Immigrants bring 70% of Finland’s population growth

[Dubious]

Last year just over 30,000 people moved to Finland – nearly 8,000 of them returning Finnish citizens.

Immigration now accounts for 70 percent of Finland’s population growth, according to figures out from Statistics Finland on Tuesday.

Last year’s Finland’s population expanded by nearly 24,000 people. Of these, some 17,000 were immigrants. Almost a quarter of immigrants were returning Finnish citizens.

Meanwhile, slightly more than 13,000 people moved abroad in 2013. Seven out of 10 were Finnish nationals.

Finnish maternity wards were a bit quieter last year as the number of babies born went down by around two percent.

Around 58,000 infants arrived, 1370 fewer than in 2012. This was the third consecutive annual decline. Still, births outnumbered deaths by almost 7,000. That brought the nation’s population to 5.45 million by year’s end.

 

[Pakistanisage]

I think most of Europe's growth will come from immigration and babies born to ethnic minorities. Without this growth rate Europe will go into decline in terms of Population.

 

[AUz]

Immigrants tend to have more children everywhere in comparison to the native population..

Over-time, the fertility rate of immigrants drops and become same as the fertility rates of the native population.

For example, in 1960's, fertility rate of Muslims in Europe was higher than that of Europe. Today, the fertility rate of Muslims across Europe has merged with the Europeans all across the continent..and in one country..I'm forgetting the exact one..the fertility rate is actually fallen below the fertility rate of native population

I don't know whats happening though...European culture is obsessed with sex..but still they are not replacing themselves well. Interesting phenomenon going on there.

In Japan, they don't like to have sex any longer.

In Islamic World...big parts of it..."marriage" is considered as the 'ticket to sex' and so one or two children are a normal thing.

 

[Dubious]

Immigrants tend to have more children everywhere in comparison to the native population..

Over-time, the fertility rate of immigrants drops and become same as the fertility rates of the native population.

For example, in 1960's, fertility rate of Muslims in Europe was higher than that of Europe. Today, the fertility rate of Muslims across Europe has merged with the Europeans all across the continent..and in one country..I'm forgetting the exact one..the fertility rate is actually fallen below the fertility rate of native population

I don't know whats happening though...European culture is obsessed with sex..but still they are not replacing themselves well. Interesting phenomenon going on there.

In Japan, they don't like to have sex any longer.

In Islamic World...big parts of it..."marriage" is considered as the 'ticket to sex' and so one or two children are a normal thing.

Not sure about the fertility rate of Muslims has merged...It has decreased but they still are the most in reproducing...

What is happening in Europe,

health is reliant on antibiotics, every small thing gets an antibiotic course

Food is processed + fast food and less healthy

then we have the education : family planning

then we have the work stress relation which has been proven to reduce fertility or chances of conceiving in women

Then you also have another issue where women dont want to loose their shape...or dont want to marry or simply dont want kids as it will challenge their freedom...

These are just few to mention...

It is strange for Finland because if you are a registered pregnant lady (meaning you pay your tax and have a registered doctor) you have all the care in the world, from regular check ups, free hampers, free public transportation (if you have a baby stroller- parent goes free] They even have parenting clubs, tips classes and all sorts of facilities!

BBC News - Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes

Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes

For 75 years, Finland's expectant mothers have been given a box by the state. It's like a starter kit of clothes, sheets and toys that can even be used as a bed. And some say it helped Finland achieve one of the world's lowest infant mortality rates.

It's a tradition that dates back to the 1930s and it's designed to give all children in Finland, no matter what background they're from, an equal start in life.

The maternity package - a gift from the government - is available to all expectant mothers.

It contains bodysuits, a sleeping bag, outdoor gear, bathing products for the baby, as well as nappies, bedding and a small mattress.

With the mattress in the bottom, the box becomes a baby's first bed. Many children, from all social backgrounds, have their first naps within the safety of the box's four cardboard walls.

A 1947 maternity pack

Mothers have a choice between taking the box, or a cash grant, currently set at 140 euros, but 95% opt for the box as it's worth much more.

The tradition dates back to 1938. To begin with, the scheme was only available to families on low incomes, but that changed in 1949.

"Not only was it offered to all mothers-to-be but new legislation meant in order to get the grant, or maternity box, they had to visit a doctor or municipal pre-natal clinic before their fourth month of pregnancy," says Heidi Liesivesi, who works at Kela - the Social Insurance Institution of Finland.

