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Huawei-Free 5G: 'US May Reinvent Wheel But Will Need New Standards'
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04:00 GMT 18.06.2020

US companies will be allowed to cooperate with Huawei in the development of 5G standards, according to new rules from the Department of Commerce. It has been reported that the new measure is not a step towards easing things for the Chinese company, but is only aimed at maintaining the competitiveness of American producers.

Not only businessmen, but even some US politicians, including anti-Chinese hawks such as Marko Rubio and Tom Cotton, have expressed concern that Huawei's blacklisting could have a negative impact on American companies.

They sent a letter to the Department of Commerce, Department of State, and the Pentagon in which the senators stressed the need to develop legislation that would ensure US participation in the development of world standards for 5G.

They also drew the attention of the Commerce Department to the fact that sanctions against Chinese companies should not prevent the United States from taking a leading position in developing international technology standards.

US companies have refused to engage with any Chinese partners to avoid secondary sanctions following Huawei's blacklisting last year. The tough rules from the Department of Commerce were aimed precisely at limiting the transfer to China of any American technology and other intellectual property. However, the development of international standards involves the disclosure of information about technology.

Therefore, cooperation between US and Chinese companies in the field of developing standards has effectively been suspended.

So it turns out that it wasn't Chinese companies that were affected, but American enterprises. Meanwhile, China holds a firm position in international standardisation organisations.

In less than 10 years, the number of representatives from China in the secretariats of the technical committees of the International Organisation for Standardisation (ISO) has increased by 73%. The number of Chinese companies participating as voting members in 3GPP, which deals with specifications for mobile telephony, has now reached 110.

That's more than twice the number of US voting members. China heads four specialised UN agencies: FAO, ICAO, ITU, and the UN Department of Economic and Social Affairs. At the same time, no other country heads more than one specialised UN organisation.

Therefore, the termination of cooperation with China has only led to the exclusion of the US from the global standards development processes, including those of 5G networks. At present, Chinese companies own about 35% of all 5G patents. However, American companies account for only 13% of patents.

The fact that the US has allowed its companies to cooperate in the development of standards with China's Huawei means that global telecommunications of the 5th generation can no longer be established without China's participation, Professor Thomas Canhao Xu from the School of Computer Science and Technology at Soochow University told Sputnik.

“Huawei now holds a very large share of the world's 5G patents, and these are fundamental patents, and in general, 5G standards have already been formed. The US may start reinventing the wheel, but then they will need new 5G standards. However, it's a huge amount of work, obviously an impossible task”, he said.
There have been cases when the US has adopted other standards, including in the area of mobile communications. For example, Europe adopted the GSM 900/1800 standard, and the US – GSM 850/1900.

Furthermore, US mobile providers have been actively developing the CDMA standard for a long time, which was almost immediately superseded by GSM in Europe.

However, in 5G networks, which should provide not only mobile communication, but also give a qualitative leap to the development of related industries, such as the Internet of Things, augmented reality, self-driving cars, and artificial intelligence, the harmonisation of standards is the key to the successful development of global digitalisation.

China, for its part, is ready for international cooperation even in areas where it has competence. For example, China Unicom has given Nokia the opportunity to build about 10% of its 5G root networks, even though Chinese tech giants, Huawei and ZTE, can provide competitive solutions in this field and their equipment is applied in the development of 5G networks worldwide.

Nevertheless, the process of building 5th generation networks is a global task and no country will be able to successfully tackle it alone, expert Thomas Canhao Xu said.

“I believe the key point is international cooperation. No country can now fully achieve the goal of 5G networks alone. Building 5G networks is a complex process, and Huawei is not the only one with core competencies in this field. There are also companies such as ZTE, Samsung, Nokia, Ericsson - they all own a lot of major patents, which one cannot do without. Therefore, international cooperation in this area is very important, and no company can take a monopoly position in the 5G network development market alone”, he concluded.



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The US seems to have finally started to realise this. According to the US Department of Commerce, those companies that before Huawei's blacklisting could share their technology and other intellectual property with the company without any licenses can now freely cooperate with the Chinese tech giant once again, but only in order to form international standards.


