Immigrants bring 70% of Finland’s population growth

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Someone tell the young Swedes working in Norwegian restaurants about Finland

 

[Dubious]

Someone tell the young Swedes working in Norwegian restaurants about Finland

Whats wrong with Swedes working in Norwegian restaurants? Maybe it is 1 of the ways to stay in Norway and afford its high standards of living?

Do you know Norway has similar welfare systems and higher pay...Most of Nordic regions has a higher pay and better life style (expensive) but better package...Not sure about incentives for babies ...I found out about this one coz 1 of my friend is pregnant and her husband works in Finland so she got these advantages plus I ended up looking it up as it is interesting as it not only covers increasing population but also equality at a chance of survival!

 

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What is happening in Europe,

In short, it has to do with people's personality and economy.

Personality is responsible for the notion that if "both don't have a decent/stable job (many times for this prerequisite is college-pushing the line of first child further down the line), their own place (expensive!), already some travelling and enjoying life behind them etc etc" they can't bring a kid into this world, cuz they will feel a kid will slow them down (like it will in reality) in their enjoying of life and taking it with a big spoon.

Economy part is, well it was fucked up until not so very long ago, it still isn't how it's supposed to be, adding to the feeling of why would i have a child in this repressed world.

But there's more to economy, if you deal with above reasons, the bottom line is kids are expensive. Everything, from kindergarden to diapers.........

 

[Dubious]

In short, it has to do with people's personality and economy.

Personality is responsible for the notion that if "both don't have a decent/stable job (many times for this prerequisite is college-pushing the line of first child further down the line), their own place (expensive!), already some travelling and enjoying life behind them etc etc" they can't bring a kid into this world, cuz they will feel a kid will slow them down (like it will in reality) in their enjoying of life and taking it with a big spoon.

Economy part is, well it was fucked up until not so very long ago, it still isn't how it's supposed to be, adding to the feeling of why would i have a child in this repressed world.

But there's more to economy, if you deal with above reasons, the bottom line is kids are expensive. Everything, from kindergarden to diapers.........

And hence, Finnish govt trying to ease of the first few weeks to months of burden by providing for the infant and mother a nuturing box of essentials!

 

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And hence, Finnish govt trying to ease of the first few weeks to months of burden by providing for the infant and mother a nuturing box of essentials!

The problem is bigger then a nurturing box of essentials could fix although it doesn't hurt.

Although, with the coming pension system crysis, one of the two possible solutions are, either enormous state operated homes for elderly (bad solution), or the return to multigenerational housing, where middle aged take care of their parents while raising their own kids. With this, one big expensive problem from the above (having own place to raise kids) would essentially be taken care of.

Plus grandma's are notorious hoarders, so there's good chances expenses on costs for future kids would be in part covered with saved clothes and baby accessories from the first. Might also help to improve the moral integrity of our spoiled youth if they were to have an elderly around.

 

[Dubious]

The problem is bigger then a nurturing box of essentials could fix although it doesn't hurt.

Although, with the coming pension system crysis, one of the two possible solutions are, either enormous state operated homes for elderly (bad solution), or the return to multigenerational housing, where middle aged take care of their parents while raising their own kids. With this, one big expensive problem from the above (having own place to raise kids) would essentially be taken care of.

Plus grandma's are notorious hoarders, so there's good chances expenses on costs for future kids would be in part covered with saved clothes and baby accessories from the first. Might also help to improve the moral integrity of our spoiled youth if they were to have an elderly around.

I think a handful of people in each country are doing these ...

From what I have heard, met and talked to people many have said:

Many Croatians still do this

Many Italians have their grandparent's home next door to theirs

Some old fashioned British people still have family support kind of term where the parents live next door or not too far away though I dont see it in the new generation ...

Many Finns do this and some Norwegians

Handful Spanish and Portugese...

Maybe some form of studies could help! I totally agree grandparents are good to help raise kids...saves day care costs!

But I am not sure if those I talk to can be a representative of their countries...

 

[Bhai Zakir]

How many are Indians??

 

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I think a handful of people in each country are doing these ...

From what I have heard, met and talked to people many have said:

Many Croatians still do this

Many Italians have their grandparent's home next door to theirs

Some old fashioned British people still have family support kind of term where the parents live next door or not too far away though I dont see it in the new generation ...

Many Finns do this and some Norwegians

Handful Spanish and Portugese...

Maybe some form of studies could help! I totally agree grandparents are good to help raise kids...saves day care costs!

But I am not sure if those I talk to can be a representative of their countries...

Gonna be more of that in the next 20, 30 years for sure.....

btw, this chart is interesting, peak at 2008 then falling, coincidentally the economy crisis started in 2008

Fertility statistics in relation to economy, parity, education and migration - Statistics Explained

 

[Dubious]

Gonna be more of that in the next 20, 30 years for sure.....

btw, this chart is interesting, peak at 2008 then falling, coincidentally the economy crisis started in 2008

Fertility statistics in relation to economy, parity, education and migration - Statistics Explained

Wonder what happened in 2008

 

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Wonder what happened in 2008

I wrote what happened.......


In 2008 the bubbles burst, then it was a slow fall to 2009 when there were still hopes it's a casual bump in the road and the massive stimulus' would straighten it out, and then in 2010 when it dawned on people this is not the case, almost a freefall......

