IN PAKISTAN, WHO IS KILLING WHOM

[Sipahi]

land did not have religion till some bigots came along.


land did not have religion till some bigots came along.

bigots = India ??

 

[Winchester]

spare me for my bad English and very very bad presentation.


Well, from previous 2-3 year's news of murdering an "Ahmadi" come in media with 2-3 weeks interval. For which some member here, International media and communities, Human rights organizations blame Pakistani Muslims's intolerance, Pakistani Government Policies, and Pakistani constitution (for declaring Ahmadi's non-Muslims ).

But i will not discuss here either Ahmadi's are Muslims or not. Because i don't have privilege and authority to do so. So i will only discuss there murder's here.

Now the question is , How many People killed in Pakistan Annually. As per this report in 2012 alone, 13000 i.e; Thirteen thousand plus Pakistani's have been murdered. it include all type of murder's i.e; religious, honor killing, etc.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/694501/homicides-in-2012-pakistan-worst-in-south-asia/

Unable to Find link but as per 2014-15 this number is 9000 i.e; Nine Thousand Plus. So it mean's on the average 10,000 Pakistani's murdered Annually.

So i searched about how many of them are Ahmadi's . And found that as per report by the name of "Persecution of ahmadi's in Pakistan" which published in 2009 , only 9 Ahmadi's have been killed in Pakistan. (in one year )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Ahmadis

let's forget about 2009 as it Passed 7 years ago. What you think would be the monthly number of Ahmadi's being murdered ? Are you Ok with 5 ? Ok. let's keep it 5.

So 5 ahmadi's being killed in Pakistan per month. which Annually make it 60. so let's calculate the percentage of an Ahmadi's murder.

(60 x 100) / 10,000 = 0.6 .................. which mean's in every 100 people murdered in Pakistan. 0.6 are Ahmadi's. How much it make it for a single Ahmadi being killed ? 140 murders ?

What about those other 99.4 Percent Peoples who are also innocent Pakistani's being murdered ? Who will talk for there rights ? Which "maii ka laal" channel and media forum will rise voice for them ? None... because they are not breaking news. there murder is a normal thing.

So my request to all member's , Ahmadi's , Non-Ahmadi's that please keep in mind the security situations of Pakistan before bashing Pakistani society for being intolerant and accusing them for murdering Ahmadi's.

Yesterday the Famous Qawal, Amjad Sabri killed in Karachi. why ? he was an Ahmadi ? No. then why they killed him ? ........... i don't know. may be you know.

So the Answer is , that Anti-Pakistan elements are killing minorities to create disturbance in society and security situation as well as hurt the image of Pakistan.

I would like to know from you guyz that what exactly you thing about this issue ?

My request to all member's here , is that please don't turn it into Pro-Ahmadi Anti-Ahmadi thread neither turn it into the constitutional identity of Ahmadi's . They are Pakistani's Like us. they are Patriotic like us. They are human Like us. so let's keep it that way.



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Lets leave those Ahmedis aside for a second


The question is who is doing the killing???

From APS to parade lane mosque to countlees shia mosques to the mazaraat of Data Saheb, Bari Imam, Abdullah Shah Ghazi being targetted


Primarily three groups TTP-LEJ-SSP and their affiliates are responsible for these crimes

Now which school of taught TTP-SSP-LEJ belong to??

Why is that this school of thought even though is a minority within mainstream Sunni Islam is responsible for 95% of terrorism within this country???

Here is a sneak peak on who is backing these groups !

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pakistan-militants-idUSBRE89N00W20121024
"After a meal of chicken, curry and spinach, Ludhianvi and his aides stood up to warmly welcome a visitor: Saudi Arabia-based cleric Malik Abdul Haq al-Meqqi.

A Pakistani cleric knowledgeable about Sunni groups described Meqqi as a middleman between Saudi donors and intelligence agencies and the LeJ, the SSP and other groups."

 

[Genghis khan1]

 

[Mrc]

Out of 60000 that died in war on terror....less than 60 are qadiyani...

There is no organised persecution of qadiyanis in pakistan...

There has been isolated incidences of violence now and again....and there has been also repeated provocations by parts of qadiyani religious group as well especially viz via blasphemy law....

During the post 9/11 surge in violence...qadiyanis has been a religious group which has been least affected....with less than 100 casualuties in past 15 years...

Calling this persecution is AN INSULT to word persecution and all the groups persecuted throughout the history and a balatant lie....from well know liars.....

 

[RealNapster]

Lets leave those Ahmedis aside for a second


The question is who is doing the killing???

