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India’s Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is known for his soft-spoken manner and propensity for understatement. One recent example is his observation, made ahead of his visit to China this week, that “India and China have historical issues and there are areas of concern.”

Among the historical issues Singh was referring to are the three major military incidents between China and India: the Sino-Indian War of 1962, the 1967 Chola Incident, and a 1987 skirmish. In 2013, the two came close to adding a fourth to this list when a PLA platoon was found to have set up camp 30 km south of Daulat Beg Oldi, in Ladakh, near Aksai Chin. Aksai Chin is perceived by India as an inextricable part of Jammu and Kashmir, and by China as a strategically vital bridge between Xinjiang and Tibet.

China and India had signed agreements in the 1990s to establish a modus vivendi on the border in the form of the Line of Actual Control (LoAC). The 1993 agreement included a statement that "No activities of either side shall overstep the line of actual control.” Since then, India has claimed that Chinese troops have conducted several hundred illegal patrols south of the LoAC every year, but because the PLA troops have always eventually withdrawn to the Chinese side of the LoAC, a major bilateral crisis has been averted.

Singh also referenced the incident from April of this year when he mentioned the “areas of concern” between India and China. India’s defeat at the hands of China in 1962 remains a painful memory for many strategic thinkers in India, and the April 2013 incident played out in a way that poured salt into old wounds.

This was particularly true given that the Indian Army has long viewed Daulat Beg Oldi, which is located at the nexus of Indian Ladakh and Uyghuristan, as a strategically important piece of territory. Therefore, when the Indo-Tibetan Border Police discovered the Chinese platoon camp there in mid-April, the Indian government perceived it as a very serious violation of the LoAC.

India attempted to avoid escalation by instructing the army to practice absolute restraint in approaching the Chinese platoon. Consequentially, no weapons were discharged and India attempted to negotiate China’s withdrawal diplomatically. Over the three weeks, however, China reportedly increased its military presence in Aksai Chin in order to intimidate Delhi.

When asked by India Today if Delhi’s response to the Chinese incursion was too timid, Indian External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid responded: "The response should not be seen as timid or robust or whether it is proportional. This (incursion) is adverse to our interests. The fact that they happen to be where we don't want them to be is established. We don't wish them to be there.”

Ultimately, despite his best diplomatic efforts, Khurshid was unable to merely “wish” the Chinese away. The Chinese platoon withdrew only when the Indian government acquiesced to Chinese demands to destroy live in bunkers in the Chumar sector. Throughout the entire incident China denied India’s charge that the PLA had camped out in “India proper” as delineated by the LoAC; it maintained that it had never crossed into Indian territory.

This week Singh will visit China for what is almost certain to be his last time as India’s prime minister. While there he will meet with Chinese Premier Li Keqiang, dine with Xi Jinping, and is expected to sign a draft border cooperation agreement. The Indian media are heralding Singh’s upcoming visit as a triumphant meeting between the leaders of two equally strong states, noting that Xi Jinping’s dinner invitation is "a rare honor for an Indian leader.”

But the border cooperation agreement is unlikely to be a panacea for India-China border disputes. Brahma Chellaney, an Indian analyst, has argued that the agreement will be a major strategic victory for China as India "in the manner of a vanquished nation, merely offered its comments and suggestions on the Chinese-imposed draft and sent its national security adviser and defense minister in rapid succession to Beijing to commit itself [to the draft].”

Singh’s travels to China are unlikely to repair the damage done to India’s interests in Ladakh this past April. If anything, India’s next government would be wise to study the April 2013 episode as a lesson in coercive diplomacy.

India Caves to China on Border Dispute | The Pulse | The Diplomat
 
India is utterly powerless to do anything to stop us. We know it and they know it. We could invade into New Delhi and Indian troops will do nothing because the Indians are petrified about the PLA. Old wounds are hard to heal. We opened some old wounds earlier this year.

We control this relationship.

India cannot sneeze until we tell them they can.
 
India is utterly powerless to do anything to stop us. We know it and they know it. We could invade into New Delhi and Indian troops will do nothing because the Indians are petrified about the PLA. Old wounds are hard to heal. We opened some old wounds earlier this year.

We control this relationship.

India cannot sneeze until we tell them they can.

Indians are not scared of Chinese. Indians believe that they are a superpower with lots of white servants.
 
Wait till 2014 and then see the changes in our Foreign Policy
 
The Diplomat?

It is a store of trash。
 
Ha Ha, Chinese jumping up-down up-down on a small incident :bounce::bounce: what did you gain?

Adversary India is not in Chinese interest and this is exactly what you are doing

Don't make a fool out of yourself :no:

Watcha gonna do about it Indian?

Face it, your helpless.
 
The tin sheds (Chinese call them bunkers :coffee:) were erected after chinese incursions and when Indians and Chinese reached agreement they were dismantled. These structures were erected only after april 15th which is a date after incursion.
 
I love how the PLA and CPC embarrasses the Indians :lol:

India is like our little slapping boy. Our piñata.

It feels good to invade a country like a boss knowing they are too scared to attack us.
That's power!
 


Naturally I was curious as to what " caving in" had taken place now. and when you read the article - there is none but some old reference to some months ago sheds being destroyed which was disputed.


 
Chinese jumping and downs like monkey just on reading provocative Title. :rofl:


What did you gain on grounds actually ??
 
