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How to fight a civilized war against an uncivilized enemy

Nowadays an anti-Semite is somebody who is hated by a certain type of Zionist
You've subscribed to the notion that the definition of an antisemite can only by subjective - and therefore deniable - rather than objective. Changing the English language to define green and blue doesn't deserve much respect, does it? It's something an uncivilized criminal would do, yes? - for a civilized person would stick to honest weights and measures.
 
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An insight into what the "civilized" Brits were training to do, in case of a Nazi occupation...
(edit: training 12 year old kids to do beheading, join terrorist squads etc, etc.)


You've subscribed to the notion that the definition of an antisemite can only by subjective - and therefore deniable - rather than objective. Changing the English language to define green and blue doesn't deserve much respect, does it? It's something an uncivilized criminal would do, yes? - for a civilized person would stick to honest weights and measures.

As expected, you missed the whole point.

At issue is not the definition of anti-Semitism, but use of that word.
More precisely, it is about the abuse and cheapening of that word by the Zionists.

As I wrote, the Zionists are the biggest anti-Semites in this world, because they cheapen the suffering of the Holocaust victims and genuine victims of anti-Jewish racism.
 
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You've been reading from the "Palestinian" playbook wayyyy too long. You're not new here, either, so you've read my pocket histories before - and you've doubtless noticed that only rarely can anyone substantiate a contradiction to them.

Pakistanis in Pakistan are forbidden by diktat to contradict the official line but you sir are in America and have more freedom of dissent. Why don't you use it to move your country forward?

This goes back to a popular theme of mine: that it's Pakistani rejection of Israel that creates radical Islam. The diseased thinking I've described is sustained by the powers-that-be because without it Israel would be judged good and better than her Muslim enemies - an unacceptable conclusion - and besides popular antisemitism keeps the populace from examining who is raiding the public till.


Sir,

Pakistanis are not anti semitic---they just ask questions---questions that some don't like. Many a Pakistanis of my age group have a great respect for the Israelis warring capabilities---most of us would have wanted to recognize Israel and if we had any way to force the issue---we would have forced Arafat to have signed the peace deal.

Solomon----we do not have a dog in this fight. Wipe away our foreign debts---get us away from being dependant on the arabs and we will recognize Israel----. We have more in common with Israel that that any other arab nation except for religion.

The U S had the opportunity to do it after 9/11---. Musharraf asked about wiping off and paying of Pakistani debts---the U S refused---if they could have put the condition of recognition with payoff----that time was the best opportunity.
 
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At issue is not the definition of anti-Semitism, but use of that word. More precisely, it is about the abuse and cheapening of that word by the Zionists. As I wrote, the Zionists are the biggest anti-Semites in this world, because they cheapen the suffering of the Holocaust victims and genuine victims of anti-Jewish racism.
The issue of this thread is "how to fight a civilized war against an uncivilized enemy." Bringing in your circular arguments, conflations, and re-definitions are dishonest and uncivilized acts.
 
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The issue of this thread is "how to fight a civilized war against an uncivilized enemy." Bringing in your circular arguments, conflations, and re-definitions are dishonest and uncivilized acts.

My comments are entirely on topic since they go to the question of who is more "civilized" in this conflict.

Racist colonization -- as done by Afrikaners to the black Africans, and as done by Zionists to the Palestinians -- is uncivilized.
 
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Solomon----we do not have a dog in this fight. Wipe away our foreign debts---get us away from being dependant on the arabs and we will recognize Israel----
The Arabs have their psychological hooks into you, hooks reinforced through the Pakistani government, whose official policy is that it's forbidden for Pakistanis to have their own opinion about the Palestinian narrative. You can either oppose that directly by openly supporting Israel or fight for greater freedom of speech and expression in Pakistan. But if you don't exercise the muscle it's going to continue to atrophy rather than get stronger.

Wiping out your debts has nothing to do with it - a more accepting and less radical society would be more attractive to foreign investors and that would mean more debt, rather than less. Putin just wiped out 90% of North Korea's debt to Moscow, probably because N.K. has no hope of servicing it. Meanwhile the U.S. is trillions in debt to China but can service its debt. Debt that you can service is no evil thing.

