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Imminent threat of China brings Vietnam and the US closer to India

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In a significant move India decided to offer a $100-million credit line to Vietnam to purchase military equipment which will be finalized during the visit of the General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam later this year. Usually, a privilege reserved for its immediate neighbours, this is the first time that New Delhi has extended a credit line for defense purchases to a far off nation. Delhi and Hanoi have been working towards building a robust partnership for the past few years.

It is instructive that India entered the fraught region of the South China Sea via Vietnam. India signed an agreement with Vietnam in October 2011 to expand and promote oil exploration in the South China Sea and then reconfirmed its decision to carry on despite the Chinese challenge to the legality of an Indian presence.

Beijing told New Delhi that its permission was needed for India’s state-owned oil and gas firm to explore for energy in the two Vietnamese blocks in those waters. But Vietnam quickly cited the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea to claim its sovereign rights over the two blocks in question. Hanoi has been publicly sparring with Beijing over the South China Sea for the last few years, so such a response was expected.

What was new, however, was New Delhi’s new-found aggression in taking on China. It immediately decided to support Hanoi’s claims. By accepting the Vietnamese invitation to explore oil and gas in Blocks 127 and 128, India’s state-owned oil company ONGC Videsh Ltd (OVL), not only expressed New Delhi’s desire to deepen its friendship with Vietnam, but ignored China’s warning to stay away.

This display of backbone helped India strengthen its relationship with Vietnam. If China wants to expand its presence in South Asia and the Indian Ocean region, New Delhi’s thinking goes, India can do the same thing in East Asia.

Hanoi is gradually becoming the linchpin of this eastward move by New Delhi. Hanoi fought a brief war with Beijing in 1979 and has grown wary of the Middle Kingdom’s increasing economic and military weight. That’s why in some quarters of New Delhi, Vietnam is already seen as a counterweight in the same way Pakistan has been for China.

That’s not to say good India-Vietnam relations wouldn’t exist otherwise. Vietnamese have traditionally held Indians in high regard because of the latter’s support for Vietnamese independence from France and their opposition to US involvement in the country. And New Delhi formulated a Look-East policy as early as 1991, to capitalize on East Asia’s economic growth. But the rise of China has given this relationship a powerful strategic, not to mention urgent, dimension.

Both sides realize that a stronger bilateral relationship starts with economic ties. The two countries signed an agreement in 2003 in which they envisioned creating an Arc of Advantage and Prosperity in Southeast Asia. So they have been boosting trade, especially after New Delhi signed a free-trade agreement with the Association of South-East Asian Nations in 2009 and concluded talks on Free Trade Agreement (FTA) on services and investment in 2012 which is expected to increase bilateral trade to $200 billion by 2022.

Both sides could still do more to enhance economic cooperation. Bilateral trade is much below the potential, given that India and Vietnam are major emerging economies.

The two countries also need to think creatively about expanding investment opportunities, especially in the energy, steel, and pharmaceutical sectors. This can be done by establishing stronger institutional mechanisms that review the economic relationship on a regular basis and take steps to enhance it.

New Delhi’s abiding interest in Vietnam, though, is in the defence realm. It wants to build relations with states like Vietnam that can act as pressure points against China.

With this in mind, it has been helping Hanoi beef up its naval and air capabilities.

Given that Vietnam and India use similar Russian and erstwhile Soviet defence platforms, New Delhi could easily offer defence technologies to Hanoi. Talks are ongoing for India to sell the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile, an Indo-Russian joint venture. Such arms could allow Vietnam to project regional power and improve deterrence against China.:woot:

The two nations also have stakes in ensuring sea-lane security, as well as shared concerns about Chinese access to the Indian Ocean and the South China Sea. Hence, India is helping Vietnam to build capacity for repair and maintenance of its defence platforms. At the same time, the armed forces of the two states have started cooperating in areas like IT and English-language training of Vietnamese Army personnel. The two are also sharing their experiences in mountainous and jungle warfare.

Naval cooperation, however, remains the focus. Here, Vietnam has given India the right to use its port of Nha Trang in the south; the Indian Navy has already made several port calls. It is not entirely clear what the final arrangement would look like, but the symbolism of this is not lost on China.

The two countries potentially share a common friend — the US. New Delhi has steadily built relations with Washington in the past decade, while Vietnam has been courting America as the South China Sea becomes a flashpoint. As these three countries ponder how to manage China’s rise, they will be drawn closer together.

By lashing out against India for its dealings with Vietnam as well as with other states in East and Southeast Asia, China has shown it will try to deter strategic competitors from collaborating against it. But if both India and Vietnam stand firm, they could force Beijing to moderate its expansionist claims on the South China Sea and adopt a more conciliatory stance on other regional matters.

Imminent threat of China brings Vietnam and the US closer to India | idrw.org
 
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[Bregs];4732743 said:
In foreign policy India has shown some clever adapting

i say we are getting worse..............read the new thread i just posted
 
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Vietnam bought few oinks,right???I doubt they can afford Brahmos..but if true,then good news...
 
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Vietnam bought few oinks,right???I doubt they can afford Brahmos..but if true,then good news...

Well they have a far better defence doctrine than what we do. The way MMS and Co are behaving it almost seems like they're inviting PLA into the country with a red carpet.

