Featured IAF airlifts dozens of tanks to Ladakh to beef up firepower

[Mrc]

Cannon fodder in front of Chinese Air superiority

 

[Joe Shearer]

Cannon fodder in front of Chinese Air superiority

As already established on PDF, or something more concrete?

 

[Mrc]

As already established on PDF, or something more concrete?

How do u think su 35s fare against su 30s

 

[Joe Shearer]

PLA's comment on Type15: revolutionary.
it is highly digitalise and served as an information grid.

Nothing to do with engine performance; that it is highly digitalised merely supports exchange of information with compatible nodes. It cannot serve as an information grid, but is obviously meant to be a node on such a grid.

That is very good; in effect, in real-time, commanders can see the positions of other tanks, and can share the information about opposition facing them so that the entire linked formation has a composite picture, and the overall commander is able to take rational decisions about direction of advance or changing it, or point of attack and changing it. In pessimistic terms, each commander can see his colleagues blowing up. In real time.

How do u think su 35s fare against su 30s

Reasonably well. No striking difference; one is an incremental improvement over the other.

It is also reasonable to assume that you know what a Su 35 is.

 

[IblinI]

meant to be a node

thx for the correction.

 

[Mrc]

Nothing to do with engine performance; that it is highly digitalised merely supports exchange of information with compatible nodes. It cannot serve as an information grid, but is obviously meant to be a node on such a grid.

That is very good; in effect, in real-time, commanders can see the positions of other tanks, and can share the information about opposition facing them so that the entire linked formation has a composite picture, and the overall commander is able to take rational decisions about direction of advance or changing it, or point of attack and changing it. In pessimistic terms, each commander can see his colleagues blowing up. In real time.



Reasonably well. No striking difference; one is an incremental improvement over the other.

It is also reasonable to assume that you know what a Su 35 is.

It has aesa radar

 

[Joe Shearer]

Many thanks for this elaborate but precise reply - very grateful.
Precisely what I was looking to understand (you have, understandably, left few gaps).


What is the numerical size of IA vs PLA:

Brigade
Division
Corps

At the end of it all, I was corrected by one of our ubiquitous off-line mentors.

He wants me to remind you that most local personnel (there are local formations raised from inhabitants of this and similar high-altitude areas) are in no need of acclimatisation in the first place. There are around 10,000 of these in different military and para-military formations.

The Indian's lack of a Type 15 light tank equivalent is going to haunt them in fire support on the ground ... sure the Indians have artillery and rockets but they don't match the versatility of light tanks. The Indian infantry will suffer extremely heavy losses due to this huge shortcoming, which has shockingly not been addressed.

How interesting that the only difference in the order of battle in terms of equipment has become a critical success factor! What a coincidence!

Please take the armour coverage of a light tank and match it with the anti-tank capabilities of Indian infantry, and let us know your conclusions. Please keep in mind the performance of far less capable anti-tank equipment, again in the hands of the Indian infantry 55 years ago, against the main battle tanks type M48. At that time, they had 57 mm recoilless rifles and 106 mm recoilless rifles. As you might imagine, this capability has been strengthened since then. If you want specific instances of encounters between the two, those are available in plenty.

thx for the correction.

It was not a correction, it was an amplification of the information already with you.

It has aesa radar

Oh, that makes it clear, then. It can shoot down everything everywhere every time. Really smart of you to have spotted this vital difference.

 

[thinkingcap81]

@Joe Shearer What is your opinion of the news that we are reading that the Chinese have occupied heights in some areas? Is the situation the same as what Pak faces due to our occupation of Siachen glacier?

Since the PLA might attempt similar strategies elsewhere, we might find it difficult to anticipate the locations of their actions. Do we do similar things in an attempt to even the score?

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

RSS where art thou!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1277284809773998080

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Joe Shearer What is your opinion of the news that we are reading that the Chinese have occupied heights in some areas? Is the situation the same as what Pak faces due to our occupation of Siachen glacier?

Since the PLA might attempt similar strategies elsewhere, we might find it difficult to anticipate the locations of their actions. Do we do similar things in an attempt to even the score?

Be with you in fifteen/twenty minutes.

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Joe Shearer What is your opinion of the news that we are reading that the Chinese have occupied heights in some areas? Is the situation the same as what Pak faces due to our occupation of Siachen glacier?

Since the PLA might attempt similar strategies elsewhere, we might find it difficult to anticipate the locations of their actions. Do we do similar things in an attempt to even the score?