My comments are entirely on topic since they go to the question of who is more "civilized" in this conflict. Racist colonization -- as done by Afrikaners to the black Africans, and as done by Zionists to the Palestinians -- is uncivilized.
Deliberately lying about to label your interlocutor as uncivilized is itself uncivilized, D-po.
 
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The Arabs have their psychological hooks into you, hooks reinforced through the Pakistani government, whose official policy is that it's forbidden for Pakistanis to have their own opinion about the Palestinian narrative. You can either oppose that directly by openly supporting Israel or fight for greater freedom of speech and expression in Pakistan. But if you don't exercise the muscle it's going to continue to atrophy rather than get stronger.

Wiping out your debts has nothing to do with it - a more accepting and less radical society would be more attractive to foreign investors and that would mean more debt, rather than less. Putin just wiped out 90% of North Korea's debt to Moscow, probably because N.K. has no hope of servicing it. Meanwhile the U.S. is trillions in debt to China but can service its debt. Debt that you can service is no evil thing.

Deliberately lying about to label your interlocutor as uncivilized is itself uncivilized, D-po.

Sir,

The arabs have their financial hooks into us----north korea IS NOT A GOOD EXAMPLE----BECAUSE THEY HAD A DICTATORS AND THERE WAS FREEDOM AS IN PAKISTAN---.

Solomon---you cannot be right all the time---" THE ENEMY HAS A SAY AS WELL "---. The US had Pakistan where it wanted it----Musharraf already had started dialogue with Israel---it just needed a final push---a massive financial push.

With Pakistan on its side----many a muslim countries would have followed thru----it was not a heavy price to pay---.

Solomon---israel failed that opportunity pretty badly.
 
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Sir,

This is a disgusting and pathetic article---. These people---the islamic jihad did not put you into the prison camps----they did not slaughter you your children your mothers fathers uncles and generations---they did not put you into the gas chambers--and neither did they put you into the furnaces---and nor did they starve you to death or rape your women or pillage you lands---.

Their only tragedy is that you stole their lands by force---their only tragedy is that you again gets weapons of death and destruction from those who slaughtered you by the millions to use on those whose properties you have stolen.

You created " the supposed radical islam " ---- just like the germans created radical jews. You sit on the land stolen from them----you keep on stealing more land and if these people fight back---it becomes " radical islam "----what radical islam----there is no such thing as radical islam----what a drama.

Hi,

The American and the allies did treat the germans fairly----but the germans were rough with the ally prisoners----otoh----the atrocities committed by the Japanese against the allies and Europeans were beyond being ruthless---beyond comprehension---one type of atrocity was anything beyond human that was committed by the Japanese against the European families they had captured----here is the detail---if you are weak of heart and don't want to read it---you can stop here----

Anyway----on the beam of the roof a rope would be hung with a noose at the end----a father would be asked to stand under it---his child was placed on his shoulders----the noose put around the childs neck and tightened without slack---the game was that how long the father would be able to keep standing to save his child---and that was done right in front of the families----there was no happy ending.

What is the reason that the americans and the british have not openly come out with the atrocities that the Japanese committed against them in their prison camps----I donot know---.

Does that answer a part of your statement.

you must be supporter of ISIS too...
 
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you must be supporter of ISIS too...

Sir,

Pleas allow me to say that your's is amongst the stupidest and thoughtless post of the month.

How to fight a civilized war against an uncivilized enemy:---

Hi,

Time is against the state--" a supposed civilized enemy "---in every conflict---there is a bone of contention---there are issues that have started the war----.

For a war of occupation---there is no end---. Now in this conflict---who is civilized and who is not---the people who owned the land and lived there peacefully---or those who lived in foreign lands over thousand + years----had all civiltay taken out of them by their captors and only left them with a sense of vengeance and brutality---. So---in due time the uncivilized jew became civilized and the civilized and simple palestinians became uncivilized people----wallah---indeed fate is the hunter----kismet----.

So what is civility----the U S military kills over a million afghans during its watch---and them over a million and a half Iraqis as well----and so now who is civil----so Solomon---" Who is the king and who is not the king "!
 
