I Love Pakistan - Donald Trump

[Jaanbaz]

Thanks OP for giving me a good laugh. This had me in stitches, the way he said it and his rapey smile.

 

[Lurch Adams]

Really u r all not obsessed with Trump?

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There's many more such examples so spare us the nonsense of how Pakistanies are obssessed with him.

I am not Shiv Sena. In fact apart from some people in Mumbai who have elected them to the Municipal corporation no one else in India really is.

As for what those kooks do, let me post an image for your entertainment

The World is full of crazies....

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Trump's love be like, " Dayni ke, ya thanay janaa" Translation of his " Grab them by the Pu**sy

 

[Jaanbaz]

Lets have a rational debate here, do you guys really think after so much badmouthing about islam and pakistan trump would randdomly say that 'I love Pakistan'

Don't be so concerned about Pakistan or Muslims at large. I'm sure there is more chance of you getting trampled by a cow in India then Trump harming Pakistan.

 

[salarsikander]

OK. I think recent history will support your claim that the American attempt at half-hearted intervention has failed. The only intervention that can work is bombing everything to the groud, which would defeat the very purpose of going there.

So dialogue is the way. But what will be the result of this dialogue? If left to Taliban/Haqqanis, Darul Uloom Haqqania will set the agenda for all of Afghanistan. How will that be acceptable to anyone apart from alumni of that University?

I know that when the Taliban were in power, things were quiet in FATA/KPK/Balochistan. But I don't think it was as simple as that. Giving a free hand to these crazies meant that the entire infrastructure which they could effortlessly put into motion once Musharraf decided to co-operate with ISAF was already in place. Do you really want to buy peace by allowing these guys to keep their seminaries/Jihad factories open?

See what goes around their country is no ones business, America have learnt it hard way. With dialogue you start building schools, roads, infrastructure you actually work for the betterment of people and that when they accept you. These people themselves will reject the extremist ideology gradually once everything is in motion. But instead you kill civilians , bomb the shit out of them with half hearted apologies, so you will see Afghan comrades killing their own trainers of ISAF/ NATO.

Secondly do you know the meaning of term Jihad ?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Come on folks!! How can you ever forget that he's after all an American CEO!!!! The most important thing for him is the bottom-line, the rest are all details (to be conveniently forgotten). How many divorces has he had???

Now, if you're fortunate or unfortunate enough to make yourself a room in a line in the earning statement, he'd look for ROI (return on investment). If ROI < 1, may God have mercy upon you!!! The first thing that came to my mind is the NA thugs!!! If ROI > 1, you may assume it to be OK till the next quarter. As for Paks, their interaction is getting smaller, so less possibility of making it up there at all. Even if it's there, ROI>>1, so you should be OK.

On a serious note, he has already popped his plan to invest in infrastructure in his acceptance speech, so ROI>1 for the folks who invested on him in this election. Moreover, Chris Christie (NJ governor) and Rudi Giuliani (ex NYC mayor) are to manage the governmental staffs for him. Now, these folks are from the most diverse and immigartion friendly states, and they know its value...

By the by, his customers and clients with the most fattest wallets were from the Chinese and Arabs. And, I won't be surprised if he asks the Chinese to invest in the US infrastructure..

 

[niaz]

Trump victory shows that majority of US citizens favour the policy of America first and to hell with rest of the world. Is it a bad thing? For a liberal like me, yes. Nevertheless, ultimately this is what the US voters want, whether we like it or not

What does it mean for Pakistan?
Since Trump is against Muslims in general and ISIS in particular; expect he would be tough against Saudi Arabia (bearing in mind reports that Saudis & the Qataris favour ISIS ) and insist that Pakistan take a stronger line against the “good” Taliban. However, except for the countries such as UK, Germany, France, Russia, China, Japan and Israel; US policy towards foreign countries is formulated by the think tanks and the State Department bureaucrats. IMHO, I don’t think Trump will be either better than or any worse for Pakistan compared what Hilary would have been.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

First U turn.. there gonna be more person who hate their centeral and south americans and wants to bring jobs back in usa would never support of people in east jumping in joy of his victory..
HC left afg in coas trump gonna be very blunt in his afpak policy.. i doubt that in comming days india would last long in afg.

Come on folks!! How can you ever forget that he's after all an American CEO!!!! The most important thing for him is the bottom-line, the rest are all details (to be conveniently forgotten). How many divorces has he had???

Now, if you're fortunate or unfortunate enough to make yourself a room in a line in the earning statement, he'd look for ROI (return on investment). If ROI < 1, may God have mercy upon you!!! The first thing that came to my mind is the NA thugs!!! If ROI > 1, you may assume it to be OK till the next quarter. As for Paks, their interaction is getting smaller, so less possibility of making it up there at all. Even if it's there, ROI>>1, so you should be OK.

On a serious note, he has already popped his plan to invest in infrastructure in his acceptance speech, so ROI>1 for the folks who invested on him in this election. Moreover, Chris Christie (NJ governor) and Rudi Giuliani (ex NYC mayor) are to manage the governmental staffs for him. Now, these folks are from the most diverse and immigartion friendly states, and they know its value...

Exactily and i am waiting his amother U turn against china.

 

[Lurch Adams]

See what goes around their country is no ones business, America have learnt it hard way. With dialogue you start building schools, roads, infrastructure you actually work for the betterment of people and that when they accept you. These people themselves will reject the extremist ideology gradually once everything is in motion. But instead you kill civilians , bomb the shit out of them with half hearted apologies, so you will see Afghan comrades killing their own trainers of ISAF/ NATO.

