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Imran Khan's greatest challenge: Making Pakistan Muslim again

Who said it's Islamic I said they co exist. You step out.
Medina was not secular, Islam is not a religion but a way of life that ranges from system of govt to economics to law. Turkey was an Islamic state before it fell to WW1 n young turks conspiracy. Secularism was an understandable need of europe cause christianity didnt provide a legal, economic or civic system so they had to come up with thier own. Pakistan, its founding fathers and the 200 million who inhabit it choose Islamic system to govern thier lives. Its our choice. Let the west be at peace with thier choices and us Pakistanis be at peace with our choices.
The animosity between the west and muslims rises cause the western civilization tries to impose thier way of life on us, we dont do that to u do we?, so who is the agressor, who is the extremist?, who is the terrorist?, as i said each to his own choice is the only way forward for world peace but that is too much to ask of the ego's of western Pharoas.
 
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Medina was not secular, Islam is not a religion but a way of life that ranges from system of govt to economics to law. Turkey was an Islamic state before it fell to WW1 n young turks conspiracy. Secularism was an understandable need of europe cause christianity didnt provide a legal, economic or civic system so they had to come up with thier own. Pakistan, its founding fathers and the 200 million who inhabit it choose Islamic system to govern thier lives. Its our choice. Let the west be at peace with thier choices and us Pakistanis be peace with our choices.

That was an observation.I don't think secular is the way forward for Pakistan. They just need to reclaim Islam from the assholes burning the streets right now and their like.

Earliest I remember Pak in early 90's, diff kettle of fish. Didn't have to be secular.
 
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That was an observation.I don't think secular is the way forward for Pakistan. They just need to reclaim Islam from the assholes burning the streets right now and their like.

Earliest I remember Pak in early 90's, diff kettle of fish. Didn't have to be secular.
yes, we need to own it n reclaim it from these thugs.
 
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Imran Khan's greatest challenge: Making Pakistan Muslim again

Who would have thought it? Imran Khan has been elected prime minister of Pakistan. My first thought was: being the most important person of a nation isn't exactly easy but being the leader of a country like Pakistan is even more difficult. As much as I adore Pakistan, I couldn't handle the pressure.

But Imran Khan can handle the pressure. He, at least, has the ability to find an answer to Pakistan's most pressing problem which is the question of identity. To tell you right away: I am not talking about nation building. Pakistan is already an existing nation. Pakistan is built. In fact, Pakistan is much more successful than its artificial neighbor New Delhi; unlike India, Pakistan's foundation is solid.

However, the Pakistanis need to address some outstanding questions and I think that Imran Khan could provide answers.

For instance, almost all of Pakistan would deny that the Pakistani state and its institutions (military, parliament, government etc.) are secular even though they are. Most of the people in the Islamic world mix up the concept of statehood and nationhood. Yes, the Pakistani nation is Muslim but the Pakistani state isn't.

Actually, the very concept of a modern state is Western and secular to the core which is ironic for the simple reason that those people who reject this argument are usually the same people who are big fans of the Ottoman Empire. And this is the reason why to this day, many groups within the nationalistic political spectrum in Turkey struggle to accept the Ottoman past - partly because the Ottomans defined the nation ("millet") as a confessional community. Muslims regardless of their ethnicity were one millet, Christians were another.

The only Ottomans left are Indians

What about Pakistan? It is a nation or millet? The answer is clear to me. Pakistanis are a modern nation state and the sole heirs of the Indus Civilization whereas India is a millet state. However, those in Pakistan, who are celebrating the Ottoman Empire and modern-day Islamic Pakistan at the same time, should ask the question why they call themselves Pakistani in the first place. Pakistan is alien to the concept of millet. The leaders and founding fathers of Pakistan like Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Allama Muhammad Iqbal, Aga Khan III., Liaquat Ali Khan etc. wanted Pakistan to be the home of Muslims in British India. The currently prevailing Islamic globalist attitudes in parts of the Pakistani society do not reflect the philosophy behind the movement that had led to the formation of Pakistan.

