I accept facts and share my view on Jammu and Kashmir

[Sergi]

I was talking of the violence in Kashmir.

So am I. It's just the difference in perspective. Do you ever wonder why rest of the world is silent on the issue.

What you are calling a voilence is a standard SOP followed around the world. Protesters & their type/means of protest decide the reaction. For a sec just assume if this kind of protest is happening in China or Russia. You know the reaction to this. India is far soft state to do what China or Russia can do.

India will disintegrate sooner or later as all multi-ethnic states in history have done.

The day will come when Kashmir will be free.

"Will" .......
And how is everyone sure of this WILL ????
Any crystal ball we are missing here ????
Plz explain.

 

[forcetrip]

There will be a war for Kashmir in the coming years. It is one of those inevitable things. The location is too strategic and is a matter of survival because of the water. Is there anything that can be done from not letting this happen? I am afraid not. Both countries are pretty stupid when it comes to this problem.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Fact 1
Thread in wrong section

Fact 2
It's very difficult but not impossible to get matured discussion in PDF on J&K/Kashmir.

Fact 3
No side has balls and I really say bluntly balls to make LOC as International Border and end dispute based on "as is where is" basis.

Fact 4
The mojo of both sides depends in propaganda derived from disputes. Solving J&K issue by declaring LOC as IB will help India focus on core issues within the country and eliminate poverty, impart quality education, employment to all and bring prosperity to every strata of the society. Pakistan otoh won't have anything bcz for people it's still not CPEC completely or economic prosperity to every citizen yet many voices feel CPEC should be prime agenda. If it was then believe me, ppl would have tried the IB thing in multiple summits again and again and again. Like Musharraf and Clinton solution..

Fact 5
Reluctance of the establishment and non state actors especially the so called terrorists who are armed against India in the name of J&K technically will be jobless. The risk of them turning into mad men case targeting government of Pakistan itself is pretty high especially since establishment themselves will find difficult to focus on new topic of attention.
The other side of the coin, India will also then need to give more guaranteed freedom to J&K ppl with many restrictions like article 370, Armed forces act will have to go and inclusive growth efforts have to be made. In simple words political focus has to change for India as well.

Fact 6
No arms manufacturer will ever like India Pakistan issues to be solved nor major powers including China would like that as well. The market offered is huge by both these countries in terms of arms and ammunition.
Major powers will not like India and Pakistan to combine in the same issues as both will bring their own supporters together implying a major common force in international and strategic affairs against the wishes of those who have upper hand as of today. That list includes folks from US to China to EU.
Think about trade pacts if India Pakistan and allies join together and renegotiate the terms. Can you folks forsee what kind of frightening situation it would be for developed nations who monopolises such practices.

I can write more facts but list will be very long... But then as I said will of people and government itself is to maintain status quo... No side has balls literally...

No side is sincere enough to solve this issue. Never was, never will be.....

That's all folks.. tried to put some of my mind thoughts in here..

@waz @WAJsal @Irfan Baloch @Oscar @WebMaster

Request you to kindly shift the thread to appropriate section.

Regards,

You are mixing up many issues ; Unnecessarily

The first and foremost question is WHY on earth should India accept
The Pakistani and Kashmiri demand of Azadi

Which country donates its land to its enemies

By demanding Kashmir it is Pakistan which does nt want to make LOC as IB

Pakistan believes it can CONQUER Kashmir One day

 

[American Pakistani]

Accept LOC as permanent international border. Pakistan must stop supporting terrorism and India and Pakistan must open border for Kashmiri people with fewer security check. Kashmiri should be allowed to go anywhere in Indian Kashmir and PAk Kashmir. (FOR REST PLACES, THEY SHOULD NOT)

Kindly let me know view with accept above facts. There are many threats for Kashmir solution but none are based on real facts (Most are only propaganda and could not be possible)

Accept LOC rite? And slap on the faces of martyred Kashmiris and Pakistani soldiers?

You must be in real fantasy world if you think Pakistan will accept LOC.

Give them the right of self determination.

The best decision for both countries will be to declare the Chenab river as the border whatever is on the east goes to india (Jammu region and Hindu religious structures) and the part on the west goes to Pakistan.

And it is 7 lakh indian occupier terrorists who are creating havoc by terrorizing kashmiris not the other way around.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

And it is 7 lakh indian occupier terrorists who are creating havoc by terrorizing kashmiris not the other way around.

We can send seven lakh more if required

 

[American Pakistani]

Fact 1. Pakistan will loose entire Balochistan while gunning for Kashmir. Pakistan will become a land locked country like Afghanistan.

Fact 2. There is no other fact.

Satisfied??

@Irfan Baloch @Oscar @WAJsal @waz @Horus

Why this clown is dragging Balochistan?

Can I slap him with the facts of Azad khalistan, assam, tripura, manipur, tamiaddua, South tibet, etc

We can send seven lakh more if required

You can't else you would have already.