So the box provided mothers with what they needed to look after their baby, but it also helped steer pregnant women into the arms of the doctors and nurses of Finland's nascent welfare state.

In the 1930s Finland was a poor country and infant mortality was high - 65 out of 1,000 babies died. But the figures improved rapidly in the decades that followed.

Mika Gissler, a professor at the National Institute for Health and Welfare in Helsinki, gives several reasons for this - the maternity box and pre-natal care for all women in the 1940s, followed in the 60s by a national health insurance system and the central hospital network.

• 
  
  
  • Mattress, mattress cover, undersheet, duvet cover, blanket, sleeping bag/quilt
  • Box itself doubles as a crib
  • Snowsuit, hat, insulated mittens and booties
  • Light hooded suit and knitted overalls
  • Socks and mittens, knitted hat and balaclava
  • Bodysuits, romper suits and leggings in unisex colours and patterns
  • Hooded bath towel, nail scissors, hairbrush, toothbrush, bath thermometer, nappy cream, wash cloth
  • Cloth nappy set and muslin squares
  • Picture book and teething toy
  • Bra pads, condoms

That is alot!! So there is no proper excuse when it comes to family planning! I found this beyond impressive!

I heard they even sent 1 to the British Royal baby BBC News - Royal baby: William and Catherine get Finnish baby box ...I forgot what they call it..Ahh yes the company or whatever in charge is Kela and it is called a Kela (the Finnish social security office) hamper! Maternity package - kela.fi

 

[AUz]

Not sure about the fertility rate of Muslims has merged...It has decreased but they still are the most in reproducing...

The difference has become negligible...

Like a difference of 0.8 in fertility lol..

What is happening in Europe,

health is reliant on antibiotics, every small thing gets an antibiotic course

Food is processed + fast food and less healthy

then we have the education : family planning

then we have the work stress relation which has been proven to reduce fertility or chances of conceiving in women

Then you also have another issue where women dont want to loose their shape...or dont want to marry or simply dont want kids as it will challenge their freedom...

These are just few to mention...

It is strange for Finland because if you are a registered pregnant lady (meaning you pay your tax and have a registered doctor) you have all the care in the world, from regular check ups, free hampers, free public transportation (if you have a baby stroller- parent goes free] They even have parenting clubs, tips classes and all sorts of facilities!

Well how do antibiotics play any role in fertility? I mean, taking antibiotics doesn't decrease your ability to reproduce..

Also, how come processed food less healthy? Europeans' health is trillion times better than say indians or Pakistanis...even though we eat so-called "natural" food.

I guess its mainly due to education. With education, women don't produce baby like in say 17 years...and they start producing babies in 25 to 26 years of age..because they have to complete their education first..and then they enter in 30's really quick..after that, humans generally don't produce babies..like in their late 30's and 40's etc. So with education, less babies are produced.

Same is the phenomenon in Islamic World btw. Iran, Turkey, Indonesia etc are already in this stage..and in Iran, fertility rate is even worse than it is many European nations...

Actually, Islamic World is facing a bigger problem than Europe or Japan in the long run...


Muslim birth rates have declined at unprecedented levels in history...Just for the info, today's average Muslim birth rate is at the same level of Europeans' birth rate when their per capita income was $25,000! With development, birth rates decline..but it is a DISASTER for Muslim World b/c the birth rates have declined already but without the development levels that match with those birth rates (thanks to the sunni-shia bullshit wars, and political instabilities..corruption..illiteracy etc...Muslim World missed out on massive advancement of humanity after WW2 (hint: East Asia)!)

Europeans and Japanese have MASSIVE wealth to take care of their old people..and to cope with the 'aging' societies..but when it comes to Muslim World, it will simply totally collapse due to the aging fact since the economies of Muslim nations aren't that strong...unless it develops REALLY fast..like East Asia...Muslim World is a "dying civilization" in its true sense..not like Japan or Europe.

In next 50 to 80 years, Muslims will be where Europeans and Japanese will be in like 2020 etc.

 

[Chronos]

I think most of Europe's growth will come from immigration and babies born to ethnic minorities. Without this growth rate Europe will go into decline in terms of Population.

In a way, the economy sees people only as consumers. So you do need a stable population keep the consumption growing.

 

[Dubious]

The difference has become negligible...

Like a difference of 0.8 in fertility lol..

I am not sure of the exact figures so I will go with what you said..

Well how do antibiotics play any role in fertility? I mean, taking antibiotics doesn't decrease your ability to reproduce..