This is why India's "Muslim personal law" is a modern variation of the Ottoman millet system while Pakistan itself doesn't apply the millet system due to the simple fact of being a specific nation. Accepting the Islamic millet systems means saying no to the idea of Pakistan. In addition, we should not forget that the Ottoman Empire collapsed because of its artificial social composition. Since its establishment, India is suffering from the exact same illnesses as the Ottoman Empire during its existence.

To put it this way:

There is nothing Pakistani, if Pakistan is solely Islamic; Pakistan only exists because its a Muslim nation. The Ottoman Empire was neither a modern state nor a modern nation - it was just ummah, thus, ceased to exist.

Pakistanis waving the Ottoman flag, emphasizing Islamic Pakistan instead of a Muslim Pakistan and prioritizing the Ummah should be aware of these facts. The nation is the vase that is filled with Islamic values; Muslims are hold together by their respective nations. Without a national framing, global terror groups will continue to abuse Muslims by calling themselves Islamic. One cannot deny that what is making Pakistan Pakistan are the boundaries in the East to India and in the West to Afghanistan.

Therefore I believe that making Pakistan a Muslim nation is Imran's biggest task.

Opinions?

P.S.: Please don't get mad. These are just some thoughts. My intention is not to hurt anybody's feeling. I love, respect and cherish Pakistan and everything that is Pakistani, which includes you. : )


Beautifully written.:tup::tup::tup:

I am confident that IK will succeed.
 
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Medina was not secular, Islam is not a religion but a way of life that ranges from system of govt to economics to law. Turkey was an Islamic state before it fell to WW1 n young turks conspiracy. Secularism was an understandable need of europe cause christianity didnt provide a legal, economic or civic system so they had to come up with thier own. Pakistan, its founding fathers and the 200 million who inhabit it choose Islamic system to govern thier lives. Its our choice. Let the west be at peace with thier choices and us Pakistanis be at peace with our choices.
The animosity between the west and muslims rises cause the western civilization tries to impose thier way of life on us, we dont do that to u do we?, so who is the agressor, who is the extremist?, who is the terrorist?, as i said each to his own choice is the only way forward for world peace but that is too much to ask of the ego's of western Pharoas.

You're also forgetting while mentioning that...
is the fact islam is hundreds of years old, the entire system is based on the society and system THEN and NOT in the modern world.

I simply believe it to be incompatible on a broader perspective.
 
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You're also forgetting while mentioning that...
is the fact islam is hundreds of years old, the entire system is based on the society and system THEN and NOT in the modern world.

I simply believe it to be incompatible on a broader perspective.
Oh, so the word of Allah had an expiry date?, dost aqal na ho to landy ke philosopher banany ke kosish nhn karty. U kids confuse technological progress with social progress. The world instead of progressing socially keeps plunging to new heights of depravity. The last century alone has seen more human life lost in war than the entire last milenia.
 
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Oh, so the word of Allah had an expiry date?, dost aqal na ho to landy ke philosopher banany ke kosish nhn karty. U kids confuse technological progress with social progress. The world instead of progressing socially keeps plunging to new heights of depravity. The last century alone has seen more human life lost in war than the entire last milenia.

Ulta chor kotwal do dantay.
 
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Because you can't make a valid point except for MUH SHARIAH
textbook rabid liberal, looses an argument n swiftly resorts to name calling like mullah n shariah, blah blah.
 
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textbook rabid liberal, looses an argument n swiftly resorts to name calling like mullah n shariah, blah blah.

Textbook wanna-be moderate who resorts to calling others liberals when doesn't have a strong case blah blah
 
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Imran Khan's greatest challenge: Making Pakistan Muslim again

Who would have thought it? Imran Khan has been elected prime minister of Pakistan. My first thought was: being the most important person of a nation isn't exactly easy but being the leader of a country like Pakistan is even more difficult. As much as I adore Pakistan, I couldn't handle the pressure.

But Imran Khan can handle the pressure. He, at least, has the ability to find an answer to Pakistan's most pressing problem which is the question of identity. To tell you right away: I am not talking about nation building. Pakistan is already an existing nation. Pakistan is built. In fact, Pakistan is much more successful than its artificial neighbor New Delhi; unlike India, Pakistan's foundation is solid.

