India can replace China’s manufacturing by 'daydreaming': Chinese media

[dreamer11]

Even if we achieve 20-40% target that is great success and that is inevitable.

 

[rent4country]

How do we know? Don't we have dumb dumb's like you who make livings out of slandering China? Tell us, how "frequently" are riots happening in our country and where are they happening? Come on, don't be shy. You know where our secret concentration camps are, and you know how Huawei built spy software in their 5G machines, you got to know riots that happen right on the streets, right?

You know what else we know? We know you're a stupid Indian false flagger. Even you are ashamed of your own country, imagine how sh!tty that country is

Hit a nerve, I see. Why are you upset with us when you are the one who is born into servitude, you are the one who is treated like a dispensable commodity by your own government, told from the cradle to the grave how you should act/behave/what to read/write/say and believe. That's the ultimate confirmation of how dumb your CCP thinks its citizenry is to have them in servitude in that manner.

We know much of this stuff because, unlike you, born into servitude and life of brainwashing, we get access to real investigations, leaks, and credible investigations outside of the great wall. If millions in your country get picked up, kidnapped, put in re-education camp without any due process. If the act of any half-way serious verbal dissent sees people vanish. We know that there must be several riots in high genocide areas, too (like Tibet, Xinjiang province, etc.). Then there are state-sponsored riots like the ones against the Japanese and Taiwanese factories.

Let's not pretend you being treated like sheeple by the CCP is the world's fault, or that reputation precedes itself because of a conspiracy. I estimate you have riots in some form every day in some part of the country, those include the elderly.

Btw, I noticed you don't claim HK and Taiwan riots, must be because they are not part of China

500,000 elderly people go missing in China every year

More than 1,300 elderly people go missing in China every day -- 500,000 per year, a new report claims.

www.cnn.com

 

[jamahir]

Very wrong report. There are and have been such workers riots everywhere in the world , including in China, Vietnam/other developing countries and even some developed countries. So such a riot doesn't means we should make a generalisation over a nation/race etc. Article is full of bullshit.

Moroever workers are right to fight for their rights. These greedy corporations are notorious for maltreating and exploiting their workers and sometimes even refusing to pay them the peanuts they demand, even though they are making hundreds of billions of dollars every year. So I'm with Indian workers on this one. People forget that for workers to riots to this point , it means that they have tried everything they could to reason with their employers invane. For them to riot to this extent shows that they had passed the stage of frustration. We saw this with workers in China working for these big corporations in the past as well. These greedy cooperations are notorious for their greed to maximize profits and exploit their workers to the fullest.

I agree with your post though these workers should have become better organized and then made demands. I will point out that these workers did not have an employee union system which is present in most traditional Indian work sectors.

But sadly, the modern Indian work sector of IT / ITES industry does not have employee union system. In fact the Indian governments colluded with the managements of huge IT / ITES companies like Infosys, TCS etc to discourage employees from forming unions and tragically most of the employees were fools who were selfish, not concerned with their brother worker's welfare and did not have the foresight to form unions or have sympathies with left-wing activism elsewhere in India or the world.

Result examples, in 2014 IBM-India suddenly removed thousands of workers who were told by managers to leave their company-given laptops and leave the office immediately. Many left crying. Funny thing, IBM-USA, the parent, has employee union but IBM-India doesn't. In another case, later in 2014 TCS removed 35,000 employees suddenly and again they hadn't formed employee union to bring justice to the employees.

Labor laws don't apply to India's IT / ITES industry, mainly because the workers haven't organized. And it is no surprise that many or most of these non-left-wing-sympathetic IT / ITES workers are right-wing trolls who actively support the RSS and Modi's Hindutvadi system. It is no surprise that these workers when they are deputed to Western countries or get independently employed in Western countries carry their inhumane Hindutvadi thought and discriminate against fellow Indian, Lower Caste Dalit Hindus.

Lastly, towards the end of my employment in a ITES company here in 2014 I was in the process of setting up an employee union but foolishly resigned from the job. It would have been the first employee union in an Indian ITES company and I had ambitions of encouraging employees in the company's nearby branch to join the union and then encourage their acquaintances in other IT / ITES companies in the city and other parts of India to set up unions.

