How to nulify US strategical advantage around China

[AMDR]

I remember in the 80's or 90's the US tested an anti-satellite missile, using an F15.

you are correct sir.

August 1985, Successful intercept with ASM-135 ASAT

 

[Indus Falcon]

you are correct sir.

August 1985, Successful intercept with ASM-135 ASAT
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Any details?

 

[AMDR]

Any details?

From wiki

"On 20 August 1985 President Reaganauthorized a test against a satellite. The test was delayed to provide notice to the United States Congress. The target was the Solwind P78-1, an orbiting solar observatory that was launched on 24 February 1979.[7]

On 13 September 1985, Maj. Wilbert D. "Doug" Pearson, flying the "Celestial Eagle" F-15A 76-0084 launched an ASM-135 ASAT about 200 miles (322 km) west of Vandenberg Air Force Base and destroyed the Solwind P78-1 satellite flying at an altitude of 345 miles (555 km). Prior to the launch the F-15 flying at Mach 1.22 executed a 3.8g zoom climb at an angle of 65 degrees. The ASM-135 ASAT was automatically launched at 38,100 ft while the F-15 was flying at Mach .934.[7] The 30 lb (13.6 kg) MHV collided with the 2,000 lb (907 kg) Solwind P78-1 satellite at closing velocity of 15,000 mph (24,140 km/h).[9]"

Also on wiki it said that the program was cancelled in 1988 due to program cost and delays, but who knows if it ever really was.

 

[Indus Falcon]

From wiki

"On 20 August 1985 President Reaganauthorized a test against a satellite. The test was delayed to provide notice to the United States Congress. The target was the Solwind P78-1, an orbiting solar observatory that was launched on 24 February 1979.[7]

On 13 September 1985, Maj. Wilbert D. "Doug" Pearson, flying the "Celestial Eagle" F-15A 76-0084 launched an ASM-135 ASAT about 200 miles (322 km) west of Vandenberg Air Force Base and destroyed the Solwind P78-1 satellite flying at an altitude of 345 miles (555 km). Prior to the launch the F-15 flying at Mach 1.22 executed a 3.8g zoom climb at an angle of 65 degrees. The ASM-135 ASAT was automatically launched at 38,100 ft while the F-15 was flying at Mach .934.[7] The 30 lb (13.6 kg) MHV collided with the 2,000 lb (907 kg) Solwind P78-1 satellite at closing velocity of 15,000 mph (24,140 km/h).[9]"

Also on wiki it said that the program was cancelled in 1988 due to program cost and delays, but who knows if it ever really was.

Even "IF" it was shutdown, the data and know how, still exists. I'm sure they must have something in their arsenal, just in case.

 

[xunzi]

Can China nullified the Strategic Advantage from the US? The simple answer is no.

Nuclear weapon and or their re-entry vehicle are only there to deter other from attacking. However, many people did not realise that in case of a thermonuclear war, the war does not ends with Country launching their nude. But still about ground force fighting in enemy territories after nuke was launched. That is why soldier on either side (I actually don't know about China) are trained to fight under CNBR condition.

considered the war value of space launch nuclear weapon, unless China or any country can develop a rapid launch sequence that would virtually impact and destroy the United States before the US can launch their Nuclear Arsenal. That is, completely destroy the US before US can launch it ground based Silo, otherwise it would be a moot point as if you have given US enough time to response, the end result will be the same, that is US will launch a full retaliatory strike and destroy the attacker. Then there are still sub based nuke.

Launching without US knowing does not equal to US does not know a nuclear strike is coming from outer space. So, that render the space launch nuke useless (or at the same level as any ground based nuke) hence that changes nothing

In a nuclear war or a blind war which is what we want to fight with the US, our chance increase dramatically. The US solider suck without advance weapon.

 

[Oldman1]

Nowaday US has setup their nukes at vincinty of China such as in Japan and SK, also they have installed all kind of earlier warning sensors to detect Chinese strategical missile deployment and actvities and with anti-missile such THAAD, it will be hard for China to achieve the second nuclear strike but if China made strategical space shutlle to carrier Nuke warhead that can fly to space and orbiting directly above US, we can achieve the most effective counter strike, we can virturally strike any location of US without warning, it can be as effective as strategical nuclear submerine.