From APS to parade lane mosque to countlees shia mosques to the mazaraat of Data Saheb, Bari Imam, Abdullah Shah Ghazi being targetted


Primarily three groups TTP-LEJ-SSP and their affiliates are responsible for these crimes

Now which school of taught TTP-SSP-LEJ belong to??

Why is that this school of thought even though is a minority within mainstream Sunni Islam is responsible for 95% of terrorism within this country???

Here is a sneak peak on who is backing these groups !

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pakistan-militants-idUSBRE89N00W20121024
"After a meal of chicken, curry and spinach, Ludhianvi and his aides stood up to warmly welcome a visitor: Saudi Arabia-based cleric Malik Abdul Haq al-Meqqi.

A Pakistani cleric knowledgeable about Sunni groups described Meqqi as a middleman between Saudi donors and intelligence agencies and the LeJ, the SSP and other groups."

Lekin Ab ye baat inko kon Samjaaye....

 

[Salik]

Yes sir. sometime's i really feel proud. that if that many people/organizations, countries want us to fail. it mean's we "ARE" something.

It is just survival of the fittest. You will have to prove that you can survive. Otherwise you'll vanish like Mohenjo Daro and people will be making movies on you.

 

[RealNapster]

It is just survival of the fittest. You will have to prove that you can survive. Otherwise you'll vanish like Mohenjo Daro and people will be making movies on you.

LoL... that's true !!

 

[Major d1]

Cut the HEAD of the SNAKE (US) . Govt. of Pakistan should realize that US is just using them in a condition. WAr on Terrorism by the name of terrorism, They F2F muslims VS muslims. People should realize the ugly truth.

 

[risingsinga]

Me, personally? You're going to have to be more specific.

Otherwise, it's slander on your part. And slander that is meant to incite or justify mass-murder is a crime against humanity. That's what Nazi publisher Streicher was executed for after WWII.

A lot of respect to Mr Streicher, a great man, rest in peace.

 

[Solomon2]

A lot of respect to Mr Streicher, a great man, rest in peace.

What was "great" about him, exactly?


...For his twenty-five years of speaking, writing, and preaching hatred of the Jews, Streicher was widely known as " Jew-Baiter Number One." In his speeches and articles, week after week, month after month, he infected the German mind with the virus of anti-Semitism. and incited the German people to active persecution. Each issue of " Der Sturmer", which reached a circulation of 600,000 in 1935, was filled with such articles, often lewd and disgusting.

Streicher had charge of the Jewish boycott of 1st April, 1933. He advocated the Nuremberg Decrees of 1935. He was responsible for the demolition on 10th August, 1938, of the Synagogue in Nuremberg. And on 10th November, 1938, he spoke publicly in support of the Jewish pogrom which was taking place at that time.

But it was not only in Germany that this defendant advocated his doctrines. As early as 1938 he began to call for the annihilation of the Jewish race. Twenty-three different articles of " Der Sturmer " between 1938 and 1941 were produced in evidence, in which the extermination " root and "branch" was preached. Typical of his teachings was a leading article in September, 1938, which termed the Jew a germ and a pest, not a human , being, but " a parasite, an enemy, an evil-doer, a disseminator of diseases who must be destroyed in the interest of mankind." Other articles urged that only when world Jewry had been annihilated would the Jewish I problem have been solved, and predicted that fifty years hence the Jewish graves " will proclaim that this people of murderers and criminals has after all met its deserved fate." Streicher, in February, 1940, published a letter from one of " Der Sturmer's " readers which compared Jews with swarms of locusts which must be exterminated completely" Such was the poison Streicher injected into the minds of thousands of Germans which caused them to follow the National Socialists policy of Jewish persecution and extermination. A leading article of "Der Sturmer" in May, 1939, shows clearly his aim:

" A punitive expedition must come against the Jews in Russia. A punitive expedition which will provide the same fate for them that every murderer and criminal must expect. Death sentence and execution. The Jews in Russia must be killed. They must be exterminated root and branch."
As the war in the early stages proved successful acquiring more territory for the Reich, Streicher even intensified his efforts to incite the Germans against the Jews. In the record are twenty-six articles from 'Der Sturmer ", published between August, 1941 and September, 1944, twelve by Streicher's own hand, which demanded annihilation and extermination in unequivocal terms. He wrote and published on 25th December, 1941:

" If the danger of the reproduction of that curse of God in the Jewish blood is to finally come to an end, then there is only one way-the extermination of that people whose father is the devil."
And in February, 1944, his own article stated:

" Whoever does what a Jew does is a scoundrel, a criminal. And he who repeats and wishes to copy him deserves the same fate, annihilation, death."