 

[Beast]

Hit a nerve, I see. Why are you upset with us when you are the one who is born into servitude, you are the one who is treated like a dispensable commodity by your own government, told from the cradle to the grave how you should act/behave/what to read/write/say and believe. That's the ultimate confirmation of how dumb your CCP thinks its citizenry is to have them in servitude in that manner.

We know much of this stuff because, unlike you, born into servitude and life of brainwashing, we get access to real investigations, leaks, and credible investigations outside of the great wall. If millions in your country get picked up, kidnapped, put in re-education camp without any due process. If the act of any half-way serious verbal dissent sees people vanish. We know that there must be several riots in high genocide areas, too (like Tibet, Xinjiang province, etc.). Then there are state-sponsored riots like the ones against the Japanese and Taiwanese factories.

Let's not pretend you being treated like sheeple by the CCP is the world's fault, or that reputation precedes itself because of a conspiracy. I estimate you have riots in some form every day in some part of the country, those include the elderly.

Btw, I noticed you don't claim HK and Taiwan riots, must be because they are not part of China

500,000 elderly people go missing in China every year

More than 1,300 elderly people go missing in China every day -- 500,000 per year, a new report claims.

www.cnn.com

LOL... CNN as source? Try harder.

 

[rent4country]

LOL... CNN as source? Try harder.

Do you think your state tabloid-funded media like global times is where we should go for credibility?

You've used CNN in the past when they posted something good about china. Besides, since the CCP has its citizens in servitude from the cradle to the grave, by telling you what to say/believe/watch/read/say and act, there is never any media outside of the brainwashing centers of the CCP that you will ever find as credible.

5 Ways China Is More Repressive Under President Xi Jinping

A new U.S. government report documents a broad corrosion of freedoms

time.com

 

[Jackdaws]

Persecuted ? Why should the ancestors of those 100,000 have felt "persecuted" just because Mao's system wanted them to discard their traditional injustice-filled feudal structure and adopt a new, progressive belief ?

Most of those who crossed over to India were the support structure of the Tibetan traditional oppressive structure, just like the Taliban in Afganistan finds some support among Afghans and the Hindutvadi activists in India find support among many civilians.

If the Naxalites in India take some of the Maoist revolution as inspiration for bettering India what was the objection of those crossing-over Tibetan-Chinese followers of Dalai Lama to Maoist thought ? I don't agree to some things in the current Chinese governance and society but I don't think Mao was really such a persecutor that those Dalai Lama followers would have valid reasons to flee to India.

And the Naxalbari peasants in India were the ones persecuted by the feudal structure - the zamindars, so they did fight back. The zamindars neither were persecuted nor should they have had any valid reason to complain because they were the ones who were part of a traditional oppressive socio-economic structure that should have been abolished.

So the peasants of Naxalbari and their middle class leaders were right in their struggle whereas the India-based "Tibetan government-in-exile" and its military unit the SFF ( Special Frontier Force ) have no reason to exist. Tell me, do you as an Indian want the Indian bureaucracy / government want Tibet to turn back to its previous system of serfs being blinded or their limbs being cut, to speak of the more prominent human rights abuses ?

There we go -

It is disingenuous to believe that Tibet would have remained a serfdom.

Maybe you think the persecution of Tibetans, the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution are things to praise Mao for. It's certainly not my belief.

Again, do you have any proof that the 100,000 Chinese refugees in India are from the ruling elite of Tibetan region of China?

LOL... CNN as source? Try harder.

As opposed to? Global Times? Hahahha

 

[SBUS-CXK]

With big corporations across China failing like anything, the time is ripe for India to replace China

Like super power 2020 or 5 trillion economic target?

Look. There are many illusions in low IQ countries.

There we go -

It is disingenuous to believe that Tibet would have remained a serfdom.

Maybe you think the persecution of Tibetans, the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution are things to praise Mao for. It's certainly not my belief.

Again, do you have any proof that the 100,000 Chinese refugees in India are from the ruling elite of Tibetan region of China?