Space will be a future high tech conflict platform that only some countries can master it, when China make the strategical spaceplane that can carry nuke warhead, US will lost all the advantage that they currently has. Imagine with 10 of these spaceplane that can carrier 10 warhead each and fly from China control aerospace and safely orbiting, we will add another dimension of deterrent capability.

U.S. Space Command can see and detect such things. You launch a space shuttle type, we know it and observe. Just like we detect Russian bombers and send aircraft to meet them.
And in case you try to destroy our satellites.

Due to current treaty to prevent a direct deployment of Nukes on earth orbitial, spaceplane or space bomber is not different from the current strategic bomber, the warheads still conceal within the inner bay of the spacecraft so noneone can see what we have inside the spaceplane. the unmanned spaceplane can be set to be on the orbit for years until the decisive moment to put the good use of it.

When Russia send this bear patroling US coast, Amercians don't know what is inside, nuke or conventional weapon.... this has created alot of psycholofgical deterrence. Same for Spaceplane, American can't stop China to check what is inside before lauching into the orbit.

 

[jhungary]

In a nuclear war or a blind war which is what we want to fight with the US, our chance increase dramatically. The US solider suck without advance weapon.

lol, you know this from the eternal amount of time of soldiering yourselves??

Fighting a ground war always mean you fight without advance weapon, so it render what you said a total MOOT point.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

It's better to have submarines. It's only a matter of time before the US starts testing orbital railguns and lasers as anti-satellite weapons. The X37 isn't up there making birthday cakes.

Well if a "space vehicle" carrying nukes detects an incoming threat, what do you think the response will be?

Same response you get when attacking any other assets that are carrying nuclear weapons. It forces a "use it or lose it" mentality, which is an extremely dangerous game of chicken.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Well if a "space vehicle" carrying nukes detects an incoming threat, what do you think the response will be?

Same response you get when attacking any other assets that are carrying nuclear weapons. It forces a "use it or lose it" mentality, which is an extremely dangerous game of chicken.

I thought this whole thread was about 2nd strike ability?

I think there isn't any question about hostilities at that point.
The thing is how effective would it be for second strike if it was probably targeted during the first? Submarines are harder to target than some vehicle that has been circling the globe for months (or years).

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I thought this whole thread was about 2nd strike ability?

I think there isn't any question about hostilities at that point.
The thing is how effective would it be for second strike if it was probably targeted during the first? Submarines are harder to target than some vehicle that has been circling the globe for months (or years).

Fair point.

It would definitely be a lot more visible than a submarine, and thus would be targeted during a first strike.

 

[DrawingDead]

@Kiss_of_the_Dragon - I think our mutual economic interests are a bigger deterrent than any weapon system either one of us can field. You don't want to sacrifice the richest market in the world and we don't want to sacrifice the biggest market in the world. That's our MAD. Here's to years of peace and prosperity

In a nuclear war or a blind war which is what we want to fight with the US, our chance increase dramatically. The US solider suck without advance weapon.

I think you should change your name. Your stupidity brings much shame to Master Xun.

 

[xunzi]

lol, you know this from the eternal amount of time of soldiering yourselves??

Fighting a ground war always mean you fight without advance weapon, so it render what you said a total MOOT point.

Put your troop on the ground and fight with ISIS without air support and see how good you got your *** kick. LOL

 

[Esc8781]

Put your troop on the ground and fight with ISIS without air support and see how good you got your *** kick. LOL

Depends. Is there any rules of engagement keeping prohibiting the US soldiers from totally decimating them? If ISIS operate conventionally instead of guerrilla tactics they will get their asses handed to them.

 

[xunzi]

Depends. Is there any rules of engagement keeping prohibiting the US soldiers from totally decimating them? If ISIS operate conventionally instead of guerrilla tactics they will get their asses handed to them.

That because you got bigger gun and more advance support weapon. When it comes to the will to fight and endure the dirt of war, your solider stink. LOL

 

[Esc8781]

When it comes to the will to fight and endure the dirt of war, your solider stink

Nah, that seems like the US public. Also remember, most of these long conflict arises from the ROE.