Vietnam despite being outgunned, outnumbered and overpowered, bowed to none and is the only Asian country to have thrashed a superpower and kick out a regional bully simultaneously. We should ramp up our ties with them especially military engagements.
 
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Well they have a far better defence doctrine than what we do. The way MMS and Co are behaving it almost seems like they're inviting PLA into the country with a red carpet.

Vietnam despite being outgunned, outnumbered and overpowered, bowed to none and is the only Asian country to have thrashed a superpower and kick out a regional bully simultaneously. We should ramp up our ties with them especially military engagements.

India can ask Vietnam to send troops to protect its border.

On the topic: I'm not too surprise that the article mentioned the all powerful Brahmos. This is just a modified Russian weapon, such as MKI is a modified Su30. Vietnam already buy the original version from Russia.

Finally, US is hardly mentioned in the article. Why bring in US as US already has its alliance. The only way Vietnam or India can e closer to the US is by joining the US lead alliance.
 
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@he-man am not against indians talking against india but not you as you not indian. You are pakistani.... The way you talking since few weeks raises few questions. You must be the guy who used indian pakistani flag before but been warned by the mods. You are trying to be clever by insulting chinese (sweetly and not harshly) and same time making fun of india by saying indians cant even make CCTV camera etc etc (mind you that you were commenting on a country that went to our moon). I want @WebMaster and mods to keep an eye on you and your posts. Am not against indians speaking against india but am against other country people using indian flag and bashing india....
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I want other indians to keep an eye on him. He will get worse and in the end mods might ban him but am afraid till than he will keep bashing india.
 
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@he-man am not against indians talking against india but not you as you not indian. You are pakistani.... The way you talking since few weeks raises few questions. You must be the guy who used indian pakistani flag before but been warned by the mods. You are trying to be clever by insulting chinese (sweetly and not harshly) and same time making fun of india by saying indians cant even make CCTV camera etc etc (mind you that you were commenting on a country that went to our moon). I want @WebMaster and mods to keep an eye on you and your posts. Am not against indians speaking against india but am against other country people using indian flag and bashing india....
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I want other indians to keep an eye on him. He will get worse and in the end mods might ban him but am afraid till than he will keep bashing india.

**** u man

just look what i post
@Dillinger @Flamingo @BlueDot_in_Space @Abingdonboy @Gessler @vostok @hinduguy @Tshering22 @Dandpatta [MENTION=148509][Bregs][/MENTION] @S-DUCT @surya kiran @sasi @SwAggeR @kaykay @anants
this guy thinks i am a pakistani!!

who agrees with him can post here,,,i won't mind
 
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India can ask Vietnam to send troops to protect its border..

Or maybe we can simply ask them to come and clean out the secoolarist traitors who are giving a green flag to all our bordering threats to come in with a red carpet.

That way our Army will be saved from arguing endlessly with these traitors in political ranks and can do what htey do they best.
 
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And to be sure yes i will keep bashing india whenever required as i have a right to do so

its a free country dude

Or maybe we can simply ask them to come and clean out the secoolarist traitors who are giving a green flag to all our bordering threats to come in with a red carpet.

That way our Army will be saved from arguing endlessly with these traitors in political ranks and can do what htey do they best.

Bhai do i look pakistani to u??
 
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@isro2222 Perhaps we can desist from labeling people as Pakistani just because we may disagree or take umbrage to certain posts, for any reason- be it factual inaccuracies, hyperbole or simple expression of sentiments which do not sit well with us?
 
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@isro2222 Perhaps we can desist from labeling people as Pakistani just because we may disagree or take umbrage to certain posts, for any reason- be it factual inaccuracies, hyperbole or simple expression of sentiments which do not sit well with us?

wtf is wrong with ppl here??
i praise what is good and have opened threads on mig-29k,su-30 ans maks-2013
heck even on chinese incursion and now i need to convince ppl,,,,wow

**** u man

just look what i post
@Dillinger @Flamingo @BlueDot_in_Space @Abingdonboy @Gessler @vostok @hinduguy @Tshering22 @Dandpatta [MENTION=148509][Bregs][/MENTION] @S-DUCT @surya kiran @sasi @SwAggeR


this guy thinks i am a pakistani!!

who agrees with him can post here,,,i won't mind

does this look pro chinese to u
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/274117-maks-2013-indian-angle.html

or this

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/274117-maks-2013-indian-angle.html(sardar1987 was me,i deleted that account)

or this

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/275892-acting-good-faith-we-restricted-our-army-only-see-chinese-alteri.html

or this

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/275892-acting-good-faith-we-restricted-our-army-only-see-chinese-alteri.html

check my posts
 
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@he-man am not against indians talking against india but not you as you not indian. You are pakistani.... The way you talking since few weeks raises few questions. You must be the guy who used indian pakistani flag before but been warned by the mods. You are trying to be clever by insulting chinese (sweetly and not harshly) and same time making fun of india by saying indians cant even make CCTV camera etc etc (mind you that you were commenting on a country that went to our moon). I want @WebMaster and mods to keep an eye on you and your posts. Am not against indians speaking against india but am against other country people using indian flag and bashing india....
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I want other indians to keep an eye on him. He will get worse and in the end mods might ban him but am afraid till than he will keep bashing india.

Dude really, he's as much an Indian as I or anyone is.

When he raised that CCTV thread, he was conveying the point that why do we hve to import even a simple security camera and why can't our local companies make it well.

You need to stop being paranoid.
 
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