As opposed to? Global Times? Hahahha

But Tibet is more advanced than India in any aspect. and 1.4 billion india illiterates have toilets?

 

[SBUS-CXK]

One incident and CCP parrot media made prophecy, great. I am sure they are in for disappointment.

As disappointed with the super power 2020 and 5 trillion economic targets?

Sir, accept the fact that Bangladesh (LDC) is now more developed than India.

How do you know riots are not happening frequently in China? As a Chinese citizen, you are born in servitude to the CCP; they tell you what you need to hear/read/say/watch/act and behave from the cradle to the grave.

How on earth would you know anything about your country when they don't want you to know?

Ah. Now CIA agents begin to fantasize about our Chinese life. Understand you if you don't. The other CIA will kill you immediately. OK, for your life safety, for your mother. You can continue to write short stories.

Of course, if you want to get rid of the CIA's list of assassins. You can come to China and we will guarantee your safety. It's like Snowden.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Hit a nerve, I see. Why are you upset with us when you are the one who is born into servitude, you are the one who is treated like a dispensable commodity by your own government, told from the cradle to the grave how you should act/behave/what to read/write/say and believe. That's the ultimate confirmation of how dumb your CCP thinks its citizenry is to have them in servitude in that manner.

We know much of this stuff because, unlike you, born into servitude and life of brainwashing, we get access to real investigations, leaks, and credible investigations outside of the great wall. If millions in your country get picked up, kidnapped, put in re-education camp without any due process. If the act of any half-way serious verbal dissent sees people vanish. We know that there must be several riots in high genocide areas, too (like Tibet, Xinjiang province, etc.). Then there are state-sponsored riots like the ones against the Japanese and Taiwanese factories.

Let's not pretend you being treated like sheeple by the CCP is the world's fault, or that reputation precedes itself because of a conspiracy. I estimate you have riots in some form every day in some part of the country, those include the elderly.

Btw, I noticed you don't claim HK and Taiwan riots, must be because they are not part of China

500,000 elderly people go missing in China every year

More than 1,300 elderly people go missing in China every day -- 500,000 per year, a new report claims.

www.cnn.com

I have always been impressed by the ability of CIA agents to write small stories. But... China really has nuclear weapons.... This is different from Iraq.

Hey, little agent. Do you remember the washing powder?

Sympathize with you. Lie to protect your life.

 

[jamahir]

There we go -

Sorry but you should have put more thought before posting that vid. It has the same discredibility as one produced by Maneka Gandhi speaking without sense about the rights of dogs which is her fanatic worldview. This may not be a polite comparison but this was my immediate thought.

OK I will analyze the vid.

He starts of by speaking sadly of 1959 but doesn't mention the oppressive, unjust and human-rights-abusing system present in Tibet till then which was maintained by yes, the currently West-promoted current Dalai Lama and his supporters. Please again read that Telegraph article I quoted earlier.

This person then says that his "religious and political rights" were violated and his forefathers were punished by Mao's government. Well, his forefathers were propagating a wrong system for which they were duly punished.

And then he says "Communist Chinese evil". What is his objection to Communism and why does he find it evil ? I quote the google result for "Communism" :

Communism is a philosophical, social, political and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state. Wikipedia

Even at first glance how is this ideology evil and how were the early Communist Chinese evil in working on it ? How is he valid in resisting it ?

He then speaks of his torture at the hands of the Chinese authorities. Yes that was wrong, but does he speak of the torture chambers of Abu Ghraib in Iraq done by his American government patrons ? He has to be balanced, yes ?

He then speaks about how the Americans ( government ) and others ( other West and allied governments ) should "strive for religious freedom around the world". What about first asking the West to see how "religious freedom" has destroyed Afghanistan and India ? Can he ask the West to adopt Talibaniyat and Hindutvad into their societies if they are so keen on maintaining them in their place of origin ?

