In favor of Hindutva; by a Pakistani muslim

[fitpOsitive]

So I will say, dear neighbours, prove us wrong, and nothing can take you higher than breaking rules and testing common believes. Test it, document it. That's the way for new era.

I can understand Hindutva better than Hinduism, which is so complex that I cannot decipher it.

So lets call India a Hindutva India, better still a Hindutva Bharat, or just a 'Hindutva'...makes life easier for us and millions and millions of intrigued, perplexed people who are trying to figure it out.

It's about a fair chance for the people of India, and trust me, for the people of Pakistan as well.

 

[xeuss]

We sit around all day "dreaming" of "subjugating muslims and islam" because you are THAT important to us Our whole world revolves around you.

It does. Thank you for confirming.

 

[HalfMoon]

Well, I may sound crazy, but yes, I fully support the idea of constitution of a Hindu national country in our neighborhood.
At the time of partition, muslims were 24% of the total population, yet they demanded a separate country. My forefathers supported that idea, I also stick to it.
However, Hindus were 85 percent, and even today, they are 80% in India. And yet they are not allowed to declare India as a Hindu country.

My question is why not?

If USA can write : In god(christian god) we trust, why can't a Hindu do the same? If top leadership in USA and Germany and even in Russia today declares themselves Christians, Pakistan and Iran can use the name Islamic republic, why only Hindu is pushed to declare themselves as secular? Why can't Hindus also write Hindu republic or Sanatana Republic?

I kick this bigotry and superlative hypocrisy. In my humble opinion, Hindus reserve full right to declare India as Hindus Rashtra.

Individual thoughts please.
@Joe Shearer dont kill me for my thoughts, but I really think that Hindus are victim here.
@Nilgiri @pothead @Soumitra @jamahir

Yeah!

North Indian Bhayyas can have their own Hindutva country after giving others their own countries

1) Muslim Country of Kashmir & Kargil
2) Buddhist Countries of Ladakh, Sikkim & Arunachal
3) Parsi countries of Mumbai & Pune
4) Christian Country of Goa
5) Muslim Country of Deccan and Malabar
6) Christian Countries of Andhra & Tamilnadu
7) Muslim Countries of Bengal and Assam
8) Sikh Country of Punjab
9) Jain Country of Kutch and Marwar
10) Dalit Country of Chatisgarh, Odissa and Jharkhand
11) Christian Country of Meghalaya, Mizoram & Nagaland

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Yeah!

North Indian Bhayyas can have their own Hindutva country after giving others their own countries

1) Muslim Country of Kashmir & Kargil
2) Buddhist Countries of Ladakh, Sikkim & Arunachal
3) Parsi countries of Mumbai & Pune
4) Christian Country of Goa
5) Muslim Country of Deccan and Malabar
6) Christian Countries of Andhra & Tamilnadu
7) Muslim Countries of Bengal and Assam
8) Sikh Country of Punjab
9) Jain Country of Kutch and Marwar
10) Dalit Country of Chatisgarh, Odissa and Jharkhand
11) Christian Country of Meghalaya, Mizoram & Nagaland

So that leave UP, Gujarat, Rajhastan and few smaller states with a Hindutva country...fair enough.

You see prosperity and welfare of people en mass is important than it is about prosperity of the govt. Indian govt. is rich and people, in general are poor. So with new states coming, people will be prosperous and wealthy. The artificial construct will go away.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Yeah!

North Indian Bhayyas can have their own Hindutva country after giving others their own countries

1) Muslim Country of Kashmir & Kargil
2) Buddhist Countries of Ladakh, Sikkim & Arunachal
3) Parsi countries of Mumbai & Pune
4) Christian Country of Goa
5) Muslim Country of Deccan and Malabar
6) Christian Countries of Andhra & Tamilnadu
7) Muslim Countries of Bengal and Assam
8) Sikh Country of Punjab
9) Jain Country of Kutch and Marwar
10) Dalit Country of Chatisgarh, Odissa and Jharkhand
11) Christian Country of Meghalaya, Mizoram & Nagaland

Ok, if there a referendum conducted by Indian govt, and majority, decides for Hindu Rashtra, then will you still say that.
See, I also don't like few things about this hindutva concept, but I also don't like many others things.
My point is, in India there is great unrest due to this thing, and people should at least be given a fair chance to decide for themselves.

 

[xeuss]

So that leave UP, Gujarat, Rajhastan and few smaller states with a Hindutva country...fair enough.

You see prosperity and welfare of people en mass is important than it is about prosperity of the govt. Indian govt. is rich and people, in general are poor. So with new states coming, people will be prosperous and wealthy. The artificial construct will go away.

The only place for the Hindutvawadis is something similar to the Nuremberg trials.

Ok, if there a referendum conducted by Indian govt, and majority, decides for Hindu Rashtra, then will you still say that.
See, I also don't like few things about this hindutva concept, but I also don't like many others things.
My point is, in India there is great unrest due to this thing, and people should at least be given a fair chance to decide for themselves.

Why doesn't Pakistan give a fair chance to TTP and let them freely kill whoever they want.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

The only place for the Hindutvawadis is something similar to the Nuremberg trials.