Well it makes your body weaker to foreign attacks...Because you are soo used to having the aid of medicines that your body literally spends more on maintenance...

Also, how come processed food less healthy? Europeans' health is trillion times better than say indians or Pakistanis...even though we eat so-called "natural" food.

Being healthy and living longer is not the same as being fertile!

I guess its mainly due to education. With education, women don't produce baby like in say 17 years...and they start producing babies in 25 to 26 years of age..because they have to complete their education first..and then they enter in 30's really quick..after that, humans generally don't produce babies..like in their late 30's and 40's etc. So with education, less babies are produced.

1 factor yes

Same is the phenomenon in Islamic World btw. Iran, Turkey, Indonesia etc are already in this stage..and in Iran, fertility rate is even worse than it is many European nations...

Since I do not know the exact numbers I will agree with what you say...

Actually, Islamic World is facing a bigger problem than Europe or Japan in the long run...

How is that?

Muslim birth rates have declined at unprecedented levels in history...Just for the info, today's average Muslim birth rate is at the same level of Europeans' birth rate when their per capita income was $25,000! With development, birth rates decline..but it is a DISASTER for Muslim World b/c the birth rates have declined already but without the development levels that match with those birth rates (thanks to the sunni-shia bullshit wars, and political instabilities..corruption..illiteracy etc...Muslim World missed out on massive advancement of humanity after WW2 (hint: East Asia)!)

Yes it is bad that it is declining...

Europeans and Japanese have MASSIVE wealth to take care of their old people..and to cope with the 'aging' societies..but when it comes to Muslim World, it will simply totally collapse due to the aging fact since the economies of Muslim nations aren't that strong...unless it develops REALLY fast..like East Asia...Muslim World is a "dying civilization" in its true sense..not like Japan or Europe.

Maybe you need to read a little bit more...Europe and Japan dont really plan for 5-10 years they plan and see far into the future and hence are worried, even if they can support the growing elderly people, but for how long can they support that? And how many youth will be burdened?

Concern peaks in East Asia, where nearly nine-in-ten Japanese, eight-in-ten South Koreans and seven-in-ten Chinese describe aging as a major problem for their country. Europeans also display a relatively high level of concern with aging, with more than half of the public in Germany and Spain saying that it is a major problem. Americans are among the least concerned, with only one-in-four expressing this opinion.

The FINANCIAL - In a Rapidly Graying World, Japanese Are Worried, Americans Aren’t

Another few articles: Old age futures a concern in many countries - thenews.com.pk

And this is how people see their countries: Attitudes about Aging: A Global Perspective | Pew Global Attitudes Project

This itself can be another thread!

So saying they can support it or is no worry for them is an overstatement!

In next 50 to 80 years, Muslims will be where Europeans and Japanese will be in like 2020 etc.

Well, that is not shown in the research...we still have 30-50 yrs to find out!

 

[livingdead]

all eyes are on japan, if they can pull it off, rest of the countries with depleting population have some chance.
Indians will probably face this after 2050 when our population growth will flatline and decline afterwards.

@Talon kindly consider using normal sized font... unless its really really needed.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Not sure about the fertility rate of Muslims has merged...It has decreased but they still are the most in reproducing...

What is happening in Europe,

health is reliant on antibiotics, every small thing gets an antibiotic course

Food is processed + fast food and less healthy

then we have the education : family planning

then we have the work stress relation which has been proven to reduce fertility or chances of conceiving in women

Then you also have another issue where women dont want to loose their shape...or dont want to marry or simply dont want kids as it will challenge their freedom...

These are just few to mention...

It is strange for Finland because if you are a registered pregnant lady (meaning you pay your tax and have a registered doctor) you have all the care in the world, from regular check ups, free hampers, free public transportation (if you have a baby stroller- parent goes free] They even have parenting clubs, tips classes and all sorts of facilities!

BBC News - Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes

Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes

For 75 years, Finland's expectant mothers have been given a box by the state. It's like a starter kit of clothes, sheets and toys that can even be used as a bed. And some say it helped Finland achieve one of the world's lowest infant mortality rates.

It's a tradition that dates back to the 1930s and it's designed to give all children in Finland, no matter what background they're from, an equal start in life.

The maternity package - a gift from the government - is available to all expectant mothers.

It contains bodysuits, a sleeping bag, outdoor gear, bathing products for the baby, as well as nappies, bedding and a small mattress.

