in a future conflict with india will pakistans lack of Naval assests cost it defeat?

[thrilainmanila]

I can see the army and air force holding the indian army and IAF off for a few months but the lack of proper navy will be something that will defeat us in the end. the navy doesn't have the right equipment to keep Indian navy at bay. The ships in current service seem like sitting ducks and the submarines we currently operate are outdated.

 

[tarrar]

It is true PN is not strong, but PN is trying to acquire the right ships, submarines & Navy hardware from China.

 

[Donatello]

For naval operations, all Pakistan need to do is have a potent submarine force to ambush any approaching Indian vessels. India cannot really approach the shores, since Pakistan will have the advantage of launching aircraft from land. Pakistan would need to keep IN at most 300 km from the shores to keep the supply lines open, and that is possible.

 

[Bhasad Singh Mundi]

 

[thrilainmanila]

For naval operations, all Pakistan need to do is have a potent submarine force to ambush any approaching Indian vessels. India cannot really approach the shores, since Pakistan will have the advantage of launching aircraft from land. Pakistan would need to keep IN at most 300 km from the shores to keep the supply lines open, and that is possible.

The airforce will be tied up supporting the pak army and defending there own assets the pak navy needs there own squadron of aircraft.

 

[he-man]

It will be defeated in any case scenario u can think of,,,sorry
But an all out war will never occur

 

[TimeToScoot]

Yawn.

 

[Windjammer]

It will be defeated in any case scenario u can think of,,,sorry
But an all out war will never occur

Not a chance, say hello to new kid on the block.

 

[Jobless Jack]

pak must have a more potent submarine fleet . i think in 1965 or 1971 (?) pns ghazi was enoguh to keep while IN at bay ? i dont think it will happen in future but it will buy pak enough time for ceasefire or keep open the supply lines. pak navy is simply too small to beat indian navy at sea. only ambushing tactics will be best for them to keep supply line open which should be their only objective.

 

[he-man]

sikha koi samajh nai amdi pei teri punjabi di,

Aaho jado tuhaadi kabaddi team pichle 20 saal to haar rai aa,,,taan samaj kyon aau tainu kuch wadde punjaabi soorme

 

[Windjammer]

Keep on dreaming
As u said kid in the block

We don't dream but take into account all possibilities unlike you talking tall and drawing conclusions and if you were any maturer, you would understand how term kid applies.

 

[he-man]

We don't dream but take into account all possibilities unlike you talking tall and drawing conclusions and if you were any maturer, you would understand how term kid applies.

Whatever man,,,am not looking for a fight.
If u think its good,then well i wish u luck

 

[Didact]

For naval operations, all Pakistan need to do is have a potent submarine force to ambush any approaching Indian vessels. India cannot really approach the shores, since Pakistan will have the advantage of launching aircraft from land. Pakistan would need to keep IN at most 300 km from the shores to keep the supply lines open, and that is possible.

It's so easy isn't it, just so easy for a Navy to impose sea denial. Well except it's not. Here's why:

Firstly, The range of any ground/ship based radar in detecting surface targets is severely limited by the curvature of the Earth. The maximum range at which a radar can detect a ship or any other vessel/structure on the surface is given by :

where D is in Km and both h are in Meters.

The mast of INS Shivalik is around 15 meters above the water-line. Assuming ground radar at 100m elevation(unlikely), the maximum radar detection range comes out to be 38.3 Km, irrespective of their maximum quoted range. In other words, your ground radar networks are useless in detecting an IN fleet out at 300 km.

Unless PN or PAF commits an Erieye or equivalent, there is almost no chance for the PN to detect, let alone track, an IN warship.

Secondly, the IN in a wargame commited IN assets to try and detect the INS Satpura, and found none of its assets capable of detecting it beyond 100 km. And I'll bet my money on the IN having far superior maritime surveillance capabilities than the PN anyday.

The third problem is wrt the usage of the PN sub fleet. The SSKs (Agosta 90B) are definitely a serious threat. But they'd need atleast a rudimentary idea of the location of the IN ships to move to intercept. The PN subs cannot attempt to chase down the IN ships, they'll have to rely on ambushes. The SSK speeds using AIP ranges anywhere from 3-8 Knots, compared with 25+ knots of IN fleet, making it impossible to chase down IN ships.

So how do you propose to keep IN 300 km out????

@Windjammer, since you claim to take into account all possibilities, please do advise on how you intend to bypass these problems...

 

[Bratva]

Ja oye,,,taitho ni hona kuch kaangdi bhalwaan,,,ja ke javaaka naal pange lai

N-Sikh back to old habits eh

 

[he-man]

N-Sikh back to old habits eh

Yes thats the most probable explanation

N=NUCLEAR