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India-China parallel rise in contemporary era is ‘unique happening in human history’: S Jaishankar

China may be well ahead in terms of it's economy, poverty alleviation and development but there is only India who is anywhere to be seen with the same growth trajectory and potential. India are held back by the democratic system, China has had no such issues to deal with. There are benefits to having a authoritarian system and a mostly homogeneous Han society largely devoid of religion. India has diversity and factions within the abrahamic systems that thrive here yet are fundamentally opposed to India.

We're doing well considering that handicap.
I have to say you are rational Indian. Most Indians are just proud of their democracy and diversity, especially in religion part. Besides these, there are too many other problems in India social structure and ideology. Unless an Indian version Mao comes out and leads India Cultrure Revolution, there is no way for India to defeat China in almost any field.
 
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India-China parallel rise in contemporary era is ‘unique happening in human history’: S Jaishankar

External Affairs Minister (EAM) S Jaishankar at the 13th All India Conference of China Studies said that India-China’s parallel rise in the contemporary era is a ‘unique happening in the human history’. “The two nations have some similarities, especially of size and history but there is also very interesting contrast in many ways culturally, politically or economically. Both are in the process of building a modern nation-state from a civilized society.


The only unique part is, that China is actually a nation with over 90% Han ethnicity, they have the same culture and language, with a mostly unified history going back thousands of years.

While, India is a forced experiment in nation building, with no single language, no single culture, no single ethnicity, and no shared history.

It is merely a cultural grouping, much like Africa and Europe, you cannot claim nationhood based on that. It is a country 73 years old, that pretends to be much older. It practices hate towards everyone, especially Abrahamic religions, but before Abrahamic religions came along, where was the unity?

Even before the Abrahamic religions, South Asia (India region, not country) was extremely diverse, different cultures, different versions of Hinduism, in-fact Hinduism is a name created by foreigners. There has never been a historical nation in South Asia. The only claim is based on a religious ideology of ancient Hinduism, when Hinduism has never been a single religion. but then they create a secular country based on a religious ideology.

The contradictions are endless.
 
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And when other. Member were talking about Indians delusion I was thinking They were hyping it but u showed they were understating ;)


He doesn't need to make sense. He just needs to be "anywhere to be seen".
How about just a regular conversation instead of the constant trolling ? I outlined clearly the few points that I think have given China a leg up. No democracy, which is a plus in this case. No diversity, and mostly no religion.. all plusses and positives in terms of taking a country of a billion forward.

As a whole I think the Chinese are probably a more industrious people than Indians but there is no shortage of very smart people here. We have a reasonably successful space program, made our own nuclear weapons without stealing or espionage, we have a powerful armed forces, all manner of other heavy and tech industry... and wield significant soft power.

C'mon man (biden).. lets have some better discussions on this forum.

You seem to be a reasonable person who wants to have a sensible conversation, no like the guy above you who has been talking about "1000000000 Chinese refugees" for years, nothing worth taking seriously. I do hope he is in the tiny minority in your country that will not be a part of positive force to "talk a country of a billion forward".

For the starter, China and India are two very different countries, though both boasting thousands years history, but China has been a single unified country since 200 BC while India as an unified nation is the modern creation of British legacy. Therefore, the identity has never been an issue for Chinese. The same cannot be said about Indians, thus, the slogan of "unity in diversity".

In thousands of years, Chinese have almost always under a central government led by an Emperor, a Son of Heaven. So its current authoritarian govornance system is just the continuation of Chinese tradition and culture.

The modern China (PRC) largely eliminated the social ills and superstisions that plaqued China for thousands of years from the get-go, though through rather brutal revolution, while India still has to carried its historic and cultural burdens on the way to modernization. Case in point, your still live and well caste system (even among IT professionals in silicone valley) and your lack of land reform. So China is more or less redrawing its bluepint in a sheet of clean paper, but India has to do it on an used canvas.

As you mentioned, Chinese are more industrial minded, and I would add, more rational and materialistic as most Chinese believe in YOLO and want to make the best out of this life. In the other hand, Indians are more merchant minded and "spiritual" as many of you believe in Karma which gives them a reason to sit this life through.

Both countries have abundant talents, while Chinese talents shine in China and India's talents shine in foreign lands, as you said, more visible on world stage. Many of your brightest are making living overseas their live goal. So we have a difference in available talent pools for nation building.

The difference goes on. Let's save it for the next time.
 
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The only unique part is, that China is actually a nation with over 90% Han ethnicity, they have the same culture and language, with a mostly unified history going back thousands of years.

While, India is a forced experiment in nation building, with no single language, no single culture, no single ethnicity, and no shared history.

It is merely a cultural grouping, much like Africa and Europe, you cannot claim nationhood based on that. It is a country 73 years old, that pretends to be much older. It practices hate towards everyone, especially Abrahamic religions, but before Abrahamic religions came along, where was the unity?