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Sir,

Pleas allow me to say that your's is amongst the stupidest and thoughtless post of the month.

How to fight a civilized war against an uncivilized enemy:---

Hi,

Time is against the state--" a supposed civilized enemy "---in every conflict---there is a bone of contention---there are issues that have started the war----.

For a war of occupation---there is no end---. Now in this conflict---who is civilized and who is not---the people who owned the land and lived there peacefully---or those who lived in foreign lands over thousand + years----had all civiltay taken out of them by their captors and only left them with a sense of vengeance and brutality---. So---in due time the uncivilized jew became civilized and the civilized and simple palestinians became uncivilized people----wallah---indeed fate is the hunter----kismet----.

So what is civility----the U S military kills over a million afghans during its watch---and them over a million and a half Iraqis as well----and so now who is civil----so Solomon---" Who is the king and who is not the king "!

with all due respect sir,
terrorists are terrorists whether it be ISIS or Palestine terrorist groups. nothing can justify killing innocent people.
i agree Palestine people are suffering a lot but terrorism can not be answer to that.
 
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with all due respect sir,
terrorists are terrorists whether it be ISIS or Palestine terrorist groups. nothing can justify killing innocent people.
i agree Palestine people are suffering a lot but terrorism can not be answer to that.

Sir,

If you think that your forefathers and mine were terrorists who fought to kick the britsh out of india---then indeed the Palestinians are terrorists.

So by that standard---the americans were also terrorists who kicked out ther british rulers from America---.

But it was absolutely stupid of you to mention me in your comment about isis.
 
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OPINION
By ERIC R. MANDEL \
12/28/2014

How to fight a civilized war against an uncivilized enemy
This is not a war of financial resources; it is a battle of power and determination.
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An Islamic Jihad militant attends an anti-Israel rally in Rafah.. (photo credit:REUTERS)

How do you fight a war against an enemy who loves death more than they love life? How do you fight a war against a people who, in the name of religion, deliberately kill, enslave and torture innocent children, women and men? How do you maintain a moral compass while confronting an enemy with no respect for the rules of war? To begin to answer these questions, we must start with an honest examination of our security interests.

In this “war,” military operations will likely be choices of last resort, but our chance for success will be drastically limited unless we confront this enemy as if we were in a full-scale military confrontation. Our current ad-hoc military operations, i.e. drone strikes, will be ineffective over the long term unless they are part of a comprehensive strategy with a clear vision for success.

Seventy-nine years ago, we faced an enemy that was pure evil, and it was known as Nazism. But then, unlike now, we knew that absolute evil had to be extinguished by one means or another.

In the case of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, the answer was their unconditional surrender.

In the case of Communism during the Cold War (remember Ronald Reagan’s “evil empire”?), there was no quick exit. There were many military battles and diplomatic skirmishes fought over decades, with no end in sight, until the very end. Yet the non-wavering vision in each case was to bring home as complete a victory as possible, knowing that America and the West were in the right, and the enemy was beyond the civilized pale.

Today’s “evil empire” is radical jihadist Islamism, the 21st century version of Nazism. The jihadists of all sectarian stripes, i.e. Sunni and Shi’ite, expect victory, because their (accurate) assessment of the West is that it does not have the willpower to fight an enemy without a clear exit strategy, or one that may not be vanquished in their lifetime. So we need to ask ourselves: • Are we willing to map out an effective and flexible strategy to destroy, or at least profoundly weaken, radical Islamism, knowing many obstacles and setbacks lie ahead? • Is there a visionary Western leader on the horizon in the 21st century who can look beyond our need for instant gratification and explain that we must confront the menace of jihadism because over time it could destroy and threaten all that we hold dear? • Does the West in the era of 24/7 instantaneous news coverage have the “stomach” to fight a war where all of its actions will be under a magnifying glass, and withstand the inevitable accusations of war crimes for killing civilians purposely embedded within terrorist operating bases? • Can the West fight an enemy that measures success in centuries, has infinite patience, and has tens of millions of adherents and supporters? • Is it too late for America and the West to act? The answer to that last question is no, but it seems that only the Israelis understand the existential dangers posed by radical Islamism. Perhaps that is because it is their survival that is most obviously threatened by it.