Secondly do you know the meaning of term Jihad ?

I agree that military intervention without a REAL economic/political roadmap is futile. And I also agree that NATO/West should be judged on their continuous bombing campaigns post-9/11 which have killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. This War on Terror quickly turned into a War on children, schools, hospitals, marriages, funeral processions, etc.

But then America's doomed efforts in Afghanistan do not help Pakistan's cause in any way does it? Pakistan will still need to deal with these guys. I am sure you don't propose that a permanent solution with the Taliban at the helm makes sense. Then why not actually co-operate with the US and the government in Kabul?

I did use the word Jihad quite loosely, so let me clarify. I understand that the term means different things to different people. To some it means inner, spiritual struggle. To some, even otherwise, it would imply a struggle against injustice. To others, it has nothing to do with other religions. Many understand it to emphasize legal and diplomatic means, with violence as a last resort.

Let us not get into a debate as to which interpretation is correct. I am sure the way you see it is very different than the way many alumni of the Haqqania seminary see it. Yet, it remains a fact that they do everything in the name of Jihad. So when I used the term, I was not referring to any universally accepted definition, rather the way the term is used by these people.

 

[salarsikander]

I agree that military intervention without a REAL economic/political roadmap is futile. And I also agree that NATO/West should be judged on their continuous bombing campaigns post-9/11 which have killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. This War on Terror quickly turned into a War on children, schools, hospitals, marriages, funeral processions, etc.

But then America's doomed efforts in Afghanistan do not help Pakistan's cause in any way does it? Pakistan will still need to deal with these guys. I am sure you don't propose that a permanent solution with the Taliban at the helm makes sense. Then why not actually co-operate with the US and the government in Kabul?

I did use the word Jihad quite loosely, so let me clarify. I understand that the term means different things to different people. To some it means inner, spiritual struggle. To some, even otherwise, it would imply a struggle against injustice. To others, it has nothing to do with other religions. Many understand it to emphasize legal and diplomatic means, with violence as a last resort.

Let us not get into a debate as to which interpretation is correct. I am sure the way you see it is very different than the way many alumni of the Haqqania seminary see it. Yet, it remains a fact that they do everything in the name of Jihad. So when I used the term, I was not referring to any universally accepted definition, rather the way the term is used by these people.

As I said before working with US gives us no benefit. They left this region in turmoil immediately after soviet withdrawal. The battle hardened mentality only got stronger in this region. The govt In kabul is only there to protect its interests and nothing else. Once NAto leave everything from Govt to its sympathisers will simply vanish.

And the Stakeholder in Afghanistan are Taliban and Haqqanis, like it or not ? So what is wrong in suggesting as such ?

And yes we have at times cooperated a lot more than we needed to with Kabul, but results have been totally opposite from shelling of border to countless blames. They themselves are not liked by locals, so who are we to impose anything on them ?

I believe we are going way off- topic. Please feel free to tag me in a separate thread where we can both exchange and learn

 

[Cookie Monster]

I am not Shiv Sena. In fact apart from some people in Mumbai who have elected them to the Municipal corporation no one else in India really is.

As for what those kooks do, let me post an image for your entertainment

The World is full of crazies....

Exactly the point I was trying to make through sarcasm. U r willing to accept that the world is full of crazies and they exist in India too but that doesn't mean every Indian is like that and yet on the other hand u lumped all Pakistanies together(crazies and sane ones). The reality is similar in Pakistan too. The majority is concerned about their day to day life and problems. They can careless if Trump won or not. Surely it would be talked about bcuz that's the "buzz" but nobody is obsessing over it.

 

[Lurch Adams]

I believe we are going way off- topic. Please feel free to tag me in a separate thread where we can both exchange and learn

Fine. I am sure we will get enough opportunity to discuss this in another thread. Always a pleasure reading your posts so I look forward to it.

Exactly the point I was trying to make through sarcasm. U r willing to accept that the world is full of crazies and they exist in India too but that doesn't mean every Indian is like that and yet on the other hand u lumped all Pakistanies together(crazies and sane ones). The reality is similar in Pakistan too. The majority is concerned about their day to day life and problems. They can careless if Trump won or not. Surely it would be talked about bcuz that's the "buzz" but nobody is obsessing over it.

Fair enough. A majority of Pakistanis and Indians don't care. You are right about that.

I was referring to the keyboard warriors on PDF, who never fail to point out the virtues of martial prowess and atom bombs, and how that will take care of everything. Seems that suddenly they are not so sure.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Fine. I am sure we will get enough opportunity to discuss this in another thread. Always a pleasure reading your posts so I look forward to it.



Fair enough. A majority of Pakistanis and Indians don't care. You are right about that.

I was referring to the keyboard warriors on PDF, who never fail to point out the virtues of martial prowess and atom bombs, and how that will take care of everything. Seems that suddenly they are not so sure.

Ignore those keyboard warriors they have nothing constructive to add besides chest thumping. There has recently been a rise of that kind here on PDF. I'm just glad u r not one of them.

 

[SQ8]

I'd rather take Trump's statements just a while ago: " I know just as much about Pakistan as anyone else".

And that is the actual truth, the policies set before will continue with more right wing tendencies.

 

[GumNaam]

I think he meant he loves the Pakistani prime minister since both are crooked businessmen!