With the mattress in the bottom, the box becomes a baby's first bed. Many children, from all social backgrounds, have their first naps within the safety of the box's four cardboard walls.

A 1947 maternity pack

Mothers have a choice between taking the box, or a cash grant, currently set at 140 euros, but 95% opt for the box as it's worth much more.

The tradition dates back to 1938. To begin with, the scheme was only available to families on low incomes, but that changed in 1949.

"Not only was it offered to all mothers-to-be but new legislation meant in order to get the grant, or maternity box, they had to visit a doctor or municipal pre-natal clinic before their fourth month of pregnancy," says Heidi Liesivesi, who works at Kela - the Social Insurance Institution of Finland.

So the box provided mothers with what they needed to look after their baby, but it also helped steer pregnant women into the arms of the doctors and nurses of Finland's nascent welfare state.

In the 1930s Finland was a poor country and infant mortality was high - 65 out of 1,000 babies died. But the figures improved rapidly in the decades that followed.

Mika Gissler, a professor at the National Institute for Health and Welfare in Helsinki, gives several reasons for this - the maternity box and pre-natal care for all women in the 1940s, followed in the 60s by a national health insurance system and the central hospital network.

• 
  
  
  • Mattress, mattress cover, undersheet, duvet cover, blanket, sleeping bag/quilt
  • Box itself doubles as a crib
  • Snowsuit, hat, insulated mittens and booties
  • Light hooded suit and knitted overalls
  • Socks and mittens, knitted hat and balaclava
  • Bodysuits, romper suits and leggings in unisex colours and patterns
  • Hooded bath towel, nail scissors, hairbrush, toothbrush, bath thermometer, nappy cream, wash cloth
  • Cloth nappy set and muslin squares
  • Picture book and teething toy
  • Bra pads, condoms

That is alot!! So there is no proper excuse when it comes to family planning! I found this beyond impressive!

I heard they even sent 1 to the British Royal baby BBC News - Royal baby: William and Catherine get Finnish baby box ...I forgot what they call it..Ahh yes the company or whatever in charge is Kela and it is called a Kela (the Finnish social security office) hamper! Maternity package - kela.fi

Brilliant article

Thanks for Sharing

 

[Pakistanisage]

In a way, the economy sees people only as consumers. So you do need a stable population keep the consumption growing.

True. Besides you need Labor for your factories and a younger generation to support the old retirees,

 

[AUz]

Maybe you need to read a little bit more...Europe and Japan dont really plan for 5-10 years they plan and see far into the future and hence are worried, even if they can support the growing elderly people, but for how long can they support that? And how many youth will be burdened?

The FINANCIAL - In a Rapidly Graying World, Japanese Are Worried, Americans Aren’t

Another few articles: Old age futures a concern in many countries - thenews.com.pk

And this is how people see their countries: Attitudes about Aging: A Global Perspective | Pew Global Attitudes Project

Yes I know Europeans and Japanese plan ahead...so should we.

So saying they can support it or is no worry for them is an overstatement!

Well, lets say that they do need to worry..I am not saying that they should not worry...but the point I made was about available resources that Europeans and Japs have. So they are in way better position to deal with the problem.

Well, that is not shown in the research...we still have 30-50 yrs to find out!

Should Muslims prepare to face the worst instead of waiting 30-50 years to "find out" what happens?

Visit this site..

www.populationpyramid.com


Based on U.N population data center, this tells how population will grow in future.

To be more precise, read like preface of this book.

How Civilizations Die: (And Why Islam Is Dying Too): David Goldman: 9781596982734: Amazon.com: Books

 

[liall]

24,000 yearly expansion? lol one village in Bihar expands by that much every year

 

[FaujHistorian]

hahahaha


I just noticed this thread.

Wow. At first just saw the sidebar snippet that

--- Immigrants bring 70% of Finland’s.................


So I was thinking

What could it be

what could it be

Oh God please make it industrial strength, economic improvement, education, enlightenment, art, literature, philosophy


like

----- Immigrants bring 70% of Finland’s industrial strength,
----- Immigrants bring 70% of Finland’s economic improvement,
----- Immigrants bring 70% of Finland’s education,
----- Immigrants bring 70% of Finland’s enlightenment,
----- Immigrants bring 70% of Finland’s art,
----- Immigrants bring 70% of Finland’s literature,
----- Immigrants bring 70% of Finland’s philosophy

but sadly sadly sadly sadly sadly I was in for a surprise.

