IDEF 2017: PAKISTAN MOVES CLOSER TO FINALIZING MILGEM CORVETTE PURCHASE - 10MAY17

[BetterPakistan]

4 type 054a frigates with 4 ada class corvettes will be great.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Why not?
Since we are talking about an "improved" F22P. I see no reason why an improved F22p wont serve us well. Just need to upgrade the AAW capabilities. May be go for 16 cell VLS for HQ16?


Type 52 is a destroyer, we are not looking at them. Type 54 can be a possibility as it can be made to provide better AAW capability.

Type 54 will be much better then the F22P improved Frigates improve the one which we already have and if Navy wants more F-22P frigate what are they waiting for they can be build in Karachi Shipyard but still there was a news that Navy is looking for Frigates Options

Type 54 or Type 57 that is what PN should get with corvettes from Turkey and 2-3 Type 52 Destroyers

 

[YeBeWarned]

Why not?
Since we are talking about an "improved" F22P. I see no reason why an improved F22p wont serve us well. Just need to upgrade the AAW capabilities. May be go for 16 cell VLS for HQ16?

Upgraded F-22P's will be much alike Type 54A no ? and after retiring 5 Type 21's we will have plenty of Sailors that we need to trained for new Ships ..I have this in mind That PN is going for I-2400 Version of Ada Class which has 16X VLS Air Defense and its slightly bigger than Basic Ada Class ..

Type 52 is a destroyer, we are not looking at them. Type 54 can be a possibility as it can be made to provide better AAW capability.

none of our Surface Fleet will survive 2 days in front of Mighty IN if we don't have dedicated AAW capability Destroyers or heavy Frigates ..

 

[CHI RULES]

After corvettes we should go for some frigate deals, but once Corvettes are started to be assembled in Pakistan I don't think we shall be in position to start any other big project. We should look towards China or UK. May purchase few second hand frigates go for complete overhaul not patch work. We may complete this project also under guidance of STM same as being done in case of Agosta 90s.

I have a question for senior members can HQ16 semi active missile and shall require Illumination also so can we upgrade our existing F22P frigates with them in VLS mode. ( space available or not).

Further another area which is neglected is anti stealth capability either absent in case of F21 frigate or short range in case of F21 frigates. Further how much useful is single OHP for PN.

 

[Usamafarooqi99]

After corvettes we should go for some frigate deals, but once Corvettes are started to be assembled in Pakistan I don't think we shall be in position to start any other big project. We should look towards China or UK. May purchase few second hand frigates go for complete overhaul not patch work. We may complete this project also under guidance of STM same as being done in case of Agosta 90s.

I have a question for senior members can HQ16 semi active missile and shall require Illumination also so can we upgrade our existing F22P frigates with them in VLS mode. ( space available or not).

Further another area which is neglected is anti stealth capability either absent in case of F21 frigate or short range in case of F21 frigates. Further how much useful is single OHP for PN.

No bro, F22Ps will not be upgraded to VLS...Next upcoming ships will be having VLS
Secondly , Type 21 frigates have finished their time

 

[Sankpal]

Can you provide the source?

If true then Indian should be in mourning.

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1st compare F22P to any indian frigate than say anything man.

 

[Green_Patriot]

I am sick and tired of threads like this that we are close to sign this or that. Don't make fun of yourselves. We are only close to bulshitting our nation and that's also on the tax payers money. In last twenty seven years we only bought handful new f16s and made few jf17s.

Yes you can say generals are close buying another expensive plot at the prime location, this is the only thing they are best at.

FYI Generals / Admirals are often pushed in the wrong direction by politicians having their own agendas. Case in point is acquisition of 214 class subs from Germany which are best in its class and zardari govt pushed towards china for their own gains. Acquisition of AWACs from china instead of Swedwn SAAB is another example even when PAF wasn't happy with it.

 

[CHI RULES]

FYI Generals / Admirals are often pushed in the wrong direction by politicians having their own agendas. Case in point is acquisition of 214 class subs from Germany which are best in its class and zardari govt pushed towards china for their own gains. Acquisition of AWACs from china instead of Swedwn SAAB is another example even when PAF wasn't happy with it.

FYI Generals / Admirals are often pushed in the wrong direction by politicians having their own agendas. Case in point is acquisition of 214 class subs from Germany which are best in its class and zardari govt pushed towards china for their own gains. Acquisition of AWACs from china instead of Swedwn SAAB is another example even when PAF wasn't happy with it.

Dear Type 214 class subs no doubt one of the best but strings are always attached with such platforms. i.e we could not modify them to fire CMs , the case of Type 214 subs was same as of F16s. Further high costs is an issue for Pak till we are able to fully reap benefits of CPEC.

Though PAF though had reservations about Chinese AWACS yet their apprehensions were negated by performance as already explained by our current PAF chief.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Upgraded F-22P's will be much alike Type 54A no ? and after retiring 5 Type 21's we will have plenty of Sailors that we need to trained for new Ships ..I have this in mind That PN is going for I-2400 Version of Ada Class which has 16X VLS Air Defense and its slightly bigger than Basic Ada Class ..



none of our Surface Fleet will survive 2 days in front of Mighty IN if we don't have dedicated AAW capability Destroyers or heavy Frigates ..

LOL 2 days it wont even survive 1 day in front of Indian Navy... we are so much behind when it comes to Navy

 

[Penguin]

Type 54 will be much better then the F22P improved Frigates improve the one which we already have and if Navy wants more F-22P frigate what are they waiting for they can be build in Karachi Shipyard but still there was a news that Navy is looking for Frigates Options

Type 54 or Type 57 that is what PN should get with corvettes from Turkey and 2-3 Type 52 Destroyers

How?

The armaments are very similar to begin with, except for the SAM system and volume search radar. If you stick a Mk41 with 32 ESSM or a Sylver with 32 SeaCeptor on F22P, that problem is solved. If you then slap on e.g. a Thales Smart-S mk2, there is great equivalence.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

How?

The armaments are very similar to begin with, except for the SAM system and volume search radar. If you stick a Mk41 with 32 ESSM or a Sylver with 32 SeaCeptor on F22P, that problem is solved. If you then slap on e.g. a Thales Smart-S mk2, there is great equivalence.

Well Type 54 has more (double) range then F22 P Frigate
It has 16 cell VLS while F-22P frigate doesn't
Type 54 has more Anti Submarine launchers then F-22 Frigate

the current f-22P of PN are inferior to Type 54 frigates when they gonna improve it no one knows.. Like i said PN should Upgrade the Current F-22P frigates and go for type 54 frigates at least 6 will cost $200-250 Million per boat and are good option to replace Type-21 and cheap

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

2017 will witness of both deals

Another 4 advanced F22 P will be made under new contract between China and Pakistan

Source for the 4 new F22Ps?

 

[Super Falcon]

Why don't we buy Russian lider class FRIGATES recently Srilanka bought them on credit

 

[Green_Patriot]

Why don't we buy Russian lider class FRIGATES recently Srilanka bought them on credit

Cuz they are Russian. Why can't we get anything Russian? We all know why

 

[YeBeWarned]

LOL 2 days it wont even survive 1 day in front of Indian Navy... we are so much behind when it comes to Navy

They will be scared a little because of our Submarine Fleet , which will be around 8-10 all AIP equipped and can Launch Anti-Ship and Land Attack CM's