There is no appeasement or placation that can satisfy radical Islamism. Until America realizes that our way of life is endangered by the growing radical threat of jihadists, we will be fighting with two hands behind our back.

How does one define radical Islamists? Today’s flavor of the day is the Sunni Islamic State. However, whether Sunni or Shi’ite, Arab or Persian, radical Islamists should be viewed by the West as sides of the same jihadist coin. We must not be confused by the fact that sometimes they are at each other’s throats as mortal enemies, and sometimes cross sectarian lines to work together against the greater evils, i.e. America, Israel and the West.

The next American president must abandon the idea that there are good and bad radical Islamists. The Sunni Islamic State must be defeated, but the danger of radical Iranian Shi’ite Islamism is more likely to be a greater threat to America and Western interests over the long term.

The Obama administration mistakenly believes that Shi’ite Islamist Iran needs to be embraced as part of the solution against radical Islamism. Nothing could be further from the truth. It also mistakenly embraced the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood as the face of moderate Islamism. American allies like Jordanian King Abdullah knew better, and chastised America by stating that the Muslim Brotherhood is simply a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

Muslim nation-states must, for their own self interest, become the leaders in this war against radical Islamism.

This is anti-Islamist, not anti-Islam. This can only happen if the strategy has the buy-in of the Sunni nation-states, i.e. Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the Gulf States, and includes the Kurds, the Turks and Shi’ites who do not support the Iranian regime. Getting into bed with allies like the Wahabi Sunnis of the Arabian Peninsula is certainly distasteful, but it is necessary for success at this point.

The complexity of this overwhelming grand vision should be self-evident. Different theaters of action against differing radical Islamist groups will require different strategic partners and ever-changing strategies. The tools will include support of allied nation-states, recruitment of dissidents, diplomatic pressure, economic incentives and disincentives, clandestine actions, counterterrorism, effective use of social media, and, yes, military operations, among many other possibilities.

The potential length of this conflict makes this war much more analogous to the Cold War than WWII, but even that analogy is a stretch, as this conflict will be profoundly different. This is not a war of financial resources; it is a battle of power and determination.

As was the case for WWII and the Cold War, the war against radical Islamism is a fight against ideologies that want to destroy our freedoms and our way of life.

The author is the director of MEPIN (Middle East Political and Information Network), a Middle East research analysis read by members of Congress, their foreign policy advisers, members of the Knesset, journalists and organizational leaders.


I will give one Historical fact..

In India, the war was fought on rules and moral.. Then Arabic terrorists strike India, they didn't follow any rule, they use to backstab, they killed women , kids. They destroyed temples, they made Indian Zombies (they converted Indian failth, the new faith ppl started killing there old family member)

The civilized India was not ready for these Turk/Arab/Central Asia Pigs, they lost...

Then came Marathas, They learnt these terrorirts technique, And started winning land from these terrorists..

If you want to fight terrorists, fight they way they are fighting...


Sir,

If you think that your forefathers and mine were terrorists who fought to kick the britsh out of india---then indeed the Palestinians are terrorists.

So by that standard---the americans were also terrorists who kicked out ther british rulers from America---.

But it was absolutely stupid of you to mention me in your comment about isis.



Excuse me, your ancestors never fought against Brits.. When we were about to get independence they broke our country... Name one revolutionary who died in freedom movement. (except Asfaq-ullah-khan who was labeled kaffir since he was with revolution)...


Gandhy supported filthy khilafat movement to appease your ancestors, still they stayed with Jinna ... your ancestors never participated into Indian freedom struggle.
 
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Sir,

If you think that your forefathers and mine were terrorists who fought to kick the britsh out of india---then indeed the Palestinians are terrorists.

So by that standard---the americans were also terrorists who kicked out ther british rulers from America---.

But it was absolutely stupid of you to mention me in your comment about isis.
sir, sorry for that got carried away.
but there are other ways to fight for independence.
and AFAIK our forefathers didn't attack any innocent people. and Americans kicked out soldiers not British women and children.
Palestine people should fight for their independence but they should fight with Israel soldiers. attacking innocent people is not right way to fight for independence.
 
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