afford to spend more, then obviously a faster missile is a better option.

Nirbhay is a low end missile. It can be afforded in great numbers, whereas Brahmos costs a lot so not many can be produced.

BUT in war scenario, Brahmos provides a clear advantage which can not be nullified by any other missile. All the mission critical tasks would be assigned to Brahmos. Nirbhay would be for not so important targets.

I definitely wouldn't want to use a $3 million missile to destroy a bunker. For tasks like these Nirbhay would be used. Brahmos would used to neutralize SAMs, Airbases, Headquarters etc.
I hope you understand.

 

[Kinetic]

So now you know why PA chose to go with a subsonic CM over a supersonic one? Good that India finally came to appreciate the 'advantages' of a subsonic CM though examples were already set by BGM-109, AGM-129, Raduga Kh-55, CJ-10 which all have 1000+km range and subsonic. Though before this news, these 'advantages' could not be seen by many Indian friends here.

Brahmos is still much better than Nirbhay. Nirbhay can be stopped but not Brahmos. Many countries have subsonic cruise missiles but very very few countries have missiles like Brahmos. Once launched its almost impossible for the enemy to save itself from Brahmos. Nirbhay can be intercepted by Akash, SPYDER and Barak-NG over land.

 

[Mauryan]

Why India is developing a sub-sonic Cruise Missile while she has supersonic Brahmos? I remember Indian members ridiculing Pakistani CMs for the reason they were subsonic and claiming that supersonic CMs were better for this and that reason. Now why a reversal of the mindset? Why this revelation occurred to them that a sub-sonic CM could also be useful?

As you see here, both missiles have different requirements and inhibit different strategies.

One is supersonic/hypersonic(in development) for short ranged high valued targets.Also its costly a 2.2-3 million a piece(depending upon variants).
Though a 300 km range missile is enough to deal with pakistan by launching from border areas,it cant be used for mass scale attacking and is short legged.
Hence the need for a long ranged mass production capable variant for overhelming strikes.
For IA Nirbhay and Prithvi are the only way out.
But IAF will be getting Nirbhay on top of its Next gen ADM(with 1200km range and mach 2 speed) both these will satisfy the IAF requirement.

Even if you consider any military world wide, they simply dont rely on one sort of high/low end technologies. there needs to be parity. High end and low end.All high end? no country can afford them.All low end? not good enough.

Cruise missile force of India is pretty much good with regards to pak.
It inducted a supersonic Brahmos LACM,Hypersonic Shourya getting ready for induction, Sub-sonic Nirbhay will be readied sooner than later.
OF these Nirbhay will be used along side tube artillery(like smerch and Pinaka I/II) without out using boots on ground.
IA,IAF,IN wants to network to a much possible extent to reduce boots on ground.Which means relying on artillery and tactical missiles.This goes well with the plan of surprise attacking and quick reaction.
At the end of the day, it is only the doctrine that call for different types of weapons and systems.Brahmos was a system went into development before cold-start was formulated.
But cold-start called for much agressive firepower to choke the enemy,so that boots will be put on the ground after C3I is taken care of with long range strikes.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

double post

 

[qsaark]

A subsonic cruise missile is a soft target for ABM's,...

ABM = Anti-Ballistic Missile. You are proposing to counter a smaller-than-aircraft terrain hugging Cruise Missile with ABM? So far the efficacy of an ABM against a BM is questionable how on earth a CM would be a 'soft target' for an ABM system?

Brahmos is still much better than Nirbhay.

No doubt; former is operational and later is still on the drawing board.

 

[jagjitnatt]

ABM = Anti-Ballistic Missile. You are proposing to counter a smaller-than-aircraft terrain hugging Cruise Missile with ABM? So far the efficacy of an ABM against a BM is questionable how on earth a CM would be a 'soft target' for an ABM system?

No doubt; former is operational and later is still on the drawing board.

Stop finding errors qsaark. You've been better.

These members are new. Let them learn.