Well this deal alone wouldn't have created a HAL rival given the sheer behemoth HAL is but it would have been a very positive step in that direction and it is a great shame that it won't happen with this particular deal now.....
Indeed, a MASSIVE plus and the beginning of something big. I'm still hopeful something like this will come in the next 5 years but this Avro deal would have been the earliest solution. If TATA was able to prove themselves (which I have no reason to doubt) then the argument HAL was th only firm in the country able to carry out xyz would have been refuted and we could have seen a major shift in the thinking of the MoD.
Read again, this is for the Multi role transport, not strategic MRTT
QUESTION? Why didn't the contract attract private industry... as far as I remember you said Tata was doing something about thisHilarious isn't it?They simply couldn't attract more privat industry vendors to participate, the same problem that the former MoD faced too and instead of getting the best possible deal with the only JV that came forward (which imo was the best offer in the tender anyway), Parrikar seems to have a different idea. The idea is completely contrary to the aim of the IAF, the MoD and even the PM's Make in India agenda, but does have some sense in it, because Parrikar seems to think about making IAF more efficient as a whole, by using just one type of airfraft, similar to his ideas about MKIs for MMRCA.
I don't think he is doing the right thing, but one have to give it to him, that he is developing is own ideas to improve things, beyond party politics. But this is not a done deal, lets see what the PM says about it.
What is so ultra modern about tata, remind me again?
I believe it was because the order for 40 units (56 broken down into 16 off the shelf and 40 built in India by an Indian partner) was seen as far too low and economically unviable for other Indian firms. Had the order been for 100+ to be built in India (which would happen if you clubbed together the BSFs, CRPF's, IAF's, IN's and ICG's requirements for a aircraft in the C-295/C-27J range) the situation would have been very different.
I assume he is implying that TATA would have built an ultra modern production line for the C-295s which, given they are a cash-rich private firm trying to achieve big things in this sector it is not unfair to assume.
And that exactly is where HAL comes into picture, where HAL will get into projects where it will not make a cent, and still deliver the needed systems to IAF, IN, IA and ISRO. This is where the difference comes, where it saves these organisation huge loads of capital where MoD doesn't need to float a 100 + aircrafts when the requirement is just of 56.
Their S-92 production line looks world class:
(that computer has the C-295 has a background wallpaper, just noticed that-weird)
Sure, there are two sides to every coin and the argument you have presented is a very fair one to make in favour of public enterprises, but then they are open to criticism as are all public enterprises, for inefficiency and low-prodcutivtity. HAL is making an effort to reorganise and reform itself internally but it woulnd't hurt to have competitors, wouldn't you agree @sandy_3126 ? Competition is only going to benefit India?
I assume he is implying that TATA would have built an ultra modern production line for the C-295s which, given they are a cash-rich private firm trying to achieve big things in this sector it is not unfair to assume.
Their S-92 production line looks world class:
(that computer has the C-295 has a background wallpaper, just noticed that-weird)
Yeah, it is a major disappointment. Forget about anything else but having the kind of expertise in testing, quality control, certification etc of a large transport (military) aircraft in the hands of a PRIVATE player in India would really have been a game changer for India as a whole...
So isn't it a travesty on Tata's part, when they have the opportunity to get their foot in the door with long term prospective of completely rooting out HAL as many have hinted in the past. Why would they give up such a golden opportunity?
True sir, but they certainly have the potential to do so do they not? They are a huge corporation with vast amounts of skilled human capital and massive funds, if they put their minds to something they are likely to succeed. If they are given the chance that is.