He then speaks about America and civil rights and basic human freedom. Within America itself people are homeless and without healthcare because they lack an artificial element - money. Others there have to live a life of wage slavery ( like multiple jobs ) just to survive ? Is all this not a violation of their civil rights and basic human freedom ? In late 2011 there began in America ( and then in rest of the Anglo countries ) the Occupy Movement which was called by the people to begin a system of progressive socio-economic change and end capitalist oppression to a large extent. And this movement was suppressed by the government. Why ? Was this not a violation of the civil rights and human freedom of those protesters ? And will the massive military-industrial complex of America and its political dictatorial protectors make America to stop spending massively on its world-invading military and actually begin spending those monies on American citizens ?

Then there is text about "Tibetan deaths due to Chinese oppression" being from 200,000 to 1.2 million. Really ? Is this the American government saying this shamelessly ? In the Western invasion of North Korea in the Korean War beginning in 1950, under so-called UNO banner, before this Tibetan drama, up to 1.5 million North Koreans died through bombing and other things by the Western bloc which sadly included Indian forces. Then between 1965 and 1966 up to a million, some say two million, communist members and sympathizers in Indonesia were genocided by America's boy in Indonesia, Suharto, his mullah minions and the right-wing among the military and police. We can mention about other genocides and war crimes through Western interventions in other places like Iraq, Libya, 80s Afghanistan and Syria. Does this Tibetan rebel monk ask all this from his American government patrons ?

Then he speaks how preventing a person from believing and practicing in his religious beliefs will harm his well-being. I am not an enemy of people who believe in God but this monk is not the type to be sympathetic to, unless he revisits his position. Should we be concerned about the well-being of some avowed Talibani or in India about Sadhvi Pragya and GD Bakshi ? These are anti-human criminals.

Lastly, the vid was produced by "share.america.gov". Is this really a source we can call credible ?

It is disingenuous to believe that Tibet would have remained a serfdom.

So are the "Tibetan government-in-exile" and the Special Frontier Force calling for establishing a progressive, true socialist welfare state in Tibet ?

If not what is their objective ?

Maybe you think the persecution of Tibetans, the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution are things to praise Mao for. It's certainly not my belief.

Again you use the words "persecution of Tibetans". In more than one post I have showed you that Mao's forces were acting against preservers of an anti-human, human-rights-abuses-filled system. Is the Chinese government, however away it has come from Communism, doing a genocide in Tibet currently like how the West and allies did against the North Koreans between 1950 and 1953 ?

Surely there is something good in Mao that he inspired revolutionaries in India, Sri Lanka and other places.

Again, do you have any proof that the 100,000 Chinese refugees in India are from the ruling elite of Tibetan region of China?

Yaar, please, you are repeating. Go back to my text above the SFF etc.

These 100,000 refugees should rethink and seek to go back to China and contribute to enabling a socialist, actually spiritual, socio-economic system in Tibet.

Hey, little agent. Do you remember the washing powder?

Washing powder.

 

[nahtanbob]

We don't have to check, we lived through it, there was no Tiananmen massacre, there were some casualties from both PLA and civilians , but none happened in Tiananmen square, the crap that the western media feeds you everyday.

Lol, if Chinese employers paid the chicken feed that Indian employers pay Indian workers, there could be riots everyday.

no amount of ranting from Chinese friends will prevent outflow of manufacturing jobs from China
the world is going to rebalance China's power by taking some of the business out of China

 

[Jackdaws]

Sorry but you should have put more thought before posting that vid. It has the same discredibility as one produced by Maneka Gandhi speaking without sense about the rights of dogs which is her fanatic worldview. This may not be a polite comparison but this was my immediate thought.

OK I will analyze the vid.

He starts of by speaking sadly of 1959 but doesn't mention the oppressive, unjust and human-rights-abusing system present in Tibet till then which was maintained by yes, the currently West-promoted current Dalai Lama and his supporters. Please again read that Telegraph article I quoted earlier.

This person then says that his "religious and political rights" were violated and his forefathers were punished by Mao's government. Well, his forefathers were propagating a wrong system for which they were duly punished.

And then he says "Communist Chinese evil". What is his objection to Communism and why does he find it evil ? I quote the google result for "Communism" :

Even at first glance how is this ideology evil and how were the early Communist Chinese evil in working on it ? How is he valid in resisting it ?