 

[Sergi]

There will be a war for Kashmir in the coming years. It is one of those inevitable things. The location is too strategic and is a matter of survival because of the water. Is there anything that can be done from not letting this happen? I am afraid not. Both countries are pretty stupid when it comes to this problem.

You can 100% be sure there WILL NOT be a full scale war on this issue. Cause nobody can win that.
Govt and armies of both side are far more mature than members on PDF

Kargil like situation is another option but you know the eventual result

 

[Stephen Cohen]

You can't else you would have already.

Those seven lakh are ENOUGH to control Kashmir

IF they were NOT enough ; Pakistan would have INVADED and STORMED the LOC

What is Holding Pakistan back

Make no mistake

If Indian Government wants ; CRORES of Indian will flood Kashmir
and finish this problem for ever

 

[PARIKRAMA]

You are mixing up many issues ; Unnecessarily

The first and foremost question is WHY on earth should India accept
The Pakistani and Kashmiri demand of Azadi

Which country donates its land to its enemies

By demanding Kashmir it is Pakistan which does nt want to make LOC as IB

Pakistan believes it can CONQUER Kashmir One day

Please tell me who from India is present in so called Kashmir under Pakistani establishment or Azad Kashmir.

Also who from Pakistan is in J&K.

None of the land under control of each individual country will ever change hands or anyone side will be able to caste it off and capture that territory.. the attempts may be many officially, unofficially, proxy wise and using non state elements to keep the issue boiling in international arena but nothing will ever change.

The fact remains both sides are not having balls to let bygones be bygones and move on bcz it's a ego tussle in front of domestic masses who has been fooled for decades after decades.

If India accepts LoC as IB what will India lose? What will Pakistan Lose if they accept LOC as IB?

It's basically the policies of so long time that goes to drain and thus no one wants to accept the bitter but very simple and effective solution.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

There will be a war for Kashmir in the coming years. It is one of those inevitable things. The location is too strategic and is a matter of survival because of the water. Is there anything that can be done from not letting this happen? I am afraid not. Both countries are pretty stupid when it comes to this problem.

Sure let us have a war ; we are ever ready

We want to see what price are YOU willing to pay for Kashmir

If India accepts LoC as IB what will India lose? What will Pakistan Lose if they accept LOC as IB?

It's basically the policies of so long time that goes to drain and thus no one wants to accept the bitter but very simple and effective solution.

So you want Indian Government to give an OFFER to Pakistan to Make LOC as IB

And what will Pakistan say

" We want the WHOLE of kashmir and we will take it "

Let this offer come from Pakistan

 

[Soulspeek]

When your clowns can dream of disintegration of India, who is stopping us to dream about disintegration of you?

@Irfan Baloch @Oscar @WAJsal @waz @Horus

Why this clown is dragging Balochistan?

Can I slap him with the facts of Azad khalistan, assam, tripura, manipur, tamiaddua, South tibet, etc



You can't else you would have already.

 

[American Pakistani]

Those seven lakh are ENOUGH to control Kashmir

IF they were NOT enough ; Pakistan would have INVADED and STORMED the LOC

What is Holding Pakistan back

Make no mistake

If Indian Government wants ; CRORES of Indian will flood Kashmir
and finish this problem for ever

Why pakistan show itself as aggressor to prove your at claims where your media fabricated stories and accused pakistan of aggressor, taking full advantage of no media groups in Pakistan.

Pakistan was waiting in 2008 for india to attack but indian forces collapsed and refused.

Pakistan currently is in the final steps of cleaning up it's western frotiers, the situation is improving as every year passes.

Send your crore of indians and then see what millions of kashmiris will do. You really think they will sit idle and let indians in?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

You can 100% be sure there WILL NOT be a full scale war on this issue. Cause nobody can win that.
Govt and armies of both side are far more mature than members on PDF

Kargil like situation is another option but you know the eventual result

So you mean to say that we should depend on the enemy's goodwill rather than
our strength

IF Pakistan has NOT dared to attack India ; it is because of India's strength

 

[Sergi]

Accept LOC rite? And slap on the faces of martyred Kashmiris and Pakistani soldiers?

You must be in real fantasy world if you think Pakistan will accept LOC.

Give them the right of self determination.

The best decision for both countries will be to declare the Chenab river as the border whatever is on the east goes to india (Jammu region and Hindu religious structures) and the part on the west goes to Pakistan.

And it is 7 lakh indian occupier terrorists who are creating havoc by terrorizing kashmiris not the other way around.

If I may reply,

1. Yes it's a fantasy to say either Ind or Pak accept LOC as IB but sarcastically it's rational that Ind or Pak will get the other part of Kashmir!!!!! Is it ????

2. Right to self determination was option in early days. I hope you know who threw it to away

3. The best decision isn't always the right decision. There are parts in Pak which also can qualify for point 2&3. You might not like that.

4. @Joe Shearer Your favourite part of 7lakh theory so must tag you sorry

 

[American Pakistani]

When your clowns can dream of disintegration of India, who is stopping us to dream about disintegration of you?

No one is dreaming of disintegration of india. Show me one post.