How Pakistani political and civil society capitulated to Islamic fundamentalists, extremists!

[airmarshal]

I couldn't read the site as I am in Pakistan these days. But seriously, blocking it out here in Pakistan makes no sense when every other sectarian, hatemongering website is open.
Have you never imagined why Qadianis experience no problems in secular countries? Even in India, where Qadianis were born as faith, state see them as Muslims. Does it make things better or worse how they are declared by the state?

It should be banned and the reason for me is this. Ahmedi sect is not Muslim. They believe their spiritual leader to be prophet. Since there will be no prophet from Allah after Mohammed PBUH, this automatically expels them from Islam. Thats why they should not be accepted as Muslim.

Because the law declares them non-Muslim, they should not be allowed to spread their version of 'Islam' which then becomes slander and misrepresentation.

As for them being Pakistanis, their patriotism cant be questioned and shouldn't be. We all should celebrate achievements of Professor Abdus Salaam but if Ahmedis push their agenda of being Musilms alongside this, its not acceptable.

Your point about hate mongering websites is extremely valid. This is Pakistan's hypocrisy. They ban Ahmedi content but not web or print content of hate literature against shias, Ahmedis and other sects or religions. This is unacceptable.

Your point about secular states is not valid as its not a right comparison. Secular states too have religion and here you cant talk about Holocaust. Here you can be gay and its your right, but if I oppose you as gay, I m homophobic. Here you can suck blood out of poor countries in name of free market economy and democracy but no one can malign the west state structure, conditions and black mailing they impose on the rest of the world. The discussion about west is beyond the scope of this thread. Its another topic.

 

[Jf Thunder]

no communism in Pakistan please, we are better of as Islamic Republic of Pakistan

 

[Norwegian]

It should be banned and the reason for me is this. Ahmedi sect is not Muslim. They believe their spiritual leader to be prophet. Since there will be no prophet from Allah after Mohammed PBUH, this automatically expels them from Islam. Thats why they should not be accepted as Muslim.

So its secular government's job to DECIDE whether someone is 'true' christian, hindu, muslim, jew or not on the state level?

Your point about secular states is not valid as its not a right comparison. Secular states too have religion and here you cant talk about Holocaust.

Not sure about Canada, but Holocaust is not treated as holy religion here in Scandinavian countries. There is a fine line between criticizing faith / religion and insulting those who faced mass genocide or survived it.

 

[Pakistani E]

Where did you get that you freak? Why did you call me a fundamentalist? I take exception to this idiot comment of yours. That shady Muslim Times website is more truthful to you than all fact staked against this argument.

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I insist Ahmedis are non Muslim and I stand by my argument I made in my post. Stop spreading your Ahmedi rubbish here.

Please stop tagging me in your posts. I asked you before as well.

AAHAHAHA you call that guy shady? He's more educated than all the Mullahs of the Muslim world put together. You are just bias since you can't accept any thing that comes out of the Ahmadiyya side but lap up to anything that the Mullahs throw at you against Ahmadis.

I insist sarkari Muslims are mostly terrorists sympathisers and intolerant freak. Stop spreading your sarkari muslim rubbish here.

It should be banned and the reason for me is this. Ahmedi sect is not Muslim. They believe their spiritual leader to be prophet. Since there will be no prophet from Allah after Mohammed PBUH, this automatically expels them from Islam. Thats why they should not be accepted as Muslim.

Because the law declares them non-Muslim, they should not be allowed to spread their version of 'Islam' which then becomes slander and misrepresentation.

As for them being Pakistanis, their patriotism cant be questioned and shouldn't be. We all should celebrate achievements of Professor Abdus Salaam but if Ahmedis push their agenda of being Musilms alongside this, its not acceptable.

Your point about hate mongering websites is extremely valid. This is Pakistan's hypocrisy. They ban Ahmedi content but not web or print content of hate literature against shias, Ahmedis and other sects or religions. This is unacceptable.

Your point about secular states is not valid as its not a right comparison. Secular states too have religion and here you cant talk about Holocaust. Here you can be gay and its your right, but if I oppose you as gay, I m homophobic. Here you can suck blood out of poor countries in name of free market economy and democracy but no one can malign the west state structure, conditions and black mailing they impose on the rest of the world. The discussion about west is beyond the scope of this thread. Its another topic.

"Since there will be no prophet from Allah after Mohammed PBUH, this automatically expels them from Islam", but Isa (as) is also a prophet. He's yet to come isn't he? Or you going to take away his prophethood? And don't use that hes an old prophet argument. If he comes after Prophet Muhammad (saw) has passed away, Isa (as) becomes the last prophet. LoL you guys arguments are hilarious, even a 10 years old can see how flawed they are.

 

[WAJsal]

no communism in Pakistan please, we are better of as Islamic Republic of Pakistan

we have seen how that has worked out for us.

"Since there will be no prophet from Allah after Mohammed PBUH, this automatically expels them from Islam", but Isa (as) is also a prophet. He's yet to come isn't he? Or you going to take away his prophethood? And don't use that hes an old prophet argument. If he comes after Prophet Muhammad (saw) has passed away, Isa (as) becomes the last prophet. LoL you guys arguments are hilarious, even a 10 years old can see how flawed they are.

if im not wrong his prophet hood was declared before muhammads,dont really get how this works out.