Why doesn't Pakistan give a fair chance to TTP and let them freely kill whoever they want.

God forbid...that requires a genocide of epic proportion.

 

[Gadkari]

USA says "In God we Trust" ; not a Christian God. Any politician in India can declare his faith. And this stupidity Hindutva brigade will end sooner rather than later. 5-7 more years.

This is Funny because US was CREATED on the basis of the "Doctrine of Discovery" agreed by the Church under which ALL non-Christian lands could be colonized under the Doctrine of Discovery.

It was the underlying doctrine that empowered "Christians" to drive and kill the Native Americans because under this 'doctrine" they were mere squatters and the land rightly belonged to the Christians who "discovered" it

The entire American imperialism was premised on this doctorine.

The doctrine has been cited by the US Supreme Court as recently as 2005, in City of Sherrill, NY v. Oneida Nation: "Under the 'doctrine of discovery...' fee title [ownership] to the lands occupied by Indians when the colonists arrived became vested in the sovereign—first the discovering European nation and later the original states and the United States."


Its bit rich of them to now claim "god" is not christian

 

[fitpOsitive]

So that leave UP, Gujarat, Rajhastan and few smaller states with a Hindutva country...fair enough.

You see prosperity and welfare of people en mass is important than it is about prosperity of the govt. Indian govt. is rich and people, in general are poor. So with new states coming, people will be prosperous and wealthy. The artificial construct will go away.

The only place for the Hindutvawadis is something similar to the Nuremberg trials.



Why doesn't Pakistan give a fair chance to TTP and let them freely kill whoever they want.

See, we gave a fair chance to Jamatudawa and Jaish e Muhammad, because people wanted that. And why you think we succeeded against TTP? Because people complained against them in first place.

 

[Sharma Ji]

@xeuss

See what I mean?

what did you mean ?

theek to bola

I actually got confused when someone invited me over to their place once, name was officially Sushil R* let's say, but then he was clearly Christian.. which kind of took me by surprise but didn't matter any, so...

 

[King Julien]

You obviously have not been reading enough, or understand enough what exactly a Hindu Rashtra entails. You think it will be like any other republic in the world with just Hinduism as an official state religion.

If you carefully study Hindutva, it is nothing more than a demand to subjugate primarily Muslims and Islam. If you look at their manifestos, every agenda and policy is about Muslims and how to crush them. I find it ludicrous you are willingly endorsing such a call.

I don't know if you are mixing religious beliefs with "hindutva" but no scripture in Sanatan Dharma / Hinduism even mentions Islam/ Christianity or any other religion.. Hindutva as a political narrative is completely different and many Hindus don't necessarily subscribe to that.
This narrative being sold is in line with "identification" of Hindus in other religions.
Sanatan Dharma is not a Organised religion, religious practices differ every 50 km, we never had a head/headquarters as a religion.

 

[Gadkari]

It does. Thank you for confirming.

Wow. ...... you are clearly desperate for our attention.

Any ideas why ? I have my theories.

 

[Jackdaws]

This is Funny because US was CREATED on the basis of the "Doctrine of Discovery" agreed by the Church under which ALL non-Christian lands could be colonized under the Doctrine of Discovery.

It was the underlying doctrine that empowered "Christians" to drive and kill the Native Americans because under this 'doctrine" they were mere squatters and the land rightly belonged to the Christians who "discovered" it

The entire American imperialism was premised on this doctorine.

The doctrine has been cited by the US Supreme Court as recently as 2005, in City of Sherrill, NY v. Oneida Nation: "Under the 'doctrine of discovery...' fee title [ownership] to the lands occupied by Indians when the colonists arrived became vested in the sovereign—first the discovering European nation and later the original states and the United States."


Its bit rich of them to now claim "god" is not christian

That's another debate. But by and large the Americans have accepted that their Constitution is a living document which must be interpreted depending on contemporary society.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

It's about a fair chance for the people of India,

How Hindutva is giving a fair chance to Muslims of India, yes for the majority Hindus it will be fine.

and trust me, for the people of Pakistan as well.

And for the people of Pakistan too, how Hindutva is good.

Except for the fact that since it will be bad for India, so it can be called as good for Pakistan.

 

[fitpOsitive]

It is the duty of Hindu members here to inform others clearly, what is the vision of hindutva, and specifically what will be neighbours place in it.
There is a lot of speculation going on around that point. If you will not defined it here, it will be remained a confused and horrifying topic for many.
You guys can use this thread for defining hindutva for students like me here.

How Hindutva is giving a fair chance to Muslims of India, yes for the majority Hindus it will be fine.




And for the people of Pakistan too, how Hindutva is good.

Except for the fact that since it will be bad for India, so it can be called as good for Pakistan.

What I have learned from partition of India, and 1971, when majority of people of some area say something, it should be respected.
For example Pakistan. Did we kill all Hindus in Pakistan after?
Or all Muslims of India were killed? Or all non Bengalis were killed.
The only mass killing that took place was during the process. Because majority was denied.
So I will say, let them do that. Things will be improved in one way or the other.
And trust me, for Pakistan it will be an addition of great neighbors.