The Department of Commerce notes that the US intends to maintain its global technological leadership in new generation networks. However, for the time being, Washington is overdue. China plans to build 600,000 5G base stations by the end of 2020.

Meanwhile, according to the calculations of the analytical company Bernstein Research, the US will at best build 10,000 such base stations by the same time.
 
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Award Elon Musk to build 5G network, he will in less than 3 months. Usa has more than enough sources for this but it's all about money in the end.
 
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Award Elon Musk to build 5G network, he will in less than 3 months. Usa has more than enough sources for this but it's all about money in the end.

Tesla / Elon Musk are good at making money but I do not know what technology his company has actually invented. He just use old technologies from Russia (for his space program) and China/Korea (for his electric car).

Never heard about Tesla in annual WIPO patents.
 
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Tesla / Elon Musk are good at making money but I do not know what technology his company has actually invented. He just use old technologies from Russia (for his space program) and China/Korea (for his electric car).

Never heard about Tesla in annual WIPO patents.

Hmm.. Interesting approach but I am not agree with you.

No need to re-invent the wheel, technology something that evolves constantly my friend. Electronics started with the invention of radio diode and vacuum triode in 1800s then everybody put another brick for the wall till today's microchips. Every single invention triggered one another. So Russians made rockets but not the whole rocket tech, they made it evolve. Just like SpaceX owns the most developed space rockets right now. So everybody used and uses the older technology of someone else to make it even better.

Elon Musk is a billinoire and can hire the most brilliant scientist on the planet if he wants to do something. His companies have many patents for their inventions. Make a quick search for;

- Tesla
- SpaceX
- Neurolink
- Hyperloop
- Starlink etc.
 
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There is no doubt Huawei is couple of step ahead in 5G race . however other companies like Ericsson and Nokia are not far behind either.

Ericsson Dev departments in China as well ( dont know about nokia , however it should be there ). And engineer / resources can be hired and push for R&D.
its all about $$ in R&D. As soon as first 5G huawei network will be deployed overseas . 6 months later you will see boom from other companies.

Regarding Elon Musk : Big fan of him , he can do anything. step towards 5G as well.
 
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Tesla / Elon Musk are good at making money but I do not know what technology his company has actually invented. He just use old technologies from Russia (for his space program) and China/Korea (for his electric car).

Never heard about Tesla in annual WIPO patents.
They are also good at acting like they are doing something innovative and revolutionary with a straight face while showing off crap like that Hyperloop rustbucket they built that isn't just piss poor undergrad failing grade engineering work and falling apart before even finishing tests, but utterly unimpressive and failing to achieve anything noteworthy, other than the massive waste of money it is.

But the complicit American coorporate media hushes it all up. They dont have honest press like in China were such failures are objectively reported and problems critizised at the same level these ambitional projects are promoted and reported on in their initital phase. Especially when public money is involved
 
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They are also good at acting like they are doing something innovative and revolutionary with a straight face while showing off crap like that Hyperloop rustbucket they built that isn't just piss poor undergrad failing grade engineering work and falling apart before even finishing tests, but utterly unimpressive and failing to achieve anything noteworthy, other than the massive waste of money it is.

But the complicit American coorporate media hushes it all up. They dont have honest press like in China were such failures are objectively reported and problems critizised at the same level these ambitional projects are promoted and reported on in their initital phase. Especially when public money is involved

Ah yes all the numerous threads here written with a straight face touting the innovative and revolutionary Chinese for thinking up the "Elevated bus". You guys ate it up like candy...even though a 5 year old could tell you it isn't going to work.
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Check out the "lone dumb German" trying to convince the "educated" Chinese members that it isn't a good solution at all:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/china-worlds-first-model-of-the-transit-explore-bus-unveiled.437766/
China: World’s first model of the Transit Explore Bus unveiled


Oh and don't forget to peruse a few of the other threads on this proud "China invented" engineering marvel (the world will happily give you credit for this whopper):
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/china-invented-new-bus-system-to-solve-busy-traffic-problem.351976/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/elevated-bus-debuts-at-beijing-international-expo.431913/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/trial-operation-of-driverless-bus-successful-in-china.396451/