He then speaks of his torture at the hands of the Chinese authorities. Yes that was wrong, but does he speak of the torture chambers of Abu Ghraib in Iraq done by his American government patrons ? He has to be balanced, yes ?

He then speaks about how the Americans ( government ) and others ( other West and allied governments ) should "strive for religious freedom around the world". What about first asking the West to see how "religious freedom" has destroyed Afghanistan and India ? Can he ask the West to adopt Talibaniyat and Hindutvad into their societies if they are so keen on maintaining them in their place of origin ?

He then speaks about America and civil rights and basic human freedom. Within America itself people are homeless and without healthcare because they lack an artificial element - money. Others there have to live a life of wage slavery ( like multiple jobs ) just to survive ? Is all this not a violation of their civil rights and basic human freedom ? In late 2011 there began in America ( and then in rest of the Anglo countries ) the Occupy Movement which was called by the people to begin a system of progressive socio-economic change and end capitalist oppression to a large extent. And this movement was suppressed by the government. Why ? Was this not a violation of the civil rights and human freedom of those protesters ? And will the massive military-industrial complex of America and its political dictatorial protectors make America to stop spending massively on its world-invading military and actually begin spending those monies on American citizens ?

Then there is text about "Tibetan deaths due to Chinese oppression" being from 200,000 to 1.2 million. Really ? Is this the American government saying this shamelessly ? In the Western invasion of North Korea in the Korean War beginning in 1950, under so-called UNO banner, before this Tibetan drama, up to 1.5 million North Koreans died through bombing and other things by the Western bloc which sadly included Indian forces. Then between 1965 and 1966 up to a million, some say two million, communist members and sympathizers in Indonesia were genocided by America's boy in Indonesia, Suharto, his mullah minions and the right-wing among the military and police. We can mention about other genocides and war crimes through Western interventions in other places like Iraq, Libya, 80s Afghanistan and Syria. Does this Tibetan rebel monk ask all this from his American government patrons ?

Then he speaks how preventing a person from believing and practicing in his religious beliefs will harm his well-being. I am not an enemy of people who believe in God but this monk is not the type to be sympathetic to, unless he revisits his position. Should we be concerned about the well-being of some avowed Talibani or in India about Sadhvi Pragya and GD Bakshi ? These are anti-human criminals.

Lastly, the vid was produced by "share.america.gov". Is this really a source we can call credible ?



So are the "Tibetan government-in-exile" and the Special Frontier Force calling for establishing a progressive, true socialist welfare state in Tibet ?

If not what is their objective ?



Again you use the words "persecution of Tibetans". In more than one post I have showed you that Mao's forces were acting against preservers of an anti-human, human-rights-abuses-filled system. Is the Chinese government, however away it has come from Communism, doing a genocide in Tibet currently like how the West and allies did against the North Koreans between 1950 and 1953 ?

Surely there is something good in Mao that he inspired revolutionaries in India, Sri Lanka and other places.



Yaar, please, you are repeating. Go back to my text above the SFF etc.

These 100,000 refugees should rethink and seek to go back to China and contribute to enabling a socialist, actually spiritual, socio-economic system in Tibet.



Washing powder.

Did he say Communism or Chinese Communism?

 

[jamahir]

Did he say Communism or Chinese Communism?

"Chinese Communist evil".

I don't think he has any sympathy for Communism. You can see that in the vid yourself again and in my analysis of it.

 

[Jackdaws]

"Chinese Communist evil".

I don't think he has any sympathy for Communism. You can see that in the vid yourself again and in my analysis of it.

You are free to justify the Chinese version of communism and the destruction of Tibetan culture and the persecution of its people as some kind Chinese magnanimity. I don't agree. Magnanimity would not have resulted in 100,000 Chinese refugees in India.

 

[rent4country]

I have always been impressed by the ability of CIA agents to write small stories. But... China really has nuclear weapons... This is different from Iraq.

Hey, little agent. Do you remember the washing powder?
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Sympathize with you. Lie to protect your life.

Stop using google translator. It's terrible to use in a long format discussion_ unless you intended to bring a low-quality, low IQ post about a nuclear threat by quoting me.