 

[Pakistani E]

we have seen how that has worked out for us.


if im not wrong his prophet hood was declared before muhammads,dont really get how this works out.

Take this for example, see a group of people start coming in to a room one by one or in groups. Then one of them leaves and declares he's coming back. Then a different person enters the room ane people start saying he's the last person to enter the room but after a while the person who said he will return returns back in to the room. Now tell me, who is the last person to enter the room?

 

[WAJsal]

Take this for example, see a group of people start coming in to a room one by one or in groups. Then one of them leaves and declares he's coming back. Then a different person enters the room ane people start saying he's the last person to enter the room but after a while the person who said he will return returns back in to the room. Now tell me, who is the last person to enter the room?

your perception is some what wrong brother,lets take this hazrat ISA never died in a sense he is still alive in heaven maybe forget about that,anyway his prophet hood was declared before muhammads wasnt it?i dont think it work the way you think it does, its not any people QURAN says that and it also say s ISA is to return,i dont think quran mentions any other prophet coming after muhhamd ,dude you are getting this wrong.consult a genuine scholar,maybe zakir naik's youtube videos will help. gope i could help

 

[he-man]

The 1951 Communist Coup should've gone through.
If it did, Pakistan wouldn't be the political and administrative mess it is today.
And perhaps (very likely, actually) we would still have East Pakistan.

Maybe broken up into 10 pieces like ussr or a pariah state like north korea today..................that was a possible future too.

 

[WAJsal]

Maybe broken up into 10 pieces like ussr or a pariah state like north korea today..................that was a possible future too.

dude if we are going to talk about possible future's there are infinite.

 

[he-man]

dude if we are going to talk about possible future's there are infinite.

I was just implying that communism had a worse future.........

 

[Jf Thunder]

we have seen how that has worked out for us.

because we are not doing it properly

AAHAHAHA you call that guy shady? He's more educated than all the Mullahs of the Muslim world put together. You are just bias since you can't accept any thing that comes out of the Ahmadiyya side but lap up to anything that the Mullahs throw at you against Ahmadis.

I insist sarkari Muslims are mostly terrorists sympathisers and intolerant freak. Stop spreading your sarkari muslim rubbish here.



"Since there will be no prophet from Allah after Mohammed PBUH, this automatically expels them from Islam", but Isa (as) is also a prophet. He's yet to come isn't he? Or you going to take away his prophethood? And don't use that hes an old prophet argument. If he comes after Prophet Muhammad (saw) has passed away, Isa (as) becomes the last prophet. LoL you guys arguments are hilarious, even a 10 years old can see how flawed they are.

look i will answer it if you are willing to understand, it will become entirely clear to you.
Hazrat Isa will not come as a prophet second time, he will come as an "Ummati" of the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W),
he will NOT have the title of Prophet hood, get it?

 

[WAJsal]

because we are not doing it properly

my point exactly

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Sorry for being rude in my earlier post. I misjudged you for being another troll member from Canada. Once again, extremely sorry. I have edited and deleted entire reply. Getting tired and dizzy here on vacation. . I have delete you from my tag-list too. My bad


I couldn't read the site as I am in Pakistan these days. But seriously, blocking it out here in Pakistan makes no sense when every other sectarian, hatemongering website is open.
Have you never imagined why Qadianis experience no problems in secular countries? Even in India, where Qadianis were born as faith, state see them as Muslims. Does it make things better or worse how they are declared by the state?


? Point is simple. Bhutto, despite being in absolute majority succumbed to pressure from the Mullah's and fell prey to their lies about Islam. Even when he appeased them by allowing Qadianis declared as non-Muslim in the constitution of Pakistan, it didn't help save his neck from another Mullah appeaser: Zia ul Haq.

Point is simpler still....... Bhutto as a politician was a rank opportunist. He simply had this feeling that he was "divinely ordained" to rule pakistan. To achieve that he could and did any thing under the sun; including creating the conditions for the bigger half of his country to break-away, which was finally and fully achieved by "half-intelligent" Khakis.
Which was all hunky-dory for Bhutto-mian.

Till...... he came up against the "Master Manipulator" aka The Baap of all manipulators; Zia ul Haq who thought that Heaven had created him to be the "Caliph of all the true believers". The rest (as they say) is now history. With all its fallout and ramifications.....through people and events like "Burkha Mulla", "Mulla Radio", "Mulla Diesel" et.al. and all their doings......the massacre of children in Peshawar being the most recent act in this long-running saga.

But will it be the Final Act? That is the question.

 

[livingdead]

Dude,my attention span is not so good,half way throught I fell a sleep. Make your point, short and fast.



You have nothing absolutely nothing,in common with today's Bangladesh. No matter who was ruling you, they were going to separate.

you got as much common with bangladeshis than a northern Indian with southern. You could be different provinces and part of same country. Geography was the main problem I think.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

you got as much common with bangladeshis than a northern Indian with southern. You could be different provinces and part of same country. Geography was the main problem I think.

Geography was not the main reason. It was Cultural Differences, which got symbolised through Language.