With knowledge of the extermination of the Jews in the Occupied Eastern Territory, this defendant continued to write and publish his propaganda of death. Testifying in this trial, he vehemently denied any knowledge of mass executions of Jews. But the evidence makes it clear that he continually received current information on the progress of the "final solution ". His press photographer was sent to visit the ghettos of the East in the Spring of 1943, the time of the destruction of the Warsaw Ghetto. The Jewish newspaper, " Israelitisches Wochenblatt", which Streicher received and read, carried in each issue accounts of Jewish atrocities in the East, and gave figures on the number of Jews who had been deported and killed. For example, issues appearing in the summer and fall of 1942 reported the death of 72,729 Jews in Warsaw, 17,542 in Lodz, 18,000 in Croatia, 125,000 in Rumania, 14,000 in Latvia, 85,000 in Yugoslavia, 700,000 in all of Poland. In November, 1943, Streicher quoted verbatim an article from the " Israelitisches Wochenblatt " which stated that the Jews had virtually disappeared from Europe, and commented " This is not a Jewish lie." In December, 1942, referring to an article in the "London Times " about the atrocities, aiming at extermination, Streicher said that Hitler had given warning that the second World War would lead to the destruction of Jewry. In January, 1943, he wrote and published an article which said that Hitler's prophecy was being fulfilled, that world Jewry was being extirpated, and that it was wonderful to know that Hitler was freeing the world of its Jewish tormentors.

In the face of the evidence before the Tribunal it is idle for Streicher to suggest that the solution of the Jewish problem which he favoured was strictly limited to the classification of Jews as aliens, and the passing of discriminatory legislation such as the Nuremberg Laws, supplemented if possible by international agreement on the creation of a Jewish State somewhere in the world, to which all Jews should emigrate.

Streicher's incitement to murder and extermination at the time when Jews in the East were being killed under the most horrible conditions clearly constitutes persecution on political and racial grounds in connection with war crimes as defined by the Charter, and constitutes a crime against humanity.*

(* CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY: namely, murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, and other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, before or during the war; or persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds in execution of or in connection with any crime within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal, whether or not in violation of the domestic law of the country where perpetrated. Leaders, organizers, instigators and accomplices participating in the formulation or execution of a common plan or conspiracy to commit any of the foregoing crimes are responsible for all acts performed by any persons in execution of such plan.)

...Defendant Julius Streicher, on the count of the Indictment on which you have been convicted, The Tribunal sentences you to death by hanging.

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[risingsinga]

What was "great" about him, exactly?


...For his twenty-five years of speaking, writing, and preaching hatred of the Jews, Streicher was widely known as " Jew-Baiter Number One." In his speeches and articles, week after week, month after month, he infected the German mind with the virus of anti-Semitism. and incited the German people to active persecution. Each issue of " Der Sturmer", which reached a circulation of 600,000 in 1935, was filled with such articles, often lewd and disgusting.

Streicher had charge of the Jewish boycott of 1st April, 1933. He advocated the Nuremberg Decrees of 1935. He was responsible for the demolition on 10th August, 1938, of the Synagogue in Nuremberg. And on 10th November, 1938, he spoke publicly in support of the Jewish pogrom which was taking place at that time.

But it was not only in Germany that this defendant advocated his doctrines. As early as 1938 he began to call for the annihilation of the Jewish race. Twenty-three different articles of " Der Sturmer " between 1938 and 1941 were produced in evidence, in which the extermination " root and "branch" was preached. Typical of his teachings was a leading article in September, 1938, which termed the Jew a germ and a pest, not a human , being, but " a parasite, an enemy, an evil-doer, a disseminator of diseases who must be destroyed in the interest of mankind." Other articles urged that only when world Jewry had been annihilated would the Jewish I problem have been solved, and predicted that fifty years hence the Jewish graves " will proclaim that this people of murderers and criminals has after all met its deserved fate." Streicher, in February, 1940, published a letter from one of " Der Sturmer's " readers which compared Jews with swarms of locusts which must be exterminated completely" Such was the poison Streicher injected into the minds of thousands of Germans which caused them to follow the National Socialists policy of Jewish persecution and extermination. A leading article of "Der Sturmer" in May, 1939, shows clearly his aim:

" A punitive expedition must come against the Jews in Russia. A punitive expedition which will provide the same fate for them that every murderer and criminal must expect. Death sentence and execution. The Jews in Russia must be killed. They must be exterminated root and branch."
As the war in the early stages proved successful acquiring more territory for the Reich, Streicher even intensified his efforts to incite the Germans against the Jews. In the record are twenty-six articles from 'Der Sturmer ", published between August, 1941 and September, 1944, twelve by Streicher's own hand, which demanded annihilation and extermination in unequivocal terms. He wrote and published on 25th December, 1941:

" If the danger of the reproduction of that curse of God in the Jewish blood is to finally come to an end, then there is only one way-the extermination of that people whose father is the devil."
And in February, 1944, his own article stated:

" Whoever does what a Jew does is a scoundrel, a criminal. And he who repeats and wishes to copy him deserves the same fate, annihilation, death."

With knowledge of the extermination of the Jews in the Occupied Eastern Territory, this defendant continued to write and publish his propaganda of death. Testifying in this trial, he vehemently denied any knowledge of mass executions of Jews. But the evidence makes it clear that he continually received current information on the progress of the "final solution ". His press photographer was sent to visit the ghettos of the East in the Spring of 1943, the time of the destruction of the Warsaw Ghetto. The Jewish newspaper, " Israelitisches Wochenblatt", which Streicher received and read, carried in each issue accounts of Jewish atrocities in the East, and gave figures on the number of Jews who had been deported and killed. For example, issues appearing in the summer and fall of 1942 reported the death of 72,729 Jews in Warsaw, 17,542 in Lodz, 18,000 in Croatia, 125,000 in Rumania, 14,000 in Latvia, 85,000 in Yugoslavia, 700,000 in all of Poland. In November, 1943, Streicher quoted verbatim an article from the " Israelitisches Wochenblatt " which stated that the Jews had virtually disappeared from Europe, and commented " This is not a Jewish lie." In December, 1942, referring to an article in the "London Times " about the atrocities, aiming at extermination, Streicher said that Hitler had given warning that the second World War would lead to the destruction of Jewry. In January, 1943, he wrote and published an article which said that Hitler's prophecy was being fulfilled, that world Jewry was being extirpated, and that it was wonderful to know that Hitler was freeing the world of its Jewish tormentors.

In the face of the evidence before the Tribunal it is idle for Streicher to suggest that the solution of the Jewish problem which he favoured was strictly limited to the classification of Jews as aliens, and the passing of discriminatory legislation such as the Nuremberg Laws, supplemented if possible by international agreement on the creation of a Jewish State somewhere in the world, to which all Jews should emigrate.

Streicher's incitement to murder and extermination at the time when Jews in the East were being killed under the most horrible conditions clearly constitutes persecution on political and racial grounds in connection with war crimes as defined by the Charter, and constitutes a crime against humanity.*

(* CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY: namely, murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, and other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, before or during the war; or persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds in execution of or in connection with any crime within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal, whether or not in violation of the domestic law of the country where perpetrated. Leaders, organizers, instigators and accomplices participating in the formulation or execution of a common plan or conspiracy to commit any of the foregoing crimes are responsible for all acts performed by any persons in execution of such plan.)

...Defendant Julius Streicher, on the count of the Indictment on which you have been convicted, The Tribunal sentences you to death by hanging.

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The punishment was wrong since he just spoke the truth and everybody has the right of expression. As you know there was no such thing as holocaust...a well planned zionist propaganda but no evidence to back up.

 

[Solomon2]

The punishment was wrong since he just spoke the truth and everybody has the right of expression. As you know there was no such thing as holocaust...a well planned zionist propaganda but no evidence to back up.

One, freedom of expression does not extend to incitement to murder. Two, the evidence was presented at the trial. Three, the most prominent self-declared "Zionist" at the trial was...Striecher himself!

 

[Major d1]

If only happening for the US interference to the pk Govt. and Pk. Military involvement.

 

[Stag112]

A lot of respect to Mr Streicher, a great man, rest in peace.

@Oscar you were saying something about hateful bigots?

 

[SQ8]

@Oscar you were saying something about hateful bigots?

Again, your cynicism aside; If there is someone who supports a bigoted view, they will not be given an easy hand.
Neither will snide remarks.

The punishment was wrong since he just spoke the truth and everybody has the right of expression. As you know there was no such thing as holocaust...a well planned zionist propaganda but no evidence to back up.

So does every person with hate then and if you support him you are no differrent a bigot and hateful person; the result of this hatred was the holocaust and the result of tolerating similar hatred being spread by people in the US against Muslims will result in one for Muslims here. Would'nt you agree @Solomon2 ? People like Pamela Geller are just like Streicher?