None of that

It was just the good ole forking, yeah live in ghetto, make babies. more babies babies babies babies

That's it, nothing else, nada, zilch, shunni

Immigrants bring 70% of Finland’s population growth

Then I read the rest of the thread is focused on Muslims

Oh Khuda-aya, could we ever get away from reinforcing stereotypes?

Must we post such sad and idiotic articles

must we?

 

[Dubious]

all eyes are on japan, if they can pull it off, rest of the countries with depleting population have some chance.
Indians will probably face this after 2050 when our population growth will flatline and decline afterwards.

@Talon kindly consider using normal sized font... unless its really really needed.

Sorry about that...Copy paste is not my fav job!

Yes I know Europeans and Japanese plan ahead...so should we.

Everyone should...I recall when I was in grade 8 or something we were learning those population growth models and lots of statements accompanying it (mostly worrying) comparing developed and developing world....

Well, lets say that they do need to worry..I am not saying that they should not worry...but the point I made was about available resources that Europeans and Japs have. So they are in way better position to deal with the problem.

True...

Should Muslims prepare to face the worst instead of waiting 30-50 years to "find out" what happens?

Well, if they dont plan then yes they can wait 30-50 years to see what happens...

Visit this site..

www.populationpyramid.com

You sure that site was legit? It told me to date Sexy African Women

Based on U.N population data center, this tells how population will grow in future.

To be more precise, read like preface of this book.

How Civilizations Die: (And Why Islam Is Dying Too): David Goldman: 9781596982734: Amazon.com: Books

That is not even close to precise...and lets not make this about religion shall we?! The thread is about a worrying trend which most if not all of Western Europe and other developed countries face...Even Singapore! Heck they give incentives to increase the population!

I showed how far Finnish govt goes to encourage the population to grow as well as to ensure that every baby of every equality has an equal opportunity to survive!

 

[Dubious]

hahahaha


I just noticed this thread.

Wow. At first just saw the sidebar snippet that

--- Immigrants bring 70% of Finland’s.................


So I was thinking

What could it be

what could it be

Oh God please make it industrial strength, economic improvement, education, enlightenment, art, literature, philosophy


like

----- Immigrants bring 70% of Finland’s industrial strength,
----- Immigrants bring 70% of Finland’s economic improvement,
----- Immigrants bring 70% of Finland’s education,
----- Immigrants bring 70% of Finland’s enlightenment,
----- Immigrants bring 70% of Finland’s art,
----- Immigrants bring 70% of Finland’s literature,
----- Immigrants bring 70% of Finland’s philosophy

but sadly sadly sadly sadly sadly I was in for a surprise.

None of that

It was just the good ole forking, yeah live in ghetto, make babies. more babies babies babies babies

Talk about stereotyping here you might even be considered racist!

That's it, nothing else, nada, zilch, shunni

Immigrants bring 70% of Finland’s population growth

Then I read the rest of the thread is focused on Muslims

Oh Khuda-aya, could we ever get away from reinforcing stereotypes?

Must we post such sad and idiotic articles

must we?

I am sorry you are incapable of seeing past Muslim, Islam or anything...I didnt bring that ask @AUz why that was necessary!

I am sad to know you think very little about life, let alone the man force/ labour a country needs...

I am also sorry to know your limited knowledge and hence the thread about what is happening!

Lastly, it is a pity that you are only capable of seeing what you see

My thread was about:

Finland's population growth: 70% comes from foreigners

Finland encouraging population growth by providing incentives

Finland making sure every baby has an equal chance by providing a kit to every expecting mom irrespective of her ethnicity

I am sorry you are incapable of perceiving anything more than you wish to see ...besides nobody asked you to reply or do you find it your business to derail every thread where someone else may have mentioned Muslim in?

@WebMaster @Aeronaut @ecur @Slav Defence How is the above post by a TT even relevant to my thread please explain! I didnt report him so that you can see what happens on my threads! A certain TT comes in charging like a bull in a china shop and refuses to see anything else except what he wants to see...Was it my fault that another poster brought in Islam/ Muslim and the TT charged at it like red being shown to a bull? This is what I have been complaining about! My threads being degraded because someone cant see the points the threads speak loud an clear about! That someone being a TT! How do you expect me to be a contributor when I am simply not allowed?

Oh let me not forget we see a certain someone thanking the derailing of my thread!

24,000 yearly expansion? lol one village in Bihar expands by that much every year

Yes but the village in Bihar is not the size of Finland!