However, the Pakistanis need to address some outstanding questions and I think that Imran Khan could provide answers.

For instance, almost all of Pakistan would deny that the Pakistani state and its institutions (military, parliament, government etc.) are secular even though they are. Most of the people in the Islamic world mix up the concept of statehood and nationhood. Yes, the Pakistani nation is Muslim but the Pakistani state isn't.

Actually, the very concept of a modern state is Western and secular to the core which is ironic for the simple reason that those people who reject this argument are usually the same people who are big fans of the Ottoman Empire. And this is the reason why to this day, many groups within the nationalistic political spectrum in Turkey struggle to accept the Ottoman past - partly because the Ottomans defined the nation ("millet") as a confessional community. Muslims regardless of their ethnicity were one millet, Christians were another.

The only Ottomans left are Indians

What about Pakistan? It is a nation or millet? The answer is clear to me. Pakistanis are a modern nation state and the sole heirs of the Indus Civilization whereas India is a millet state. However, those in Pakistan, who are celebrating the Ottoman Empire and modern-day Islamic Pakistan at the same time, should ask the question why they call themselves Pakistani in the first place. Pakistan is alien to the concept of millet. The leaders and founding fathers of Pakistan like Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Allama Muhammad Iqbal, Aga Khan III., Liaquat Ali Khan etc. wanted Pakistan to be the home of Muslims in British India. The currently prevailing Islamic globalist attitudes in parts of the Pakistani society do not reflect the philosophy behind the movement that had led to the formation of Pakistan.

This is why India's "Muslim personal law" is a modern variation of the Ottoman millet system while Pakistan itself doesn't apply the millet system due to the simple fact of being a specific nation. Accepting the Islamic millet systems means saying no to the idea of Pakistan. In addition, we should not forget that the Ottoman Empire collapsed because of its artificial social composition. Since its establishment, India is suffering from the exact same illnesses as the Ottoman Empire during its existence.

To put it this way:

There is nothing Pakistani, if Pakistan is solely Islamic; Pakistan only exists because its a Muslim nation. The Ottoman Empire was neither a modern state nor a modern nation - it was just ummah, thus, ceased to exist.

Pakistanis waving the Ottoman flag, emphasizing Islamic Pakistan instead of a Muslim Pakistan and prioritizing the Ummah should be aware of these facts. The nation is the vase that is filled with Islamic values; Muslims are hold together by their respective nations. Without a national framing, global terror groups will continue to abuse Muslims by calling themselves Islamic. One cannot deny that what is making Pakistan Pakistan are the boundaries in the East to India and in the West to Afghanistan.

Therefore I believe that making Pakistan a Muslim nation is Imran's biggest task.

Opinions?

P.S.: Please don't get mad. These are just some thoughts. My intention is not to hurt anybody's feeling. I love, respect and cherish Pakistan and everything that is Pakistani, which includes you. : )
Ottoman empire was a true precursor to the modern secular state of Turkey. The millet system was secular and the pasha's at time Christian. Muslims do get nostalgic for Ottoman empire because it was a one time has been power it represented, but at the end of the day it was just another empire. Ottomans rulled multitudes of people, empires do that, Russians do it and so did British and other 'empires' in the history.

Ottomans were heavily indebted, fallen behind military prowess from their contemporaries and were only biding their time until world war 1. Besides, Ottomans were suffis and for all that matters that in itself was a precursor to their eventual demise. Yet because of their urge to keep superstitions alive and hide their weaknesses spent their money propping up the grave sites all over middle east or redoing that grave of Abdul Qadir and causing trouble in modern day Pakistan with all these Qadiris and superstitious grave lovers running around. But sooner or later dogma will melt away and truth will prevail at least for those who seek truth!
 
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Textbook wanna-be moderate who resorts to calling others liberals when doesn't have a strong case blah blah
fuk off vermin, ur pathetic stupid rants are giving me a migrane.
 
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Can the OP not use India in every paragraph while searching for pakistans identity.
 
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