I love how the PLA and CPC embarrasses the Indians :lol:

India is like our little slapping boy. Our piñata.

It feels good to invade a country like a boss knowing they are too scared to attack us.
That's power!

Forgot Chola Incident when you were kicked out in 1967.:omghaha:

Date 1 October — 10 October 1967
Location Chola, Sikkim
Result Indian victory

The 1967 Sino-Indian skirmish also known as the Chola incident, was a military conflict between Indian troops and members of the Chinese People's Liberation Army in Sikkim, who had infiltrated the area on 1 October. On 10 October, once again both sides had the conflict, the Defence Minister of India, Sardar Swaran Singh addressed that government is looking after the developments across the borders. During whole conflict Indian losses were 88 killed, and 163 wounded, while Chinese casualties were 300 killed and 450 wounded in Nathula, and 40 in Chola. The end of the battle saw the People's Liberation Army retreat from Sikkim.:butcher:

Chola incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Forgot Chola Incident when youn were kicked out in 1967.

Date 1 October — 10 October 1967
Location Chola, Sikkim
Result Indian victory

The 1967 Sino-Indian skirmish also known as the Chola incident, was a military conflict between Indian troops and members of the Chinese People's Liberation Army in Sikkim, who had infiltrated the area on 1 October. On 10 October, once again both sides had the conflict, the Defence Minister of India, Sardar Swaran Singh addressed that government is looking after the developments across the borders. During whole conflict Indian losses were 88 killed, and 163 wounded, while Chinese casualties were 300 killed and 450 wounded in Nathula, and 40 in Chola.[4] The end of the battle saw the People's Liberation Army retreat from Sikkim.

Chola incident-Wikipedia.(Chola incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

We killed over 3000 Indian soldiers in 1967. We lost like 187 soldiers.
 


Naturally I was curious as to what " caving in" had taken place now. and when you read the article - there is none but some old reference to some months ago sheds being destroyed which was disputed.





They and that Indian columist Ankit Panda are calling this new border agreement signed just hour ago a cave in. :rofl:

Have agreed as follows:

Article I

The two sides shall carry out border defence cooperation on the basis of their respective laws and relevant bilateral agreements.

Article II

The two sides shall implement border defence cooperation in the following ways:

1. Exchange information-including information about military exercises, aircrafts, demolition operations and unmarked mines-and take consequent measures conducive to the maintenance of peace, stability and tranquility along the line of actual control in the India-China border areas,
2. Jointly combat smuggling of arms, wildlife, wildlife articles and other contrabands,
3. Assist the other side in locating personnel, livestock, means of transport and aerial vehicles that may have crossed or are possibly in the process of crossing the line of actual control in the India-China border areas,
4. Work with the other side in combating natural disasters or infectious diseases that may affect or spread to the other side,
5. Any other way mutually agreed upon by the two sides.

Article III

Border deference cooperation visualized in this agreement shall be implemented through the following mechanisms:

1. Flag meetings or border personnel meetings at designated places along the line of actual control in the India-China border areas.
2. Periodic meetings between officers of the relevant Military Regions of China and Army Commands of India and between departments responsible for military operations.
3. Periodic meetings of the representatives of the Ministry of Defence of the Government of India and the Ministry of National Defence of the People’s Republic of China.
4. Meetings of the Working Mechanism for Consultation and Coordination on India-China Border Affairs.
5. Meetings of the India-China Annual Defence Dialogue.

Article IV

In implementing border defence cooperation and to facilitate contacts and meetings between relevant organizations, the two sides may establish Border Personnel Meeting sites in all sectors, as well as telephone contacts and telecommunication links at mutually agreed locations along the line of actual control. The two sides may also consider establishing a Hotline between the military headquarters of the two countries. Specific arrangements shall be decided upon through mutual consultations between the two sides.

Article V

In order to enhance understanding and cooperation between the border defence forces of the two sides, each side may invite the other side for joint celebrations on major national or military days or festivals and organize cultural activities, non-contact sports events and small scale tactical exercises along the line of actual control in the India-China border areas. In addition, the two sides may also conduct joint military training exercises, at Army level, in each other’s country on a regular basis. The theme of such joint exercises will be decided through mutual consultations.

Article VI

The two sides agree that they shall not follow or tail patrols of the other side in areas where there is no common understanding of the line of actual control in the India-China border areas.

Article VII

In case a doubtful situation arises with reference to any activity by either side in border areas where there is no common understanding of the line of actual control, either side has the right to seek a clarification from the other side. In such cases, the clarification shall be sought and replies to them shall be conveyed through any of the mechanisms established under Article III of this Agreement.

Article VIII

The two sides agree that if the border defence forces of the two sides come to a face-to-face situation in areas where there is no common understanding of the line of actual control, both sides shall exercise maximum self-restraint, refrain from any provocative actions, not use force or threaten to use force against the other side, treat each other with courtesy and prevent exchange of fire or armed conflict.

Article IX

The two sides shall implement this Agreement without prejudice to their respective positions on the alignment of the line of actual control as well as on the boundary question.

Article X

This Agreement shall come into force on the date of its signature. It may be revised, amended or terminated with the consent of the two sides. Any revision or amendment, mutually agreed by the two sides, shall form an integral part of this Agreement.

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