Very briefly, in mountain warfare, whoever has the heights has the victory. What happened at Kargil was a sausage factory; our generals killed thousands of soldiers in order to cover their mistakes, and our muscular politicians of the BJP made those soldiers fight with one hand tied behind their backs because of their cowardly, rank, odoriferous fear of war.

We have a creature that is not even a hundredth of the stature and the mentality of that fearful custard who did this to the Indian Army (and the Indian Air Force) in 1999. This is a rat to that sheep. You may expect much worse cowardice, much worse interference with the military commanders, and much worse prevarication with the nation; far, far worse than we had seen in 1962, which was the low-water mark until 1999.

Having got that off my chest, the Chinese have occupied the heights at spots where they had created issues during the last 90 days; the issues were older, but represented no friction whatsoever until this latest period.

At one spot, the Galwan Valley, the valley runs at right angles from the Shyok River and goes to the east for quite some distance (not pure east, but in a twisting, turning general direction that way). The Indian Army used to patrol up to some extent within that valley, and up to the heights (nobody then was interested in the steep treacherous heights); recently, the Chinese have gone into areas, on the slopes on both sides of the valley, where nobody had really ventured earlier, and begun their usual antics. They build tracks, pitch tents, patrol forward from those tents, firm up the road, use it to bring up earth-moving machinery, start building concrete structures - barracks, guard-rooms, armouries and the like - and declare that this is the new base-line and everything will be measured forward from that point onwards. This is what they did; they put up tents at a point where the Indian Army had enjoyed free access, and, while agreeing to take them away, mounted a murderous assault when an Indian party tried to remove the two tents.

So they are on the heights, it is likely that they will retreat, but the bad blood will remain.

In the Pangong Tso area, the lake is abutted by hills, and those hills descend to the lake shore in a series of ridges, more or less parallel to each other. This is on the western side, the eastern side being completely dominated by the Chinese. These ridges have been called 'Fingers'; there are eight fingers, and the two sides have patrolled along the tops and along the bottoms of these fingers. Generally, without any documentation or formal agreement to that effect, the Indian Army has occupied the tops (the knuckles,if you like) of the fingers 1 through 4, and patrolled up to 8. The PLA had occupied the top of finger 8, and patrolled up to 1. This has now been disturbed; the PLA has built closely up to finger 5, and up part of the slopes of finger 4, and seemingly do not seem to be willing to retreat. These, too, are heights that have been occupied, and you may wish to have that considered in any reply.

• Is the situation the same as what the Pakistanis face due to our occupying the commanding heights in the Siachen area? Yes, it is; if either side had an interest in patrolling the entire region,then the side occupying the heights has the advantage - it is more or less the military version of the maxim that 'possession is nine points of the law'.
• Will we face difficulties in anticipating the next friction point? No. The Chinese have a number of points of friction, these are well-identified, it is just that their beginning to expand their grip, through that process of using paths, pitching tents, firming up the road, bringing up earth-moving equipment, building permanent structures, is usually sudden and their actions very swift. We simply have not organised ourselves to combat these sudden bursts of activity. So what do we do? We build infrastructure - roads and dwellings - as we have begun to do; only when we can match the Chinese presence on the line of actual control can we spot their renewed activities and counter them. But you asked if that is at all the right answer.
• Do we do similar things in an attempt to even the score? No. Matching the Chinese trains them to think that they may continue, and sometime or the other, they may get lucky. They have to be exceeded. Speaking as a common citizen, without the privileges of authority and insight that military and civilian leadership bestow on an individual, we have to identify spots where our building infrastructure and going forward to the point where the two sides meet and we have to take these up independently, WITHOUT relinquishing the practice of responding to everything that is done by the other side.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[Type59]

Nope. No matter how you spin it. The Russians never designed t 72 or t 90 to work at heights of 4000 metres. 99 percent of Russia is under 1000 metres.

Seeing how 2 Indian t 90s, broke down at tank biathlon in Russia. I must also question maintenance of indian tanks. I bet many will breakdown in Galwan Valley. Obviously for security reasons, IA wont admit it.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

The Russians never designed t 72 or t 90 to work at heights of 4000 metres. 99 percent of Russia is under 1000 metres.

You are right can see the tanks struggling in this propaganda video.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1277313085926109189

 

[21st Century Vampire]

Because IK dropped his wife's Panties in front of world after Aug 5th...

This is not an indian forum so refrain from any perverted comments, ik it's hard for you to think beyond rape, panties and other sexual stuff so do try...to...you know de-Indain-ise yourself

 

[rambro]

This is not an indian forum so refrain from any perverted comments, ik it's hard for pajeets to think beyond rape, panties and other sexual stuff so do try...to...you know de-gangufy yourself

Report him...it deserves an outright ban