 

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Finland should be alarmed that 70% of its population growth came from immigrants. They need to take whatever means are necessary to reverse this trend & meet their population requirements indigenously. From a general perspective there are a number of causes that could lead to a reduction in fertility rates. Traditionally, men worked & women were responsible for raising children, but with a greater number of women entering the workforce, having children could be detrimental to their careers in spite of the incentives many companies offer today. Let's not forget about the high divorce rates in some countries that are again disadvantageous to the raising of kids. Children require a stable home & family life for healthy development, which implies the presence & good influence of both the mother & the father. The lack of either could hamper their development, & nannies or other child care services are by no means a good replacement for the biological parents. Economic factors undoubtedly play a role too, but government incentives such as housing loans, affordable education, health care, et cetera could counter some of them provided governments are able to afford these incentives. The age at which people settle down to raise a family is important as well.

Historically, women were married off at a young age increasing the duration of time available to them for having kids. Female fertility from what I know is generally at its peak during the 20s after which it begins to decline. Besides, it becomes difficult to raise kids at an advanced age seeing as they require far more than simply feeding & bathing. Physical activities such as sports for instance improves the bond between a child & his father, but an older age or leading an unhealthy lifestyle could prevent fathers from socializing with their offspring in this manner. These aren't the only factors influencing fertility rates of course, but they are important & as always every society is going to have to study their own problems for themselves. Societies that give importance to traditional gender roles will avoid many if not all of these issues as do most patriarchal societies where fathers are responsible for guarding & providing for their families. That's not to say that women shouldn't work & only focus on raising kids, but it's important to realize that in the case of women, sacrificing career for a couple of years to raise a family should by no means be viewed as a setback or failure. All in all, both men & women have a role to play in the development of their nations & of course its survival.

 

[Secur]

Then I read the rest of the thread is focused on Muslims

It isn't about Muslims , try to get out of that thing , it isn't preferable or relevant everywhere .

 

[Dubious]

How many are Indians??

I beg your pardon...Not everything around the world revolves around Indians! So please come out of your shallowness and keep to the thread which is about Finland and its population, population trends in Europe (as this thread is in the Europe section) incentives given to aid families grow and so on...!

Thank you!

 

[Bhai Zakir]

I beg your pardon...Not everything around the world revolves around Indians! So please come out of your shallowness and keep to the thread which is about Finland and its population, population trends in Europe (as this thread is in the Europe section) incentives given to aid families grow and so on...!

Thank you!

Kya hua bhai?? sab khairiyat?? As a Indian i was interested in knowing about Indians is it wrong

 

[Dubious]

Finland should be alarmed that 70% of its population growth came from immigrants. They need to take whatever means are necessary to reverse this trend & meet their population requirements indigenously.

True...But it is also true that the "modern new generation" is not much into expanding their family from more than 1-2 children! I dont get this, esp since schooling is free, your wife gets $$ if she doesnt work and is a stay at home mom, health care is relatively good, all that needs to be done is study, get a good job and viola you can support a family!

Another thing for which I am looking for data is the infertility rate! I keep getting something related to reindeer's fertility

From a general perspective there are a number of causes that could lead to a reduction in fertility rates. Traditionally, men worked & women were responsible for raising children, but with a greater number of women entering the workforce, having children could be detrimental to their careers in spite of the incentives many companies offer today. Let's not forget about the high divorce rates in some countries that are again disadvantageous to the raising of kids. Children require a stable home & family life for healthy development, which implies the presence & good influence of both the mother & the father. The lack of either could hamper their development, & nannies or other child care services are by no means a good replacement for the biological parents. Economic factors undoubtedly play a role too, but government incentives such as housing loans, affordable education, health care, et cetera could counter some of them provided governments are able to afford these incentives. The age at which people settle down to raise a family is important as well.

True...

Historically, women were married off at a young age increasing the duration of time available to them for having kids. Female fertility from what I know is generally at its peak during the 20s after which it begins to decline. Besides, it becomes difficult to raise kids at an advanced age seeing as they require far more than simply feeding & bathing. Physical activities such as sports for instance improves the bond between a child & his father, but an older age or leading an unhealthy lifestyle could prevent fathers from socializing with their offspring in this manner. These aren't the only factors influencing fertility rates of course, but they are important & as always every society is going to have to study their own problems for themselves. Societies that give importance to traditional gender roles will avoid many if not all of these issues as do most patriarchal societies where fathers are responsible for guarding & providing for their families. That's not to say that women shouldn't work & only focus on raising kids, but it's important to realize that in the case of women, sacrificing career for a couple of years to raise a family should by no means be viewed as a setback or failure. All in all, both men & women have a role to play in the development of their nations & of course its survival.

Agreed!

I am going to put in a few articles on some countries to help understand whats going on...

Kya hua bhai?? sab khairiyat?? As a Indian i was interested in knowing about Indians is it wrong

If there was any data, I assure I would have put it up! I put the article up as it is...If I have my comments in between I make sure the article is in quotes and my comments outside the quote box...

If you think I am hiding some "race specific" stats, I have also put the link of the article so you can go check it out!

Here people are more concerned about the local population dying out and your only concern was how many Indians were born in Finland to bring their population growth to 70%?