Even before the Abrahamic religions, South Asia (India region, not country) was extremely diverse, different cultures, different versions of Hinduism, in-fact Hinduism is a name created by foreigners. There has never been a historical nation in South Asia. The only claim is based on a religious ideology of ancient Hinduism, when Hinduism has never been a single religion. but then they create a secular country based on a religious ideology.

The contradictions are endless.
The funniest part of Hindutva is, Brahmins are actually immigrants in subcontinent.
 
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The modern China (PRC) largely eliminated the social ills and superstisions that plaqued China for thousands of years from the get-go, though through rather brutal revolution, while India still has to carried its historic and cultural burdens on the way to modernization. Case in point, your still live and well caste system (even among IT professionals in silicone valley) and your lack of land reform. So China is more or less redrawing its bluepint in a sheet of clean paper, but India has to do it on an used canvas.

land reform in India ?? Do you have any idea of the average or median size of the Indian or Pakistani farm ?
 
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China may be well ahead in terms of it's economy, poverty alleviation and development but there is only India who is anywhere to be seen with the same growth trajectory and potential.


We're doing well considering that handicap.

Countries like korea,taiwan etc totally outstripped india in growth trajectory starting from way behind, even much of south east asia has shown much greater growth trajectory. Even some african nations has better growth trajectory,what India has is 1.3 billion people driving up GDP figures.


India are held back by the democratic system, China has had no such issues to deal with. There are benefits to having a authoritarian system and a mostly homogeneous Han society largely devoid of religion. India has diversity and factions within the abrahamic systems that thrive here yet are fundamentally opposed to India.

Now ,India is held back by democracy? next India is held back by aliens? What about the dozens of other democratic countries that developed?There are literally just 4 nations under communism,and with the exception of China ,the rest aren't actually economic powerhouses.

Religion is an inherent byproduct of Indian genetic makeup and their culture ,China didn't deliver religion,
it the result of this south asian sect for being in existence .

It's true India has diversity,but it's not an excuse for the shitty state,most nations has huge diversity,many of which has far more diversity than India ,singapore is as diverse as it gets yet in comparison to India it's in different league.
 
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India can only make excuses that are just a scratching on the surface against the backdrop of antagonistic reality.
The problem is far deep and almost impossible to overcome ,it's rooted between the inherent trait ,natural impulse of Indians and their cultural by-products.

India has developed compared to at least how it was 30 years ago,but that doesn't mean India has fundamentally changed itself with natural advancement in technology and a progressive outlook. India's development was on the back of interaction with foreign economies,it's totally different than the development of countries like S.Korea , accompanied by technological advancements.

Countries with IQ near 80 doesn't possess the character of a nation with IQ in 105+.
It's very evident how such nations conduct themselves and the way it operates.

The devised Culture and the inherent sense for code of conduct in a nation with avg IQ in the upper 105+ is vastly different and superior than those with inferior quality human resources.
The countries with higher IQ will always operate at higher order ,this is natural calling,that's just how it works.

India might have progressed in infrastructure and various form of development at some phase,but India as a society of people, hasn't actually civilized yet, they might get more educated but lacks the fundamental basics for how to conduct oneself.They can only try to fool others and oneself,that's the limitation.

They can't help it against their genetic mapping,it's like asking a APBT to show the temperament of a retriever. Humans are also mammals with inherent genetic traits.
iNDIA might try genetic editing in the future but the cultural byproduct of older generations will be hard to overcome.
 
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China may be well ahead in terms of it's economy, poverty alleviation and development but there is only India who is anywhere to be seen with the same growth trajectory and potential. India are held back by the democratic system, China has had no such issues to deal with. There are benefits to having a authoritarian system and a mostly homogeneous Han society largely devoid of religion. India has diversity and factions within the abrahamic systems that thrive here yet are fundamentally opposed to India.

We're doing well considering that handicap.
An authoritarian system works with people who enjoy being ruled and can't think too much for themselves.
 
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When will Indians realize China and India are not in the same squad
Serious man, why the fck do they wanna equate themselves to us, they are a supapowa like USA.
An authoritarian system works with people who enjoy being ruled and can't think too much for themselves.
You mean like how Brahmins rule Dalits and other Varnas in Hinduism? Lol
 
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The similarities are superficial. Too many differences. China can't match India in technology or innovation. It is one thing to build your economy on forced labor, internment camps and sweatshops - another to actually build an economy in a more sensible manner.

What a load of crap

China innovating at a far higher rate than India could even aspire to and they are integrating new technology into their industry and society while most of India struggles with basic plumbing.

Put your whatsapp orders on mute for a second and give this a read:
India is nowhere in the world; denial won’t work
 
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