So after raising over $1 Billion from investors...
https://www.autoblog.com/2017/07/04/chinas-elevated-bus-scam-followup/
China's 'elevated' bus was a scam after all
 
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Ah yes all the numerous threads here written with a straight face touting the innovative and revolutionary Chinese for thinking up the "Elevated bus". You guys ate it up like candy...even though a 5 year old could tell you it isn't going to work.
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Check out the "lone dumb German" trying to convince the "educated" Chinese members that it isn't a good solution at all:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/china-worlds-first-model-of-the-transit-explore-bus-unveiled.437766/
China: World’s first model of the Transit Explore Bus unveiled


Oh and don't forget to peruse a few of the other threads on this proud "China invented" engineering marvel (the world will happily give you credit for this whopper):
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/china-invented-new-bus-system-to-solve-busy-traffic-problem.351976/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/elevated-bus-debuts-at-beijing-international-expo.431913/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/trial-operation-of-driverless-bus-successful-in-china.396451/

So after raising over $1 Billion from investors...
https://www.autoblog.com/2017/07/04/chinas-elevated-bus-scam-followup/
China's 'elevated' bus was a scam after all

US has plenty of scams, for instance, the blood test scam etc.

And we all know Musk is a hype-builder, but americans love loudmouth and hypes. If he was Chinese, he would have been fled to the US and hide from his debt collectors like Jie Yueting now.
 
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And we all know Musk is a hype-builder, but americans love loudmouth and hypes.

The man delivers. His products work. Say what you want but he starts a company from absolute zero and takes it passed the competition (even government agencies) fairly quickly (Reusable rocket: Falcon 9, Most powerful rocket:Falcon Heavy, Most spaceship manned capacity: 7 Crew Dragon, EVs: Tesla autos). We can all cry a river for the SpaceX/Tesla shareholders if we feel they are stupid/smart.

f he was Chinese, he would have been fled to the US

There's certainly no shortage of Chinese who have moved to the US.

like Jie Yueting now.
Ah yes the Chinese EV scammer behind Faraday Future/LeEco/Lucid Motors. A long line of "Tesla killers" down the drain.


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https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fara...targets-tesla-with-1-billion-us-plant.407579/
Faraday Future, a Chinese-backed startup, targets Tesla with $1 billion US plant


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https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/leeco-unveils-all-electric-concept-car.427613/
China's LeEco teases its very own autonomous electric car

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Lucid
 
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US has plenty of scams, for instance, the blood test scam etc.

And we all know Musk is a hype-builder, but americans love loudmouth and hypes. If he was Chinese, he would have been fled to the US and hide from his debt collectors like Jie Yueting now.


China would kill for an innovator like Musk. In fact, it’s likely SpaceX will have sent more humans into space by 2021 than China in its ENTIRE history. SpaceX is already ahead of China and will completely leave you behind when Starship reaches orbit.
 
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China would kill for an innovator like Musk. In fact, it’s likely SpaceX will have sent more humans into space by 2021 than China in its ENTIRE history. SpaceX is already ahead of China and will completely leave you behind when Starship reaches orbit.

That's with a far less budget and far fewer engineers.
 
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Check out the "lone dumb German" trying to convince the "educated" Chinese members that it isn't a good solution at all:
Ah yes the many and 2 Chinese posters with such rabid and ignorant opinions such as "put it to test and see what happens." posting a handfull startup promo videos.

Clearly the millions of delusional fans and hundreds of U.S. propaganda proxies still cheering on and promoting PR scams like Musks endlessly touted Hyperloop project, that managed to fail building a "simple" proper airtight tube and a proper oversimplified maglev and failed to deliver anything of value until this day, pale in comparison.

Not reaching at all here for that, what do you kids call it all the time, "whataboutism"?
 
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Clearly the millions of delusional fans and U.S. media still promoting PR scams like Musks endlessly touted Hyperloop project, that managed to fail builduing a proper airtight tube nor a proper oversimplified maglev yet, cannot compete with that

There's still Hyperloop projects being worked on. Not sure why you think it has been dropped.
Hyperloop was an idea by Musk. His companies aren't actively developing it.

A couple of other companies are however:

Feb 24, 2020

Nov 13, 2019

Jun 9, 2020
 
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